Hey, I was wondering if you guys could help me find a good half stack for my style, a lot of reveiws online seem to have mixed reviews and i dont know much about amplification.

my style consists of lots of melody, lots of soloing, black/death metal style brutallity.

I want something that is at least 120 watts, because I play out. a few channels would be nice. I dont need too many effects.

thanks a lot.

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use the search

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hmm whats your price range? for versitility I would suggest a Hughed & Kettner MKII triamp, or perhaps a laney(VH100R ?)

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price range?
amps you've looked into?
other equipment you have?
combo? halfstack? fullstack?
tube? solid state? digital modeling?
onboard fx?
do you need a "good" clean channel?

sorry to be a pain.. but you need to be more specific...

what made you choose the number 120?

you should probably get used to the wattage not having as much to do with volume as most uninformed people think, thing.

double the wattage does not mean double the volume.

+10db is double the volume. doubling the wattage will give you +3db

say you start with a 10w amp, say the wattage doubles each time, watch how the volume increases...

all other variables the same(speakers, parts, location, ect...):
20w +3db
40w +3db
80w +3db

right there you have +9 db between the 80w one and the 10w one.. normally we just round it off and say a 100w amp is about double the volume of a 10w amp. all other variables the same.

some newbs refuse to except that 100w is only double in volume from a 10w head... but hey...

normally i look for amps that are at least 50 watts, but prefferably about 100w or more, mostly for head room(the amount of volume you get before the poweramp starts to distort/clip out which is desireable in tube amps and crapy for s.s. amps)..... but also because i'm loud as shit and i have no problems diming 100w setups.

you'll get better results as far as being heard goes if you have more speakers...
more speakers move more air, thus more volume... but more importantly. they also project the sound more evenly. so it "seems louder" simply because it's spread out better.

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basic rule of music and sound in general. seems louder = is louder. maybe not in a technical sense, but its all about what is heard.

Get a Randall (cab {RA412 XLT Cyclone} and head {RM100M} CAN $1700)for the price, or get a Mesa (cab {Recto-Triad 4x12} and head {Triple Rectifier} CAN $3900 )for quality.

The randall is nice, and sounds great, but I mean, a triple rectifier?! man, it's worth the extra $1000 you pay over the upper class Randalls, trust me.

Want cheap? like REALLY cheap?

Get a 200w head from Randall (RH200G2) and a Behringer cabinet(Ultrastack BG412H), that rig will cost you no more than CAN $600. I would seriously consider decent distortion, EQ and noise reduction pedals with that though, the randalls head has a weak solid state EQ and distortion, and the Behringer likes to emit peircing feedback, not unlike the sound of 1000 souls writhing in hell.

If you're going to go anything, go with gusto!

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i despise the name Mesa because of people like you








well, not really. but that whole OMG A MESA, I MUST PAY $1000 MORE THAN ITS WORTH thing is annoying

Well, if you've played one, played one live and recorded with one, you would know that it's a very versatile amp, and can basically do anything you wanted. I mean, I love Marshall, but I wouldn't use it for anything other than rock and prog. Mesa isn't like, a god’s tool by any means, but I mean, it’s a good amp and it's worth the price depending on what you’re doing with it.

It's called a point of view, and it was asked for.

Also, I'm sick of people criticizing everything people say. It’s sad that people’s point of view is to belittle people’s opinions.

Oh, I play through a Yamaha VR6000 and a Behringer Ultrastack BG412F, because I don't want to pay the mesa price. My next amp is a Randall. OMG A RANDALL! THE BEST OF EVERNESS!! *shitting my pants*

Ppft.

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+1 dude.

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triple recto... meh, jack of all trades master of none... there are more versitile and better sounding(depending on who you ask).

marshall is a completely different style of amp.. you can't compare them. and you shouldnt underestimate them for metal amps... many of them are awesome for even death metal.


you did come off as one of those "OMG MESA!!! BEST AMPS EVER!!!!!11" dudes.


that shit isnt even on the same level as mesa.. pretty much anything behringer for guitar is pretty crappy, especially those cabs.

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If you have that much money to spend get a Boutique amp

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+1

for $1,700, the triple recto would be pretty far back on my list of amps... no matter what style of music... some engl's and framus's are in that area... and then there is the used gear thing, making bogner,h&k, and some others up for grabs in that range...

you want a real amp that masters every style with authenticity... pickup a h&K triamp.

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I never said it was on the same level, did I? and the cab's don't sound that bad, I also use a Mesa Road King cabinet, and though it has more low end and its a little bit tighter response time wise, I paid $1200 for it and $210 for the Behringer. You just have to get the Behringers with the Jensons, it's a fair bit better than the Behringer 'custom' speakers in other cabinets they have.

You guys are rediculous; you're taking the simplest things and take them way out of context.

Also, the other guitarist in my band plays through a Marshall JCM 800 and I think it sounds like crap for progressive thrash, or death metal, though I have played through a triple lead, and they have balls, but they cost just as much as the Mesa. To me it's like, choosing guitar brands. Sure, Ibanez is 'better' but I still have my Bc Rich, and I'll never get another brand, unless it's from the Moser custom shop… Oh man, that beastmaster… I want one.

Anyways, to end this silly shit, I prefer the Randall amps, because they are affordable and sound great. Marshall, I don't personally like, but you may love them. Peavey, the 5150 (or maybe the 6505's to come) are truly my dream head and cab. Mesa, they are a great amp, but depending on your price range and what kind of sound you like, it comes down to cost vs. tone. Like a Marshall has a signature sound of its own, so does Mesa. Don't buy a Behringer head, they sound like poop. Fender has a head and cabs too, but it's not worth mentioning. There's also the B-52 heads, but I've never tried one, but I hear good things – AND it’s all tube AND cheap.

Cabs do matter just as much, but you really have to go to a local shop and just fuck with what they have and find YOUR sound. Obviously people have mixed emotions about absolutely everything in this place, and you'll always have someone bitching that what someone else suggests is a piece of shit. SO - do what we all do and go try amps and see what you like.

I'm done posting in this thread.

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agreed.

the H&K does have its own tone and it masters every style excellent. I'm pretty sure its the most versatile stand-alone head I ever played. (yes, way more versatile then a Diezel vh4 too)

It kinda depends on how much the guy has to spend but I'de probably pick up a Engl Savage 120 special edition since they're the overyeared model now and go for way cheap. (actually just a few 100 more then the powerball) which is a great deal.
I actually am thinking about selling my Savage 60 and getting a Savage 120 next to my Powerball but not right now with my Ran coming in soon I don't have the spare bucks.

I'll take pics of our practise setup someday, its badass, a Engl Ritchie Blackmore signature top and a Powerball stacked on each other on my flightcase with tuner, it's like a friggin light show shame my savage isn't at the same place, lol.

aaayways, to get back on topic, it depends what the guy has to spend and the styles. reading what he posted, Engl will suit his needs just fine then again so will some other boutique amps and regular amps, but for the price, meh. I'de prolly go Engl or Framus too. the H&K isn't brutal enough for me. (though in general, it's an amp that can do everything and sound great at the same time)

rofl, 5150's are your dream amps?

anyways, you're right about one thing, he should go out and play every amp he can get his hands on. though he's just asking for decent advice here and there's some guys capable enough to do that over here.

I think you where better off not mentioning the b-52 head.

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I want , i want

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man dude, you post really random shit, it's hard for me to understand what you're gettig at and where you'er coming from when you say shit... i hope i broke it down good.

you said:

that's what i was reffering to...

don't get all defensive...

i they all suck as far as i'm concerned.... even the ones with jensens, they arent even good jensens... it's like celestion rocket 50s, they put them in cheapo cabs and use the celestion name to sell them.

if you really have or use a mesa road king cab, then i personally don't see how you can even not talk shit on the behringer.



i don't see it, but okay...



well i don't know why you have turned this into a marshall v.s. mesa thread. there is no "better" it's personal opinion. a tsl 100 costs about as much as a mesa recto yes, i don't see why you mentioned that... you make it sound like you're hinting at the old "why buy that if you can buy a recto for the same cost? because RECTOS ARE BROOTALL!!!1".

the jcm 800's are pretty much the standard in thrash tone, so i strongly disagree at how you can say that they suck at the style of music they set the tone standard for..

and they're not very high gain so of course they arent going to do much for death metal. if you want higher gain go for the jcm 900's and 2000's...

different amps for different tones.


who said ibanez is better? i might hate most bc rich stuff, and i do play ibanez's... but there is no "better" when you generalize a whole brand name. a cheapo ibanez beginer guitar isnt better than a custom shop bc just because it's an ibanez...
that's just silly.


good for you...


they're great amps... i don't really think they're worth being dream amps when you think about all the nice amps that are out ther... but they are really good.

yep...

yep...

pretty random, but i agree...


fender has alot of heads n' cabs and stuff. and they are some of the best amps ever made... just not for metal...

the hotrods and the rocpros are the only ones with decent gain channels... i have a rocpro 1000 head(as a backup/jam/practice amp) and it's pretty fucking mean, as loud as my buddy's 5150(i was shocked to hear a 100w s.s. head that was really that loud), not quite as good sounding, but considering i got it for $150 used it sounds really really good.

they have some good cabs and some bad cabs..

meh... all tube and cheap mean nothing if it sounds bad... those newer ones are kinda like recto ripoffs the way they're laid out and voiced(less mojo and goodness imo). even the way you have to tweak them to get good sounds. at least they got rid of the silly flames.



yep...


um... ok...

if you sit to the side of a cab it's going to be quieter than if you're right in front of it... yet the cab is still producing just as much volume..


totally... though the diazel stuff is amazing... i don't think i would be able to justify dropping that kind of money on an amp when i could get just as good if not better for less.


those things look tastey..


whaaaa??? not brutal enough??? are you joking???

just because you're sporting a powerball doesnt mean that everything else is just weak alright.

seriously though.. the triamp can get brutal as fuck...

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jesus christ that was a long post. i dont understand what you're saying to me though

oh my god!do you need it in brail?!

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LOL GOOD ONE MAN LOLOL!!! YOU GOT ME THERE!!!



heres an idea.... shut the fuck up