Well, it was brought up in one of the other band threads so may as well make a thread of it.

Now....How the fuck do I choose?

Suffo - Overall better riffage
Cryptopsy - Overall better drumming

Well, I just might go with Cryptopsy only because I'm kinda going throgh a bit of a Cryptopsy craze at the moment. A fucking hard desicion though. Ask me in a week and i could well say Suffo.

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I draw the pool!

I must say Suffo, because Frank vocals and Terrance Riffage totally blows any inspired member of Cryptopsy, they are insane!

but i like Cryptopsy a lot too, just for knowing!

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cryptopsy.

havent heard much of either, but i quite like cryptopsy.

I like Lord Worm better, the vox are a bit more varied. Frank shits on the other Cryptopsy vocalists though.

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Now this is tough!

Suffocation edge out Cryptopsy in terms of vocals and riffage but Cryptopsy get the nod when drumming, bass and soloing is considered. I love Suffocation's rhythmic technicality whereas I absolutely adore the guitar technicality of Cryptopsy. I really couldn't choose between the two, but at the moment I've been listening to Suffocation more so I'll say them. Next week it'll be Cryptopsy, guaranteed.

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stupid poll, where is the option both suck??

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suffocation put out consistent albums....suffocation definitely. intersting thing to think about though!

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ha elf...your funny.

Cryptopsy people, hail the Montreal scene!! Suffocation just doesn't give you the wierdness that Cryptopsy can.

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cryptopsy ne day man

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Suffocation. By a long shot. Lord Worm is great, sure, but up against Frank Mullen? Pfft.

Flo is easily better than any of the drummers Suffocation have had - but that doesn't save them. The whole "influential" factor doesn't really come in to play here, either. Where would Cryptopsy be without Suffocation? I'd say where they are today.

AAAAH it's too hard..On solos imo cryptopsy takes them out. On vocals lord worm can take out Mr.Mullen. Suffocation wins in rhythm. Mullen can take out the other vocalist from cryptopsy. In drumming Mr.mounier wins. I have seen suffocation live with dying fetus and it was a great show but i havent seen cryptopsy live. But ill probably go see them March 7 because they're coming to san antonio.

I think Lord Worm mumbles a little too much. I like a death metal vocalist who articulates a little bit. Both bands are real close drum and guitar wise tho.

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It would go, in order of albums, Cryptopsy, Cryptopsy, Cryptopsy, Suffocation, Suffocation, Suffocation, and now that Lord Worm is back, Cryptopsy are currently the better band. However, in the long run, I would give it to Suffocation because they haven't yet let me down.
And MTM, Lord Worm is probably the most versatile death metal vocalist around, or in the top few. Frank Mullen, quite frankly, isn't.

I choose Suffocation. I havent heard much of either of them but of what i have heard i like Suffocation better. Im going to see them in Jan. with cattle decap.

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Cryptopsy

Fucking Cryptopsy. I love Suffocation and all, but Cryptopsy is much more innovated now.

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Me and Trans are gonna go see them next spring.

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Cryptopsy.. nothing from Suffocation really wowed me.

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Cryptopsy. I really missed the Suffocation train at the station. I only listen to them occasionally. Cryptopsy, on the other hand, I listen to more than occasionally.


And Cryptopsy doesn't? I don't think either band's put out less than a good record.

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I'm a riffage kinda man...So Suffo is my pick. I think Cryptopsy's drumming is a lot more godly than Suffocation's but drums just don't tickle my fancy.

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I think Cryptopsy has better riffage. Their songs have more to them, they get my adrenaline pumping more. Worm's strange lyrics being growled like a wild boar and then having random high, ear-piercing screams is also more exciting than Frank's constant monotonous growl. Infact, the one thing that bugs me about Suffocation is that the voice lacks emotion.

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I voted for suffo

Cryptopsy has better lyrics and drums though

I prefer Suffocation's song writing over Cryptopsy's. Agreed that Flo is an excellent drummer and Lord Worm is a phenomenal singer. Cool guys too.

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Fuck, I accidently voted for Suffocation, NOT that it's a bad thing, I've just heard more Cryptopsy. True down I vote Cryptopsy. Badass avatar younguitarist, that movie rules.

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I voted for Suffocation simply because I only have two songs by Cryptopsy. I lost internet (I'm at my dad's house) and haven't been to my local record store in a while.

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I think there's just something about Cryptopsy songs that's more crushing and pummeling than suffo. But I will say Effigy Of The Forgotten beats any Cryptopsy album. It's all so close though......

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Two worthy bands.
I'm going with Suffocation for now.

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Yeah, exactly the same here.

Suffocation, though I prefer Vader over both.

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I think a collaboration is in order:

Frank Mullen - vocals
Jon Levasseur - guitar
Terrence Hobbes - guitar
Eric Langlois - bass
Flo Mournier - drums

The intense riffage of Hobbes, the amazing solos of Levasseur, the insane drumming of Mournier, the slap bass of Langlois and the growl of Mullen. Imagine the delights that this line up would produce!

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WHAAAAAAAA?! Boo.

Yeah, Jon is a good guirtarist, right?

Right now I'm listening to a fuck of a lot more Suffocation, but next week it could be Cryptopsy, then Suffocation again, so I voted the 3rd option. However, maybe I should have voted Suffocation since their arrangements and riff structures have always been much more interesting to my ears.

Coming from a dude with Metallica listed as their first "favorite band"...I'm gonna have to question your interest in either bands. But each to his own...


I wish Cryptopsy would play here.

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Fuck you, I joined years a while back and never bothered to change the profile.

If I do it right now, will you take the hubcap out of your vagina?

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Decapitated own vader and vader influences decapitated

vaders vocals arent that good

Hey, i'm not trying to influence anyone, I just really like thrash, and enjoy the thrashy edge Vader puts into their stuff.

We've all got opinions.

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Judging by my sig, you can tell that I've switched my vote to Cryptopsy.

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Cryptopsy

Man, metalfest kick ass.

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its an easy decision for me. cryptopsy was always one of my favorites in my death metal period. even now they are preffered. suffocation never really grabbed me. now if this were a cryptopsy vs nile thread i would be at a pause.

I'm a riff man and still prefer Cryptopsy.

And Jon is great on the guirtar. He's probably the best guirtarist I can think of. I'm certainly not as good on the guirtar as he is. On the guitar, however, I can definitely play somebody else's parts.

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AHHHH! You forgot about muhammed! but anyway.....

despite the fact that i'm a way better guitarist than drummer, i'm a drums man. I know an album's got fucking sick riffage when I find myself listening to the guitars more than the drums, eg. Onset Of Putrefaction.

This is probably why I also love suffo so much.

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oh so do i

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Hahaha, yeah, I'll edit it. I must've been tired or something!

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I picked Cryptopsy. Unfortunately (for this poll) i started listening to Suffocation AFTER i had already heard and liked Cryptopsy, and other bands of their style. I can enjoy Suffocation, but i'm not really into that style of Death Metal too much anymore.

I've heard 2 albums from each band, and own both, and Cryptopsy's are much better. Lord Worm sucks, the other dude was way cooler. Lord Worm should be in a black metal band.

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which one? mike di salvo or martin lacroix?

I dont know, Im a big fan of Cryptopsy's old stuff and Suffocation's debut and 3rd album, but I would say Cryptopsy for sure. I mean the guitars in Blasphemy Made Flesh and None SO Vile are so fucking groovy and stand out out all those others bands just pounding their strings palm muted. Cryptopsy use weird chords and weird sequence of double picked notes. Suffocation are ok, the solos suck, but the riffs have no brutal influence. Flo is a better drummer than Dave Culross and the other guy they have on pierced. But I heard the new Suffo album and Mike has become really fucking fast, so it is hard to make a decision on drums. As for vocals, Franks vocals were only heavy on the 1st full length, and during Cryp's 1st and 2nd they were really unique, 1st album have this vocals style similar to Tardy but with more agression and depth, and the 2nd album's vocals were deeper. As for the bass, Cryptopsy definately owns.. Alot of Cryptopsy's bass stuff sounds like a groovy style like Primus, i mean just listen to the 2nd track of None So Vile.

Overall, I toook a look at what my opinions are about the 2 bands, and Cryptopsy won. Plus give Cryptopsy some credit, they're canadian, we US citizens bag on them alot.

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Suffocation.

lord worm fukin rules

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Tough one, Cloaca. I went with Cryptopsy. Drums, vocals, bass and riffs is what did it for me. Flo is my favorite drummer, not only is he insanely fast he sings backup as well. I still don't see how anyone thinks Suffocation has better guitar riffs than Cryptopsy, the intro alone of 'Slit Your Guts' impressed me more than anything I heard from Suffocation. But Cryptopsy to me only has one good album, None So Vile because of Lord Worm. Suffocation has many more good releases. Thats why it was tough to decide. I can't wait for the new Cryptopsy album with Worm! I'm going to see them live on my birthday.

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Anyone who says Cryptopsy knows nothing about metal. They've released one good album, wheras Suffocation has only released one bad album. They also pioneered the genre and almost perfected brutal death.

It isn't even close.

been digging real metal music for 3 years, i got 100 cds, 6 dvds, plenty of shirts and hoodies.

but indeed, i must know nothing about metal because i voted for cryptopsy.

arse.

Basically, u have the same opinion as I do about Cryptopsy, just read my last post...
Cryptopsy own, and thats that.

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you listen to Immortal....

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Hey, I still like Immortal (well not their post demonaz shit but anyway).

But dickhead, you give abbath a bad name. How dare you use it when you're such a narrow minded twat?

And who are you to decide that Cryptopsy have only one good album? A mediocre vocalist (DiSalvo) doesn't make an album "not good" when the guitars bass and drums are as crazy as ever.

Regardless, I feel like voting for Suffo now.

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Damn, my opinion's based entirely in ignorance? I better go learn more about metal so I can like Suffocation more! Could you recommend me some books to read so I can be less metal-stupid?

I like Suffocation. Cryptopsy just happen to be much more my thing. It's not as though I listen to Suffocation and think 'Damn, how can anyone think these guys are great?'; I appreciate them, but like other bands better. That's all you can ask of your 'knowledge of metal' to do for a band. Though that's a somewhat stupid attitude to bring in to begin with; nobody needs to prove how metal they are.


Cloaca makes a very good point. 'I love Cryptopsy because they're great at every position, but actually Jon's fingers stopped being able to fret and pick properly and Flo lost his coordination when the vocalist left.' They continued to be very good without Lord Worm, whatever you may think of Disalvo's vocals. The only thing that's problematic about the post-Worm albums is that they may have gone beyond the pale of technicality here and there, and they definitely don't have the same focused catchyness as on None So Vile, but I don't think music should be punished for being complex and difficult to digest. Unless it's not worth having digested.

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Yeah, maybe he's an insecure bastard who deep down thinks he knows fuck all about metal because Nihilist mentioned some grind band that he's never heard of.


I'm not 100% sure what you mean there Credit, are you just substituting what I said about DiSalvo with the likes of Flo or Jon?



*Eats Whisper Supremacy CD* mmm, crunchy! Now that was worth it....

In my books, you can't be too technical unless you just sound like random riffing/soloing (PsyOpus). Cryptopsy gets a little close to this, but doesn't cross the line. This is just my opinion, but if you don't agree you a stupid dumb fuck who knows nothing about metal

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That wasn't really in response to you so much as a parody of people who seem to have written them off for no reason other than the vocals. It makes no sense to me to claim to like the instrumentals and then say that the only thing that made the band any good was the vocalist. If I couldn't learn to appreciate music in spite of the vocals I never would have gotten into metal (just because I like a lot of the vocals now doesn't mean I was huge on growls and screams when I was 12 and first hearing the stuff). I can see why a better vocalist could push an already good record to the next level, but I don't see why a bad vocal performance could drag an otherwise fantastic album down to its level. It's a flaw, yes, but a flaw doesn't obliterate everything when the contributions of the rest of the band are still spot-on. You can say it's not perfect, maybe even not great, but not good? Fuck that.


That's probably the funniest thing I've read all weekend. Or, at least, it made me laugh more than anything else. Isn't Arp occasionally on these forums?

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Gotcha.



I remember when I heard CC for the first time, I said 'Man those guitarists are great, but I can't stand the singing'. Within 3 weeks I loved it. The way I see death metal singing, its not singing, rather a low pitched vocal instrument. Now days i rarely like clean vocals because it sounds like singing and it interrupts and distracts from the instruments, where as the death metal 'vocal instrument' doesn't.
Also, I think a lot of people don't like death metal vox not only because they can't understand the words, but because of the low pitch of the notes used. Their ears are not used to it, and therefore the pitch of every note growled sounds the same. Nowadays I can clearly differentiate(sp?) the pitch of the notes sung by most DM vocalists, whereas 4 years ago I couldn't tell. It's funny, I can't really keep in tune anymore if I want to sing notes the pitch of your average pop song (then again, why would I want to?), but lower octaves are much easier to keep in tune. In my pre-metal days it was the opposite.


Couldn't agree more.


Is he? cool. I like PsyOpus, don't love em' but thery're good. He's obviously an incredibly good guitarist, but it seems like their songs are all about showing the skill, whilst forgetting things like a solid song structure (see Suffo).

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This thread seems to be going well...I wonder how a Napalm Death v. Carcass poll might fare...

I figure in an album or two their songwriting skills should catch up with their technical ability and deliver on its promise. For now they're impressive, but I can't imagine caring too much if I weren't a guitarist myself. I think he posted in a thread about Psyopus tabs, but even he couldn't be bothered to do them. I can't imagine the nightmare of tabbing them out without already knowing what's going on. Or, for that matter, of playing them, seeing as I can't tap with all eight fingers.


Bastard.

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I picked Crryptopsy. Suffocation is good but after i listen to one of their songs a couple of times, it gets boring. Cryptopsy has more to their music.

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I put more emphasis on rhythm guitar than all other parts of the music put together. Now, if you are a person who emphasizes rhythm as much as I do, you have to go with Suffocation. I can even admit that Cryptopsy have better solos and drumming.

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You people HAVE heard Breeding the Spawn, right?

I mean, Cryptopsy started witing music to accompany Flo's drums after None So Vile. Any one with half a brain knows that Suffocation have a much more refined and "mature" writing style than Cryptopsy ever did.

All Cryptopsy do is let Flo go wild, write a few riffs with high treble spikes and throw in a few sweep solos.

Suffocation pioneered a genre. Without Suffocation, Cryptopsy would never exist. You all clearly underestimate the value that they brought to METAL in general.

(Plus, the knock on my name... that's weak. You listen to Black Label Society and I listen to all sorts of great stuff (Fav death metal, for those who doubt my credibility: Immolation, Wormed, Cephalic Carnage, Martyr, Cynic, Suffocation, Lykathea Aflame, The Chasm, Miasma, etc, ad nauseem. So quit talking out your asses and know when to keep your idiotic, baseless insults to yourselves.... Metal newbies.)

Drumming, for sure. Solos... I'm not so sure. Suffocation's solos have a style to them. Very fitting.

I can't argue that (though Nihilist already brought up and dismissed that point). I can say I still prefer listening to Cryptopsy. There are bands with more refined and mature writing styles than Suffocation has that I prefer Suffocation to.


I understand all that. I also understand that, without the NYC hardcore scene, Suffocation wouldn't exist. This doesn't make me a hardcore fan.


Wow. I am impressed. You must be soooooooooooo metal.


I agree. Their lead playing is definitely getting underscored in this thread. It usually complements the riffs very well, and I like that about it.


I'll have to disagree. I'd say I put arguably that much emphasis on rhythm guitar (it's hard to accurately compare an idea like emphasis, but since I do care much more about rhythm guitar than anything else, I'm guessing we're in the same range) and like Cryptopsy more. I'm not sure I can explain why, since I tend to agree with people who prefer Suffocation, but they just never did it for me to that extent. Maybe they will some day, maybe even some day soon, and I'll come back to this thread, assuming it isn't closed or buried, and reverse myself, but for right now I like Cryptopsy from soup to nuts.

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"Whisper Supremacy" and "And Then You'll Beg".

Whoever sang on those albums rules.

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Forum newbies are funny!

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Cryptopsy

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You're kidding... right?

Those were some horrible releases with a TERRIBLE vocalist (DiSalvo).

i like those albums the best too. the riff complexity went through the roof. the earlier stuff was much more basic in comparison.

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i've only heard a bit of suff but i'd still have to say Cryptopsy! i listen to them for hours when i'm suppose to be learning math

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Good girl.... Your're learning....

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DiSalvo isn't the best vocalist (he sounds like he's not good enough to be a hardcore nor a death metal vocalist and resides somewhere inbetween) but the underlying music is astounding in it's complexity and construction. Where Cryptopsy are geniuses is that they never lose their focus amid the technicality and still retain the craftsmanship to reel you in with a good melody.

I still can't choose between the two, but I'm veering towards Cryptopsy this week, mainly because I was listening to And Then You'll Beg on the bus today.

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I also like "Whisper Supremacy" and "And Then You'll Beg"
more than the first two albums.

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Crytopsy, definitely. Superior drumming by Flo. I've yet to hear better.

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Well, the underlying music was an attept to better their previous releases. Those two albums have no soul, they are solely technical pieces to showcase their talents (Flo's in particular, where he does WAY too many hyperblasts).

Artistically and in terms of songwriting, they can't touch None So Vile, or any of Suffocation's material (Save their latest).

Tom Corn and Sean Reinert are two that are better. But Flo is unbelievable.

1) Complex does not equal better if it is in vain.
2) This is not true, their older song structures were complex in their own right... though, staying on topic, they can't come close in terms of complexity to Suffocation (riffing).

Well, as the theme always gets rehashed around here, that's your personal opinion compared to mine.

Both bands have nothing technically on some of the stuff i'm currently listening to, but that don't mean either of these bands aren't good, or that the bands i'm listening to are any better. I liked DiSalvo much more than anything i've ever heard or seen (live) Lord Worm do. He sounds like half of the other bands i've heard in my time, at least DiSalvo had his own sound, which then became the "Montreal" style vocals.

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I see Whisper Supremacy as the natural progression from None So Vile and in turn, And Then You'll Beg as the logical successor to Whisper Supremacy. The last two songs on None So Vile could easily have found their way onto Whisper Supremacy while songs like Emaciate and Cold Hate, Warm Blood (both from WS) could have been accepted as part of And Then You'll Beg.

It's a clear evolution heralded by an increased confidence in the musicianship and songwriting abilty required to meld jazz-like complexity with melodic hooks. To imply the absense of soul on the latter Cryptopsy albums is harsh to say the least. Songs such as Cold Hate, Warm Blood and We Bleed brim with feeling and these are ably supported by the rest of their respective albums.

However, if you don't hear it, what's left to say but 'each to their own'?

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I didn't vote here yet, so I'm going to vote now. Suffocation.

That's a good option, but there's always 'You're ignorant and have bad taste, whereas I'm more metal than a hunk of pig iron' in case 'each to their own' is too rational for you.

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This is too difficult for me u_u...........

cryptopsy, motherfucker. flo is so fucking nuts

You're the man.