He is such a tool, just wanting to get in the papers again. As if killing another human being in cold blood wasnt enough.

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i could really care less, most not like him i dont really care for him personally and the only work i liked from him was hlidsjkalf but i gotta be in the right mood for it which isnt often

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If he was just a regular guy from America or something no one would think his music is that great; people like his music most because he killed a man and burnt down some churches. Thats shock value people. Get with the program.

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He sucks.

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youre wrong. i dont love him because hes from norway. i dont care where the music comes from, its cool that some of the songs are in norwegian. when you listen to his music you arent listening to news reports describing what he did, youre listening to black metal about stars and spirits and that kind of thing. maybe some people just like him because of the press, but i dont and i guarantee no one else here does. i like his fucking music

no one knows the real facts of what happened at eurononymous's house, and never will. i know this thread was intended to be a jab at me, and im not having it. varg's music doesn't appeal to you, fine, but making a thread about it is stupid. youd be pissed if i made a thread like "who here wishes mustaine was dead?"

he didnt die anyways

just because you like simple ass thrash 24/7 doesnt mean that everyone else does, or that other people have to

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simple ass thrash? this coming from a fan of a guy who has a 25 min song with the same 10 seconds keyboard thing playing over and over and over

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the song changes melody and the effects change constantly...but i never really cared for that song. i like what anus said, that his talent kind of imploded on the second half of that album. i think that was on anus, anyways.

and bands like exodus, while good, make it a point to write the same goddamn riff over and over again

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I'm not sticking up for Varg, I hate the cunt but he didn't kill Euronymous in cold blood. By what I've heard it was war and Varg got there before Euro' had a chance. But it's in the past, why carry on going on about something that happened 11 years ago. If fortune tellers are correct, he's gonna be out next year so you will all have a chance to kill him.

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This is just Vargs story; he claimed Euronymous was stealing money from him. I think it's more likely that Varge just started to dislike him him which eventually led to the murder. My thoughts on Varg are this: He is so crazy that he surpasses all requirement for ridicule. Any atrocious crime that he may commit contains motives that are unexplainable. You can’t judge him he’s to crazy. And he’s only getting worse. Who really knows why he killed Euronymous, or why he decided to brake out of prison with a year left on his sentence, or why when found in his mom’s station wagon the car was packed with weapons?
As for his music, I’m a fan (not because of his crimes) but I don’t expect others to be; however I think its wrong to judge musicians by their beliefs, that’s true ignorance everyone’s entitled to their own opinions. No one person’s beliefs are better than another’s (no matter how scientifically improbable).

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tranny, please hit MTM for me....

fucking hell, MTM, you must be very bored. we accept you don't like black metal, but that isnt a reason to go bashing it because youre bored. it really shits me, the intolerance of the other metal genres. and the ignorance, so kreator constantly tremolo picking the open E string is any better than vargs early works that were mostly power chords?

some of his works are fucking beautiful, listen to "hvit lyset tar oss" its a beautiful melodic album which creates mood and atmosphere. "filosofem" is a harder album, still with some better riffs than many old thrash bands.

i'm not dumping on thrash metal, i quite like a few thrash bands like the haunted, slayer, carnal forge, old metallica, kreator and so on, im just frustrated that people are so bloody intolerant.

if this was the old metaltabs where everything was "grim, true and frostbitten" then i would agree with you as i am not into too much black myself. but i like it because its top music, even if it does require a bit of mood first hand.

this thread is absolutely pathetic, unnecessary and uncalled for. close it right now.

I thought that Varg was jealous that Euronymous was controlling the "inner-circle" of black metal bands that went around and burned churches and shit.

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Why dont you go murder some fags so you and Varg can be butt buddies in prision.

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you're an idiot.

as for your comment, i'd really rather not.

I don't know Varg. He has done some bad stuff from what I hear and he changes his views on shit yearly, but he has never effected my life in a good or bad way so I must vote that I could just care less. He is in the control of the Norway justice system now and they will make sure that he serves his time for the crimes he has committed. If he ever gets out, he needs to change his name and move far away so that others, both fans and haters, don't ruin a chance at a new start for him. Someone, perhaps another black metaler, might just try to kill him as to absorb his powers

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soul brings up....oh hell....a logical point!!!

Why does it matter? he never hurt anybody.

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Well I suppose KILLING someone isn't hurting them if they can't feel pain anymore, right?

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Why he should be killed?
Varg was a mastermind of music, he had great talents and gifts, and no-one can't argue with that.
He conducted Black Metal into more polymorphic form, he created very nebulous, melancholic and sad music which still was Black Metal, it wasn't no longer any black-and-white aspect music about Satanism (like these old Speed Black Metal bands, Venom and Hellhammer).
Also his music's structure was new, the songs were very long and those usually got only a few chords, but ingeniously making the music atmospheric and hypnotic by using wistful and slow riffing and repeating same patterns many times, it actually didn't sound any boring, vice versa you could easily listen to a 15 minutes song without noticing that it had been that long.
There are a lot of bands which have taken influences from Burzum's music, some sounds as indentical and some has only slight influences, yet without Burzum I could have predicted that many great bands at nowadays scene wouldn't never been formed.

There are a lot of stories about what happened and I agree that most of them are rumours. I didn't think I was judging him. I do however know how the arguements started and Varg was just a fool (and crazy ). What's this about his Moms station wagon? Are you refering to when he broke out of jail, held a family at gun point (I think) and stole their car? I didn't think he actually had any weapons with him.
I'm also a fan of Burzum and I agree entirely with you on that point. But Varg's beliefs did affect his music and that's why it went down hill in my opinion.

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varg didnt stab euronymous 27 times.. he stabbed him once in the back of the head and the body then fell on broken glass which punctured him , but thats a huge point that is often mis represented in the case of trying to make varg look like a bloodthirsty maniac.

as for the other posts in here, i agree. you should either a)not care or b) care, but not try to make other people hate varg too. if i made a thread that said "EVERYONE LISTEN TO BURZUM HE IS THE MASTERMIND OF BLACK METAL" all the thrash fans would get all pissed off about me trying to ram my taste down their throat. so, i dont, and simply listen to what i like. i dont like bands like anthrax and motley crue but i dont bother trying to stop you.

in terms of black metal varg is king, its that simple, but if you dont belive it, thats fine. go listen to some priest or slayer! be my guest! but you wont ever take away my cds or his music, and even if he DID die, his following would grow. there would be a massive outcry in norway and from groups like the norsk heathen front. so, its best if you let the bastard live off in the hills of norway

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hahahah no he had weapons with him...he had a gps system, weapons, laptop, sniper rifle, tnt, and all sorts of other things. he had literally duffel bags full of weaponry

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Oh, thats all he did? Only stabbed him 2 times? Maybe I will take back everything I said...

Or maybe not.

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I would think that stabbing someone in the back of the head "on purpose" means you're a bloodthirsty maniac. Don't stick up for what the guy's crimes were. He doesn't need your support. He's a grown maniac, I mean, man.

Sure you like his music, that's cool.

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I believe Transient when he says he likes the music. He listens to other weird-ass ambient music and their band members are pretty much nobodys. So I believe him in that respect. Trans does go off a bit about the Norwegian crap a bit, but I believe he likes the music.

The part I could understand is the keyboards. Beautiful, I'm not sure about that. But I'm a fan of Emperor, and I think they are pretty good, so I can understand that part. But Varg's guitar and drum talents? I don't see how I could ever be interested or impressed with that. I'm not saying that Varg isn't technical enough, because a mucician does not have to be real technical to be considered good. Come on, War? That is so lame! It's like an Autograph or a Def Leppard riff or something. And the drums too. They are just too lame to be considered serious. I actually find it funny. And the vocals, jeasus, I thought it was a Marilyn Manson demo or something. I really believe anyone could do that. The vocalist for Brutal Truth practically does the same thing on Extreme Conditions Demand Extreme Responses, and nobody praises him. And his voice doesn't crack as does Varg's. Then there are people who think Varg is a genious. No way. If he was actually a genious, he probably wouldn't be so dumb as to kill someone. Then, he leaves jail, and gets caught 24 hours later. Not very genious-like.

The keyboard/ambient stuff, I could possibly see it, but the guitars/drums, no way. They cancel each other out. On top of that, the vocals. I dont see how anyone who likes metal could possibly think his vocals are even good.




I cant believe this thread is still open, and Nihilist hasn't bitched me out.

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i agree.
..are u tone-def?

hmm.. no, not a genius, because some of his ideas ive read, are just stupid.
i read somewhere that he called the guitar a "nigger's instrument".
the only thing i dont like about Burzum, is the drums.. the guitars are fine in my opinion, goes well with the black metal thing. And as far as the vocals, they're awesome, dispite being distorted, u can still hear the emotion behind them. I think he deserves a little more credit, considering he composed all the instruments, himself.

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oh man, someone who claims to be so smart doesnt even realise that it was invented in medievil eruope so then how the fuck could it be a "niggers instrument"

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Thats just Varg proving how smart he is.

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Yep im an idiot... yet who's the one sticking up for Varg??

His music sucks, and he is a horrible person. Even if he did create one decent song my opinion wouldnt change. I wish he would have pull that shit off in the US cause he would most likely be dead by now..

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Ha he would have been killed or in prison for life.

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burning churches, killing people and having an arsenal of weapons...oh man texas would have a feild day with him theyd kill him 25 times

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yeah he would have.

i love the vocals, i like his voice cracking, i think thats one of the biggest draws about the music. he sounds so panicked and in pain. there are different ways of showing emotion, people like dickinson can sing beautifully and still convery emotion (hallowed be thy name).

as for the drums, yeah, they suck technically. but the music doesnt culross on drums. in fact, even i can play the burzum drums.

and if this was in america varg would have been executed IMMEDIATELY

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Like its hard.

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Nobody tries to defend Scott Ian or Vince Neal on the terms of their personal actions. Though Vince Neal killed a guy and got away with it.

Varg is a terrible person who may or may not have made some important music. I happen to believe he didn't do anything that special (he wrote minimalist music, arguably well, but he didn't invent it, and it would take a bunch of myopic metalheads to believe he did), but if someone wants to like him for his music he may feel free. If someone wants to like him for his personality, or try to defend his crimes, I'll feel that person's an idiot. If the music matters, his personality shouldn't be worshipped; if his personality matters enough that it requires a defense and justification, nobody should claim it's just the music that's playing a role in liking the band. I'm personally willing to judge him on his music if everyone else does, in which case I don't like him much.

As for his dieing: I don't care. The worst he's ever done to me was to make me switch to something else. But an argument about whether or not he should be killed probably should bring up his criminal, not his musical, actions.


Actually, he'd probably be on death row indefinitely. Or possibly have his sentence commuted on the terms of his artistic contributions, like the founder of the Crypts. He'd never get out, but he'd probably still be alive. Unless he somehow alienated the white supremacists by his insistence that their movement is idiotic and not at all connected by him, in which case he'd probably have been killed by a big black man.

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do tell

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He was driving drunk and got into an accident (driving 65 in a 25) as a result that killed his passenger, the drummer from Hanoi Rocks. Usually, if somebody dies as a result of your drunk driving you're given something like criminally negligent manslaughter, and about a decade or so in prison, but he got a $2,600,000 fine and 30 days in prison. The sentence was suspended when Mr. Neil told the judge he'd be wasting his time in prison and should be sent on the road to tour and talk to children about the dangers of drunk driving.

Obviously, he's not happy about having killed a guy, but he still did so and got away with it.

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But thats different. Im sure he was sorry, and IS sorry. And I bet Varg never said a word to euronomous's family.

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No, Varg feels his beliefs justify what he did if, as he claims, Euronymous would have killed him. And Euronymous's family highly opposed De Mysterius's (that's the Mayhem record he was on, right? I can't remember and am on the way out, so I don't have any time to check, sorry) release, as it meant having unrepentant murderer and victim on the same recording. I didn't mean to compare his action to Neil's; I thought of him as opposed to another member from Motley Crue by chance, and then realized that he'd also killed somebody.

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yea thast the album he was "on" after he killed euro, they deleted varge bass tracks from the record (does anyone know if they put new ones on or left it without any bass?)

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yeah. his vocals are not for everyone to listen to, they sound so insane and twisted. but they change, from the horrendous ones of burzum that still send chills down my spine, to slightly softer versions of those of hvit, to a standard growl with distortion on filosofem, to none at all on his ambient ones.

i love them all to death, but i dont respect the fact he uses distortion. some of you misinterpret me, there is a difference between like and respect. i like cradle of filth's vocals but i do not respect dani filth one bit.

anyway, varg was a guitarist and keyboardist, which is why he had very simple drums.

and its lucky he wasnt in any other country than norway, because here he would have probably got life in prison too.

but, his music should still be respected for the purpose of being one-man. he wrote all songs and played all instruments himself (except on aske, samoth i believe played bass)

anyway, i believe that varg should be set free sooner rather than later, because the hub-bub he's creating with the other prisoners hating him so much, it would all just be over.

ok, lets see if I'm getting this right, Varg is/was the only member in a satanic black metal band, Burzum? he playes all the instruments? then how did he manage to do shows? he killed some guy be stabbing him in the head and went to prison and has been there for a long time? now there's a story going on that one of the prison guards killed him? currect?

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i already said, you and i dont know what happened at his appt. it very welll could have been in defense, and you cant prove that otherwise. or it could have been cold blooded murder. either way, varg did what he felt was right, and fought to the death. the better man won, clearly, as euornonymous died a whimpering mess according to varg




he didnt play live shows

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he didnt do shows...thankfully, hes been there for like 15 years(?) and yea theres a rumer going arond that hes dead. someone from norway should call up the prison hes in and find out if hes really dead...then there would be much rejoicing

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but we done know what happend there, he could have died gloriously holding his dildo in hand fending of varg to the last shit stain on it

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*shudders*

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He didn't play shows? Ever? I'm not too into black metal, but how did he get known? Is it just the black metal thing to do just put out records or what?

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yea, alot of the big black metal bands didnt do show or few, i think mayhem(well the old mayhem) only did a couple of shows. emperor only had like 2 tours. i dont think bathory every played any shows either

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ok, thanks for clearing that out for my

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well he couldnt unless he played karaoke anyway.
some of his exposure came from playing in old funeral before burzum. burzum got big when varg was accused of burning fantoft stave church, which he was later acquitted of due to lack of evidence.

soon after, he got convicted of euronymous' murder then was sentenced to the maximum 21 years in jail. he continued to release burzum albums from his prison cell.

he did something in prison in 1999 i think which i cant remember off the top of my head, which restricted him from making albums, so 1999's 'hlidhskjalf' was his last album.

Sorry, it was late and i got my stories mixed up. He hid at his moms place, and then stole a car at gun point.
And i was only stating my thoughts in general, what i said was not foucsed rtowards anyone in particuler.

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he got publicity through his music, that simple. shows arent necessary...darkthrone didnt play shows either.

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He got publicity through his murder and other senseless acts.. which weak minded fools followed upon.

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[QUOTE=ManOwaR]ok, lets see if I'm getting this right, Varg is/was the only member in a satanic black metal band, Burzum? QUOTE]
No, it was based on Pagan beliefs (Odin to be exact), not Satanic like Mayhem and Darkthrone.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HA! In the back in self-defense, you say? Let's have a little lesson in anatomy: the back of the head is the brain stem. This is one of the only ways to kill without pain or noise; however, it requires some planning and a subdued or unsuspecting victim. Either way, that isn't self-defense. Especially if he fell forward into the table (meaning he was definitely taken from behind, which doesn't happen in a fight) that shattered and which caused glass cuts that forensic experts apparently mistook for those caused by a metal blade. If Euronymous died whimpering, he wasn't stabbed in the back of the head. Even if he somehow managed to survive that knife to the brain, whimpering isn't such an ignoble reaction when you've been stabbed in the back by a massive pussy. Christian Vikerne's a pussy and a murderer. You can still like his music, but that doesn't change the fact that he, literally, stabbed a bandmate in the back. Just admit to yourself that you love the music of somebody who happens to be the scum of the earth. It's okay. Wagner was Herr Proto-Nazi, and I'm born jewish, but I can still dig his music. Just remember that liking his music doesn't mean you have to defend him personally. Nobody can legitimately criticize your taste; they can for defending a murderous, racist, pathetic shitbag. He's so sad by now I don't even have to wish him dead.

Why is this thread still open? You're lucky I'm not still Bands mod. Or unlucky. If I were, this would be the last post in this thread.

ok

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That aint completely true, they made some shows back to early 90's. For example a show at Finland in '91. And I have also heard that they have done other gigs in mid 90's at Norway. Though after that they haven't done any gigs.

well, it is now, but when he first started it was satanic related, afterall he did say "were are but slaves to the horned one" Odin never had hornes

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ok lets put this to rest
http://nyctea.ath.cx/misc/Burzum_dead2.jpg
nuff said

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Thank you PST.

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he said that for attention, then regretted it




i meant while he was being fought he was whimpering



i know darkthrone didnt do shows

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For the sake of my sick grandmother, yes.

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You're welcome, BLS.

The latest claim is that when he spoke about Satan he was really speaking about Odin, not in a physical sense but in the sense that Odin is the traditional Adversary for Christianity, as far as they can understand it. Mr. Vikernes claims he's never wavered from one belief, and that part of the reason he broke Burzum up was because of how ignorant his fan base was in assuming he could ever contradict himself.

If Euronymous was stabbed in the back of the head from a seated or standing position (as suggested by his falling forward into the glass table), there was no fighting. A real fight doesn't afford that opportunity, unless Euronymous beat Vikernes so badly he no longer considered him a threat and sat down to watch some tv, only to get stabbed in the back by a cowardly, cowardly Christian. That makes Euronymous pretty dumb, but that's all. Every bit of physical evidence I've ever heard suggests that Varg killed his bandmate in a cowardly manner. The only thing that suggests otherwise is Varg's slightly skewed recounting of it, in which he took Euronymous and his 50 ninja lackeys on single-handedly after they tried to kill him on the other side of Norway, which he walked across barefoot in the middle of winter because Odin gave the power, then took them on in such dramatic style that both the Matrix and Kill Bill ripped it off, because he's a REAL PAGAN MAN! He's so tough, he can stab a seated bandmate in the back! He can break out of a Norwegian prison! He can call guitars and drums nigger instruments! He's got balls the size of two Naglfars and a shaft as thick and long as Yggdrasil!

Hehehe You have such a way with words, Sir. I love it.

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