This is to prove FearFrost wrong...Slayer is far better and will always be better for the rest of eternity.

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Pantera man, PANTERA!!! In their prime they made all bands their bitches.

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slayer is way better than pantera

Pantera were a bunch of sissys! Did you ever see Slayer dress up like women? Point proven.

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gah. Pantera for me.

OFCOURSE!!!

Slayer has like 4 cool songs, the rest sucks. plus they're a bunch of asses, I mean come on they star in Sum 41 video clips

don't make me get the old pictures of them in "show no mercy".

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Pantera hands down.

Ok you Pantera fucks, death metal/black metal would not exist without Slayer..you owe them your lives.

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My vote goes to Slayer. I love Pantera, but Seasons in the Abyss is an incredilble album. Slayer get my vote just because Pantera haven't released an album that to me, holds the same amount of water as Seasons.

Slayer can be hugely overrated though.

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Man, its not about who influenced who, its about who kicks more ass.

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Pantera

Because FearFrost is cooler than you..

and... Pantera's just Pantera man... I mean cmon!

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How would you know?
Pantera turned into DamagePlan.....

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Blame that on phil, and dime.

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Slayer is way cooler than Pantera

This is the most bastardly poll I've ever encountered. I hope everybody who tries to have me make this decision has a nasty run-in with an icepick.

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judging their entire careers, Slayer wins by a landslide.

SLAYER!!!!!

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i concur

lets all now decide whats better, a penguin, or a pint
DECIDE BITCHES

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Slayer by far.

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slayer fucking shit on pantera from a great height. Pantera were good, but thats no competition whatsoever. Pantera turned shit after 4 albums, slayer turned shit (well, not that shit) after 8.

SLAYER!!!!!!! Far superior band, influence...so much of their (Pantera) stuff after CFH was just heavy for the sake of heavy and sounded idiodic.

actually, black metal would not exist without Venom.

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That and the inner circle.

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But Slayer still did play a significant role in the development of those styles. And another point, after songs like "Angel of Death" and "Necrophobic", there were dozen's of bands running to their medical dictionaries to write their lyrics. With Pantera, you had bands running around replacing lyrics with poetic hissy fits using "fuck" and "shit" instead of intelligent words thus contributing to the notion that metal is juvenile music (not that it already wasn't).

Well maybe, but I think Death influenced death metal more. This may not be the reason, but its called death metal not slayer metal. But thats just me talking, it may not be the reason why death metal is called death metal.

As for Slayer and Pantera, Pantera by far. To me, anyone can do what Tom does. His vocals to me are nothing special and I can't hear his bass at all. As for Pantera, Phil is a much better singer. He actually is a talented singer, he has variety in his vocals. And Dimebag could kick Kerry Kings ass as far as guitar goes. Rex is a much better bassist than Tom. As far as drums, it could go either way.

Oh, and about that whole because of Slayer death metal/black metal would not exist comment, By Demons Be Driven by Pantera sounds more like death metal than anything Slayer ever did. Not saying that Pantera ever really influenced any death metal, just saying Pantera kicks ass!

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it's something like this if i remember correctly:

punk > thrash (started with Overkill doing punk covers) > death metal (started with Possessed)

from Possessed onwards, we all know what happened.

Maybe, but if you read closely I said Death influenced death metal more than Slayer. I never said Death started death. But they probally did, I never put much though in to it. Did I mention this is my opinion, don't take me serious.

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Either way, Slayer is kicking Pantera's ass in this poll. Yea!

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That maybe so, but about 90% of the world's population believes there is a higher power beyond all we know. Just because a lot of people believe in something doesn't mean its right. Ouch! How do you like that Bitch! j/k

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Although, Slayer are still recording... so that puts them just a tad abover Pantera, who were still fucking geniouses.

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hmmm.
1988:
slayer - south of heaven. my favourite slayer album.
pantera - power metal. enough said.

slayer has my vote

Pantera? PANTERA? Git fucked. Slayer are far supreme.

GOD DAMMIT, PENGUINS OR BEER, PICK NOW MOTHER FUCERS!

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SLAYER YOU MOTHERFUCKERS! SLAYER!

I mean, nobody has to make a choice here. Slayer is the only choice. This whole poll should have looked like this:
Choice 1: Slayer
Choice 2: SLAYERRRR!!!!
Choice 3: Slayer, motherfucker, Slayer.
Choice 4: All of the above.

Slayer, even in their later stages, after went past their prime still made good songs. Pantera are okay to me, but no Pantera song ever made me as pumped as a Slayer song.

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Those pictures, as horrendously cheesy are they are (I have one on my bedroom wall), don't even come CLOSE to pictures I could break out of Metal Magic/Projects in the Jungle era Pantera. Diamond Darrell? What the fuck?

Obviously Slayer, Pantera don't even come close. Well, unless you are comparing Vulgar Display of Power/Far Beyond Driven with nu-Slayer, then I'd have to give Pantera the nod. At their respective primes, nod goes to Slayer. Overall, still goes to Slayer.

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It's virtually impossible not to give the nod to Slayer, and if Slayer doesn't win this will be a travesty. But I refuse to definitively choose between the two, so I'm not voting.

Of course, if you let in Pantera's first three records, the fight's stopped before the weight-in. Put 'Down Below' - and I mean the original, not the self-cover they did with Phil to show their fans, whoever they were at the time, how much better they were - up against 'Chemical Warfare' and it doesn't even resemble a contest.

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Nihilist, Atif, Darko, whoever- check this guy's ip address. I just want to make sure he's not an alter ego of myself.

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Dimebag kicks Kings ass



I'm going to ask a stupid question...

A stupid friend of mine said that the lead singer of Pantera came out of the closet and he's gay...

Is that true

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ha ha, a closet schitsophrenic, eh?

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hey niggles, nice avatar

i didnt put down that cowboys from hell is a fucken awesome album, doesnt match seasons in the abyss though.

no he actually doesnt kick kings arse.....

haha, that doesnt sound like something phil would do. funny if he did though cos then it would contradict everything he has said over the years. plus its him so his stoned speech would be hilarious.

i only dig Reign in Blood by Slayer, the rest of their stuff i deem to be pretty mediocre.

All of their songs have solos that are mostly shitty; mediocre at best. Kerry's not a good improviser, he's only sat down and really written one on like a few songs. Dimebag owns in that area; hands down.

Sure, they have written some classic riffs and have had an influence on alot of bands, but alot of their stuff on an album sound similar to each other: the solos, the verse sections (look at the old RTT thread where i matched the verse sections of Raining Blood and Angel of Death...they even had the exact same tempo).
You might say that Slayer is heavier than Pantera.....but that depends on your definition of "heavy"
To me, Slayer is overrated.
Plus, i find Vinnie's drumming to be more creative, and i like Phil's voice better, so that's why my vote went to Pantera.

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OK, you say Death invented Death metal.....who the fuck do you think Death were influenced by??

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Sure, you could probably say that Pantera are better musicians but in my eyes they don't come close to Slayer as a band. My evidence consists of three words: Reign In Blood. Nothing that Pantera have put out can even come close to the sheer ferocity, speed and ability to send shivers down your spine that this album possesses.

Fair enough, Slayer have waned in recent years but I'd still rather listen to Divine Intervention or South Of Heaven or Seasons In The Abyss than any Pantera record. Oh by the way, I like Pantera - just not enough to take them over Slayer.

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black metal sucks anyway.

slayer has only a couple of cool songs.

pantera has shitloads.

Folks, say no more.

Dimebag doesn't kick King's ass. He's a better guitarist but half of what makes him distinct is distilled Kerry King undisciplined craziness. And why's everyone forgetting about Jeff Hanneman? King's not Slayer's only guitarist; he's not even their best one. Leads have never really been the major Slayer appeal, but if they're to be discussed you might as well not tie a hand behind their back.

No, Phil has not come out. The last time I checked he was married to some bluesy folk singer - female, mind you - from New Orleans. The claim that he's gay is probably a residual of some anti-Pantera website. I think it would be funnier than when Halford came out, as Pantera fans are generally much more intolerant than Judas Priest fans. I don't know definitively, but I've no reason to think he's gay.

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maybe.

but Dime's solo's sound good.

King's solo's sound like he's having a seizure or something

True. He got better for Seasons in the Abyss - he took lessons - but he does make his guitar sound like it's receiving last rites.

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Well, maybe Dimebag was better than King or Hanneman doing solo's, but anyways, Where's Pantera now?... Slayer still's reign in blood!!!!

I read a post by King on the Slayer web site where he said that Dime and him are really good friends and jam well together. One day they would like to start a project together. Now that would kick ass! A slayer/pantera born album

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Yeah, they're pretty clearly friends. I doubt every project I hear Dime might eventually do, though. I remember Zakk Wylde was supposed to have a track with Dimebag for the past few years, but nothing yet.

I keep thinking of Kerry's random attacks on other lead players when we discuss his leads here.

Shit, it seems they did a track on the Damageplan album, so I retract that statement.

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SLAYER!

I like both Dimes, Kerrys and Jeffs solos but theres something crazy about Kerry&Jeffs that make go me WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

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we (power metal fans) are always ready for stuff like that.

I agree black metal sucks, but that's not the point.

Slayer only has a couple of cool songs? Oh right, Pantera is full of hits.

I'm not even a fan of Pantera.

And to Fearfrost....I hate to say I told ya so...

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If I was bored and felt like hearing something cool, I'd pick Slayer over Pantera. So here's another vote for Slayer you FUckfrost with your pretty long hair...kidding BTW... I agree with most here to say that Pantera has the best solos but that doesn't come close to Slayer riffage. Jeff & Kerry blow Pantera away with their downpicking specialty. Also Pantera in my eyes appeal to the teenager who thinks Pantera is god, as for Slayer, who appeals to everyone else.

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Slayer. Although I don't have any of their cds and only one of Panteras, the music vid's of slayer are awesome. I love live performance music videos better than those stupid theming ones. Slayer is like the Birth mother of Death metal. Not saying they are a bunch of girls, but I hope I got my point across.

Your picking Slayer because of the Music Videos? Why don't you just leave and never come back.

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Pantera as a whole is a MUCH better band.

Slayer = same fuckign fast paced down picked song.. with satanic lyrics such by a christian.

Pantera = a variety of song.. fast shit like Fucking Hostile, slow masterpeices like Cemetary Gates. With excellent vocals, far better lyrics, and better solos.

If Slayer ever thinks outside of the box and tries to change things up than maybe me opinion will change, but until they release a song that can compete with Cemetary Gates or Hollow than my opinion remains the same.

Oh... and just to make all you planning to flame me, i still like slayer and always will, but will also ALWAYS get tried of them, unlike Pantera who i can listen to nonstop.

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Right. I couldn't believe how amazingly fast songs like 'South of Heaven,' 'Dead Skin Mask,' 'Seasons in the Abyss,' and 'Divine Intervention' are. Absolute blazing speed there.

If I were going to be unfair and one-sided, I could leave out any Pantera songs that disagreed with my thesis - as we've seen some people do - and say they just played the same down-tuned, percussive angry songs over and over. It's one thing to have an opinion as to who is better or more diverse, it's quite another to say something easily proven false.

Of course, Pantera did show themselves to be more diverse and willing to experiment than Slayer, but just because Slayer experiment less than Pantera doesn't mean we received the same song from them over and over.



I burn out on both of them. I burn out on everybody, no matter how good or diverse; they've all got their 'things,' and after a while you need somebody else's.

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I personally like Pantera better, just because i've been listening to them more often then Slayer.

Kerry King is a fucking awful lead player. Horrible. Henneman is better, but overall, (With a few exceptions, namely the solo in Seasons) Slayer's solo's really suck.

King's an alright rythm player, but in the end, it seems like alot of the time he gets too sloppy for his own good.

My vote still goes to Slayer though.

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How would you know if Slayer were the "birth mother" of death metal when you don't even have any of their albums? If you don't even have any of their albums your opinion is entirely invalid. Again you are shooting your mouth off about something you have absolutely no knowledge about.

Slayer did not create death metal. Slayer never played death metal. Possessed were the first form of death metal, it evolved into bands like Death and Morbid Angel, and just kept on going. Possessed are the first definite death metal band, in the form of thrash/death. Definitely not Slayer.

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Yeh Kerry is a horrible lead player, he does some cool unique stuff but most of it is the same random whammy wailing. Hannemen actually writes some decent solos.. too bad he can never play them live cause hes too fucking wasted.

I give slayer credit for one thing though..

Chemical Warfare, in 1984 that song must have just wowed people.

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"Haunting the Chapel" was a far better song with a far better solo.

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You really don't like this guy, eh Chris?

Anyway, regarding Slayer and death metal: Of course they didn't create it. There's an influence there, but it's always overstated because Slayer was always the dark bastardchild of the thrash scene. Possessed was the first band that could clearly be called death metal and they didn't come so long after Slayer that you could assume that influence. I'd assume later death metal bands were Slayer fans, but I'd question how much they let Slayer influence them. Slayer is a very distinct band, so much so that I'd assume that's where the complaint about every song sounding the same; Slayer could belch or fart and it would sound like Slayer. If you've ever written a riff with a little too much Slayer on the brain, it is blatant; everybody knows, or would if you didn't scrap it immediately because you don't want to sound like some derivative punk. When I listen to the first generation of death metallers, I don't really hear the overwhelming Slayer influence anyone in their right mind would avoid letting into their music. In a few years, maybe it will be fair game, like the recent bands that can still be creative with riffs taken out of Tony Iommi or Steve Harris's playbooks, but if you really sounded like Slayer immediately after they came out, you couldn't open for them and Venom on a nationwide tour without getting killed.

Oh, and I don't want to hear too much against Kerry's lead ability. Think of how out of place a really incredibly played, technically proficient lead would sound in their songs. Plus, come to think of it, early death metal lead players all had a bit of the KK whammy-wank and trem-pick around to them before they progressed. Maybe that's where I hear the influence.

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Thank You!

Anyways, I would like Slayer better if it wasn't for Tom's dull ass singing. There is nothing great about his vocals at all. Plus I can't hear his bass at all, not like I can Rex. To me, it seems like the only reason I would keep him in the band is because he is insane at headbanging. They do have a good live show, I'll give them that. But I liked Pantera better live. Phil really gets behind the crowd. For me, Pantera all the way.

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I personally like pantera much better. I like Slayer and all that but I listen much more to Pantera.

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My one and only complaint about Slayer.

Listen to BassBehemoth, Slayer owns all your asses.

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Haha, thanks for the moral support. However if everyone listened to me the world would be in unimaginable hell.(even more than it is)


I really don't understand the big hype of Pantera...I mean like some people have said they just don't "wow" me like Slayer does. They just don't have the "vibes" that Slayer brings.

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Exactly, no "vibes" and WAY over-hyped...

Cemetary Gates is real classic, but that was 1990! Not too inovative if you ask me. Pantera is good, but Slayer, I dunno, it's just Slayer. They rules all thyrough the eightes, they rule now. Panters was a jump-on-the-wagon band in metal while Slayer were founding fathers.

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Agreed.

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They both rule. but my vote goes for slayer, cos theyve always stuck to what they wanna do, thrash metal. and there legends.

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I generally don't get along with people who pretend to be knowledgable, especially when their limited knowledge it as blatantly low as his. He's obviously just around to stir trouble, to irritate people. Once I get to the point where it's obvious that somebody is like that, it's easier for me to not get irritated, because I know exactly what's going on.

But yeah, people talking out of their ass about something they don't know anything about, pretending to be knowledgable, spreading false or irrelevant information, that's just one of my pet peeves. That's why I allowed him to irritate me for so long.

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I used to believe all the stories of Kerry King being sloppy, but after seeing Slayer last night I can't understand the basis for considering him so. He didn't miss a single note of a riff or solo and in fact, it was Jeff who missed the odd note, not Kerry.

Slayer have an aura both on stage and on record that Pantera can't even begin to compete with. They are forefathers, legends and true giants of metal. Pantera are good but I wouldn't say they were legendary by any means and they are certainly not pioneers of anything except for radically changing style in order to sell records.

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Thats probably because he would have been less than sober

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True.

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I know what you mean. I think King's style is reckless and crazy but he does it perfect. He means to sound out of control and he hits every note while doing it. Nothing sloppy there imo.

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Angel of Death is kinda like that. The solo in that song is very clean.

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It's funny, I remember the first time I heard songs like "Raining Blood" and "Piece by Piece", it was like a frigging adrenaline rush. My first thoughts were "HOLY SHIT! I HAVE TO GET THAT FUCKING ALBUM!" I also remember when I heard Pantera for the first time. I heard "Walk" and I thought it was cool at the time, but no where NEAR the rush I got from Slayer.

On another note, to call Kerry King sloppy is ridiculous. If you listen to the Live: DOA record, King's playing is spot on as where Hanneman wavers occasionally (although not bad at all).

Have people been calling Kerry sloppy? I thought they just said he sucked (which I also disagree with, but it's a judgment call depending on what standard you use). You can't be sloppy and make it come out right, especially with the level of just plain oddity involved in his whammy bar usage and the precision with which he repeats it live. Though I don't have Decade of Agression or Live Agression around to confirm this.

Wait, I do have Live Undead (actually the first Slayer I ever heard). Hold on a minute, will you? Yeah, he's tight live.

John: have you seen Pantera live? They were pretty good live too, especially considering how drunk. Though a lot of it was the fact that Phil's so damn charismatic he could make the entire crowd pretend it was the mid-80s when metal was metal, men were men, and women were easily confused with hair metal band members. I don't know how it compares to Slayer, though, really, except that Slayer would never stop the show to talk for five or ten minutes at a time.

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You bastard...

You bastard... Haha, just kidding, how was the set?
Back on topic...you had said three words made Slayer better than Pantera, Reign in Blood...you also forgot a few other groups of three words...Show No Mercy, Haunting the Chapel, South of Heaven...

Slayer

Slayer > Pantera

BY A FUCKING MILE.

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Your stance on this is almost a mirror reflection of mine.

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I've not seen Pantera live but my brother has. In terms of shows he said the better gig was Pantera because he got to see Satyricon - he's a black metal fool, y'see. However in a straight Slayer Vs Pantera live show he said Slayer edged it.

SuNioj0369: Their set was great! Check the RTT and the tours forum for a better description.

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I don't know many people who Slayer wouldn't edge out at the least, from what I hear. I do know that opening for Slayer's like being first over the trenches. And even worse if you come onstage and muff the lyrics when Tom's voice goes on him. Bastards. From what I understand, though, Slayer basically let the music speak for itself, and quite eloquently, whereas it was unlikely that Phil could stop his drunken ramblings.

And I do see. I think I would've skipped Satyricon, were it me. Actually, I know I would have. I couldn't have sat through an hour of that. The irony of the situation could sustain me through Slipknot, but I'm really bad with black metal.

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Satyricon aren't too bad. It not like going to see Marduk or Dark Funeral. Emperor and Satyricon aren't ANNOYING Black Metal.

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Were you talking about Transient? You don't seem to like him too much. haha.

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I only moderately like late Emperor and really dislike Satyricon. I think it's Satyr's vocals. Or, if he's the guitarist, then somebody else's vocals. Fenris or something. Never a real name.

Chris was talking about NuMetalBastard.

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these both at one point were my favorite band, now thier not, but i think i like slayer a little more (very close). musicianship wise, they both arnt that great, but dimebag at least has a little bit of talent. i remeber reading kerry king saying something like...

"i dont think of my self as being a realy technicality player, more like a riff creater"

i laughed so hard when a read that.

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I have seen both Pantera and Slayer many times. Pantera always gave a good show and well worth the money, but Slayer... What more do I need to say if you have seen them before. They are pure to their identity and they know what their purpose as a band is. They know they don't need to say a damn thing to the crowd in order to give a great show; just line up a wall of Marshalls, a drum kit, and one light bulb and you have a good Slayer stage setup. Like you said the music really speaks for itself. They will be around 10 more years from now as long as one of them are not involved in an accident, because Slayer is their life.

Phil was a great frontman for Pantera because he could focus all his energy into the vocals and into the crowds wants and mood, plus Pantera was really tight both musically and bandmate wise. Unfortunatly, Phil later alienated himself from the band and lost all care about anything but himself, evident by his egotistical ramblings; which happens with heavy drug use and fame, ei. Axel Rose. The era of Pantera has passed, along with many others, but Slayer still reigns forever more.

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Dude...

You have absolutely no idea how disappointed I am in all of you that have picked Pantera over The Almighty Slayer. How could any of you think ill of Slayer after all they've done for Metal?...

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Pantera sucks.... I never liked em, or anything related to them, so slayer wins. Whats wrong with kings solos? they rule, random whammyage is the best! Rick Rozz did it on leprosy and Massacre, and hes not even as good as king, so random whammyage must be good.

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I like alot of Pantera and think they were an awesome band but Slayer just fuckin rules!

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Slayer lead is far more interesting than pantera. Dime is great, but I find some of his piched harmonics a little unnecessary (eg floods) and he just isnt as energetic as slayer.
KK is not sloppy. i have seen slayer. Jeff is better IMO, I prefer his to KKs.

We can't forget 213 and Scrum. Those were some slow freaking songs.

HOWEVER! When someone brings in the factor of speed between Slayer and Pantera, lets not forget that Pantera has alos had its share of slow songs.

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