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Box Patterns
Does anyone have or links to where I can get all the box patterns to all these metal scales (minor pentatonic, diminished, harmonic minor, etc). Most peeps just show like one box pattern, and I hate transcribing it by hand. It seems easier for me to remember and practice when I can see the all box patterns in a (picture of the whole neck) type thing. Thanks!
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I dont even know what a box pattern is, could someone tell me?!
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2004-10-01, 22:33
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Here's What I Mean... I Just Like Having All The Boxes Up To The 12th Fret, It's Easier For Me To Work It Like That.
A Box Pattern (G Major Scale)
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Not like the stickied Official Scales and Sweeps thread would be any help.. 
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2004-10-03, 02:14
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really the only scales for your "box patterns" are walkdown blues scales for each pattern (depends on key note) and tripletts (wher you accually scare on the corrisponding key in the upper fretts skipping a note bettween every hit in a three hit pattern)/
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haha too late i just got this guitar improv book in the male and i looked through and found out about them
there are only a few different possible ones though
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Couldn't you take any scale and box it out. Like take the scale for 0 - 3 frets (box 1), then like 3 - 5 (box 2), etc. Well I learned the pentatonic blues scale that way with it all laid out on the neck (guitar world few months ago) and it helped enormously! I can actually phrase solo licks out and it sounds good, so I was wanting to span out my scales and get some different sounding licks in my solos.
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Yes, you can. You should look in the scales and sweeps thread. Also, as mentioned numerous times, goto http://www.looknohands.com to the advanced guitar room. You will find interval maps of more chords and scales than you will ever use. Good luck.
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kILLER WEBSITE!!!!, awsome post.
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I was just referring to that there are limited styles of boxes, like squares, rectangles, and a couple trapazoids but thats it.
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So... the root of each box will be the next note in scale? Even though I might strech out 3+ frets for one particular box. I went and printed out the scale pattern for the harmonic minor scale in E. So my first box starts with open top string, then my next box would be where the (2)nd note in the scale starts, and so on?
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I would like to learn the harmonic scales all the way up the neck, but i just know one in F because some of these pages wont let me save it because its gay, keeping me from printing it in my other computer.
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So what is it called when you play the same scale but start on the 2nd note in the scale? Is this similar to modes? I know the modes are just the major scale each played up a step, but the intervals change. This is not the same is it?
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The intervals only change because you're starting from somewhere else. They're still in the same place, you're just counting from somewhere else and in a different key. If you start on the second note of the scale and play through, it's the Dorian mode. Instead of W-W-H-W-W-W-H, the intervals are W-H-W-W-W-H-W. Follow? The intervals are shifted, but there aren't any new notes. If you go to any of the scale sites and keep changing the mode and key so that you keep within the relative modes of the original major scale, you'll notice that the same spots on the guitar neck are always shown.
TheDreadfulHoroscope: If you know it in one key you should be able to move it to others. If you know it in one position it's not too hard to get it going up and down the neck if you take the time to think it all out, but if you already know it up and down the neck in one key there's little easier than extrapolating it to fit the entire neck in any key you'd like.
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So what is it called when you play the same scale but start on the 2nd note in the scale? Is this similar to modes? I know the modes are just the major scale each played up a step, but the intervals change. This is not the same is it?
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That's exactly what modes are, groups of 7 notes (in a diatonic scale, a pentatonic would have 5 etc.). Changing the root note changes the feel of the scale. To find the scales chords play every third interval, so the first chord will be intervals 1-3-5 and the second 2-4-6 etc. There are 7 triads that are unique to every diatonic scale.
Be careful though, don't get stuck thinking the different modes are dependant on the box patterns, be sure to visualize the different modes of the scales as groups of notes rather than patterns that move up and down the fretboard. I suggest learning the scales up and down each string and working out 3 and 4 note per/string patterns respectively. You'll find that there are only a few differnent pattern types and once you work out their fingerings you'll be ripping up the fretboard.
In the scales and sweeps page I posted a breakdown of the harmonic minor (and other scales), it's burried in there somewhere. I suggest that you look at that thread as well. Here are the 'box' patterns, you're looking for. Remember even though the below scale is in D, you can keep the same interval structure and shift it to any key simply by moving the whole thing to a different starting position on the fretboard. For example to play it in C start on the 8th fret instead of the 10th. The numbers in the patterns represent which finger you should use. This is really up to you to figure out, but the numbers I postsed are best for 3 note patterns. 4 note patterns will use 1 finger per/interval, so get used to doing it both ways.
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D Harmonic minor
E Locrian Nat. 6
F Ionian aug
G Dorian #4
A Phrygian major
Bb Lydian #9
C# Alt dom (Mixolydian) bb7
O 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17
e-|--E--|--F|---|--G|---|--A|-Bb|---|---|-C#|--D|---|--E|--F|---|--G|---|--A|
B-|-----|---|-C#|--D|---|--E|--F|---|--G|---|--A|-Bb|---|---|-C#|--D|---|---|
G-|--G--|---|--A|-Bb|---|---|-C#|--D|---|--E|--F|---|--G|---|--A|-Bb|---|---|
D-|--D--|---|--E|--F|---|--G|---|--A|-Bb|---|---|-C#|--D|---|--E|--F|---|--G|
A-|--A--|-Bb|---|---|-C#|--D|---|--E|--F|---|--G|---|--A|-Bb|---|---|-C#|--D|
E-|--E--|--F|---|--G|---|--A|-Bb|---|---|-C#|--D|---|--E|--F|---|--G|---|--A|
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e-|--E--|--F|---|--G|---|--A|-Bb|---|---|-C#|--D|---|--E|
2 b3 4 5 b6 7 R 2
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7 R 2 b3 4 5 b6
G-|--G--|---|--A|-Bb|---|---|-C#|--D|---|--E|--F|---|--G|
4 5 b6 7 R 2 b3 4
D-|--D--|---|--E|--F|---|--G|---|--A|-Bb|---|---|-C#|--D|
R 2 b3 4 5 b6 7 R
A-|--A--|-Bb|---|---|-C#|--D|---|--E|--F|---|--G|---|--A|
5 b6 7 R 2 b3 4
E-|--E--|--F|---|--G|---|--A|-Bb|---|---|-C#|--D|---|--E|
2 b3 4 5 b6 7 R 2
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Hey,
Thanks to both of you. That clears up alot of confusion on modes/scales. But now I pose a new question. What is an inversion? I seen in that scales sticky the pattern for some sweeps, like (G,D,B), and then he does an inversion sweep (I guess it's just like changing modes[in essence-shift up]), where the notes are (D,B,G). Is this in the same fashion on how we can shift the scale up to a different root?
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Inversions are just that, the high note is the root, rather than the low. For example a power chord inverted below.
A normal C5 chord:
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A|-10--
E|--8--
Consists of C, and it's perfect 5th, G. To invert it, we could play it like this:
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D|-10--
A|-10--
E|------
There's the inverted power chord, we're playing G, C, the root is now the high note. It's still a C5 chord, it's just inverted. 
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