To start off I wrote a big post and then my computer fucked up..so here I'll try to do it again but not so "detailed."

Don't you think it's ridiculous that the Republican National Convention is held in Manhattan, capitalizing on the 9/11 spectrum. Tens of thousands are protesting against Bush, marching throughout the streets. Christ America, why don't you just have another Civil War?

Another another thing, I think, as 99% of the people here do, that Dubya is a complete moron..but is John Kerry the definative candidate? I mean, it's just voting for the lesser evil.(For Example Canada's last election, we voted either for a Bush loving maniac that wants us to go to war..or the fat, nervous looking goon that doesn't know where the taxpayer's $250 million went(He was the Finance Minister for several years)...and the fat goon won with a minority goverment.

I mean Canada has a few other parties they could vote for, but they'll never win because people are afraid of change. America has the same problem but it's basically one or the other...

From Dictionary.com "democracy -
Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.

A political or social unit that has such a government.

The common people, considered as the primary source of political power.
Majority rule.

The principles of social equality and respect for the individual within a community.


Comments, Suggestions

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Don't blame me I VOTED GREEN!!!

But, yes if i was an american I would vote nader, but remeber one thing not all americans vote, but i think australia does something like "if you dont vote you get a find" i could be wrong but i know some country does that.

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I didn't vote, I was way too fucking sick, but I would have voted NDP(New Democratic Party), because they're the only party that seem to actually care about people. I mean you vote for the best liar, but I do beleive there is some good is a small group of politicans.


For example, My dad's girlfriend has a 16 year old blind son....and there was this municipal meeting a while back about disabled people living here and whatnot, and it was open so that that the local politicans(MLAs) could join, and only 2 did..they were both NDP.

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Your not american... why care?

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id vote bush to spite the liberal whiny kids

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ha, except that a smart American realizes that there is no democracy, it's a Rebublic, and always has been.

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yeap, everyone has to be enrolled and vote, if you dont it is an $80 fine (i think)

and the problem with america is they are way to libertarian for they own good

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I care because America thinks they control the world.

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Some idiots do take their freedome for granted...

but we didnt kick Britains ass two times for nothing.

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WHAT DID IRAQ DO TO YOU YOU AMERICAN PIG?!

...but seriously, whatever person that votes for Bush is 4 cycles back in the human evolution chart.

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...Bombed our country and tried to start chemical warfare.

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iraq did shit to your country, sadam was too busy repressing his own people to be bothered with you egotistical, self centered american mother fuckers

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yep you got me..

cause i totally support the war.

Hate to break the news but not every american supports the war, just like not every arab is a fucking terrorist.

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I like what transient said about voting for Bush just to spite those anti war whinney kids although I do not like Bush at all. He is an idiot.

If I were to vote for someone, it would be Kerry. But Im not going to vote because, mainly, I dont give a shit about politics.

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I think I support "the war."

!!!Not my personal opinion!!, but in America's defense, "we" have every right to challenge any world power. That's the human way. If you're in power such as America, the challenger is most likely wanting power for "different" reasons. I say different because I don't want to accuse certain people that I would consider to be morally wrong. But that's what I think was going on. BTW, I don't know much about politics mostly because I can't understand most of it, and because I also couldn't care less about it. I don't vote because I don't watch enough CNN for political news and views.

Hey, who can tell me about Kerry? Is he "good." He seems to be on quite a few minds.

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When did I say everyone in America supports the war?

POT, as your initials humourously imply...Iraq did nothing to America, It was Osama Bin Laden behind 9/11 remember? Not Saddam...Gerogre W. Bush got rid of him because he could and because he used to want to kill his father. All these "terrorists" groups are attacking America because they came in and bombed the fuck outta Iraq for no justified reason.


Go watch Farenheit 9/11 over and over again it's a good documentary.(Although I think a bit overdone at points)

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Yeah I remember, but isn't Laden from Iraq? And I'm sure they had some sorta reason to bomb sombody.

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Every day I go to bed, I fall asleep with visions of a twisted, "I've just been shot" sort of look on Dubbya's face. I just hope he catches a bullet. Even if he doesn't get re-elected, I still hope he dies. Worthless piece of shit.

1. He's allowed the economy to go to shit without doing anything about it.
2. He's eliminated jobs and done nothing to create new jobs.
3. He's declared war on a country for no legitimate reason.
4. He's destroying the environment and doing everything in his power to reverse environmental laws put in by Clinton, his own father, and others.

Try reading these-
http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS...lumn.billpress/
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/1120-01.htm
http://www.law-edu.com/Strategic_Ig...1578051096.html

I swear to God, I will throw a party the day he dies, even if it's 20 years from now. He's a cancer and represents everything wrong with America. As far as Kerry, he's okay, but even if he wasn't, there's NO way he could be worse than Bush. Fucking Reagan was better than Bush. We've never had a president this bad, and I hope when it comes to election time, the American people realize this. If they don't, people are even stupider than I originally thought. Fact is, there's a significant amount of Republicans against him.

No, he was beleived to be in Afganistan, the U.S waited to long to search for him, so they gave up..I'm pretty sure he's from Saudi Arabia, but Bush wouldn't attack them because they own 8%(I believe) of America.

The reason he attacked Iraq was to prove he could demolish A regime(just not the right one) and take over their oil production.

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No?

fahrenheit 9/11 is a bit mm, its just to give bush a shit in his pants, I mean its all one way traffic, its made by a guy who hates him, most stuff on it probably is true, but there's no clean president, hell theres no clean person on this fucking earth, I don't like bush but fahrenheit 9/11 is just kinda messed up.

lets bring back clinton

haha, no. Metalhead for president in 2026. ME!!! But seriously, we metalheads are so much smarter than our political offices. Hell, I wouldn't mind if Marilyn Manson was president. Damn.

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Agreed. This is why people in other countries give a shit about who is running the USA - many of his policies are affecting people in a global sense. My feelings on Bush have been made known in other threads (one thread about Bush specifically and another about terrorism) so anybody who wants to know can do a forum search.

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Ok, you completely stepped outta line with that one man.

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He's smarter than Bush...

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He's smarter than Bush?? haha because that says a lot.

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The monkeys that openly masturbate in the zoo are smarter than Bush...

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hahahahahahaha.

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I think we went to Iraq because there have been links of terrorist groups that were allowed to stay and train there, and after 9/11 Dubbya said they would go into any country harboring terror groups and remove them, we went to Afganistan first and removed the Taliban from power, next was Iraq, due to the fact that a few of the hijackers of the planes families recieved $20,000 from Saddam just a few days after 9/11, plus the added threat that the possibly had Weapons of Mass Destruction so we went to find terrorists, and WOMD, that is why we went to Iraq, Someone had to do somthing before somthing bad happend, otherwise we'd get blamed for not doing anything to stop it, so there really is no way of winning over everyone. The reason America did it is cause there isn't anyone else who could/would.

As for the conventions Democratic and Republican they are a bunch of bull shit it's just to build up their candidate, it's just a waste of time.

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Iraq NEVER harbored any terrorist. Maybe some snuck in but Saddam never put a welcome mat on his palace that said "Free Room and Board for Terrorist"

Saudi Arabia is who we shoulda wasted our efforts on.. of course only AFTER Osama was captured.

http://www.unknownnews.net/rumsfeld-saddam.jpg

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actually it is all true. Michael moore has spent thousands to make sure it is all true. (He'd be in deep shit if it wasn't).

Line by line factual backup for farenheit 911

This link has every claim made by Michael moore in farenheit 911 and facts to support every claim.

I've given up argueing about bush. I just hope to fuck you americans go to the polls and vote against bush.
For those of you who don't vote, just do the rest of the world a favor and vote against him. And if you don't vote, you have no right to bitch about your economy, the war, or anything political.

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sorry to double post. But i came across this funny little story.
It's an enjoyable read.

A Day in the Life of Joe Middle-Class Republican


by Donna L. Lavins and Sheldon Cotler

Joe gets up at 6:00 AM to prepare his morning coffee. He fills his pot with good, clean drinking water because some liberal fought for minimum water quality standards. He takes his daily medication with his first swallow of coffee. His medications are safe to take because some liberal fought to insure their safety and that they work as advertised.

All but $10.00 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan. Because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance, now Joe gets it too. He prepares his morning breakfast -- bacon and eggs this day. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

Joe takes his morning shower, reaching for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with every ingredient and the amount that is contains because some liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and the breakdown of its contents. Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some tree-hugging liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air. He walks to the subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work; it saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees. You see, some liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

Joe begins his work day; he has a good job with excellent pay, medicals benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe's employer meets these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed he'll get worker's compensation or an unemployment check because some liberal didn't think he should loose his home to temporary misfortune.

It's noon time. Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the depression.

Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae underwritten mortgage and his below market federal student loan because some stupid liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime.

Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive to dads; his car is among the safest in the world because some liberal fought for car safety standards. He arrives at his boyhood home. He was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans. The house didn't have electric until some big government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification (those rural Republican's would still be sitting in the dark).

Joe is happy to see his dad, who is now retired. Joe's dad lives on Social Security and his union pension because some liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to. After his visit with dad, Joe gets back in his car for the ride home. He turns on a radio talk show. The host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn't tell Joe that his beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees, "We don't need those big government liberals ruining our lives. After all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have."

In the years to come, Joe's life will change dramatically. The U.S. dollar will be devalued as a result of our huge deficit, our living standards demolished, our standing with the world diminished and our social security gone...all because some conservative republican made sure he could take care of himself and his buddies.

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Micheal Moore likes to words things funny. He dosent neccessarily lie... but he leads you to think shit that he didnt really say.

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almost like a politician.....

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It's funny how Dubya sais yesterday in an interview that "the war on terror could not be won"..and today he said it could be won...I mean people actually trust this guy?



It just shows any idiot with the right ammount of money can be the US President.(Although, it could be said with probably every other country leader)

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Wow, Republicans suck.

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hey, i think the current american government has done some good things, our government is getting a free trade agreement seriously considered, sice we are such good friends with you american guys

hoorah for economic prosperity!

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Austrailia is the only continent without an active volcano!

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haha, that made me think of the "Demolition Man", President Schwarzenegger!

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no earthquakes either

just some of the few advantages of being located soley on one tactonic plate

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I like Mr. Moore and some of his points..but as some have indirectly stated; hes a big propagandist.

As for Bush, well... I'm not too big on him. I'm not big on Kerry either, and I don't see them too far off from each other but I would assume hes going to be much better that Bush (in the fact that hes going to try hard not to make the same mistakes). Hell, they both where in Yale's secret society "The Skull and Bones Society" at the same time who are directly linked to the CIA, National Security, and have helped make crucial decisions about this country so its possible they think somewhat alike. But who knows - neither presidential canidates capture my attention this election and alot of them seem to be very anti-bush just for ad populum.

It took my a couple posts to figure out who the hell was "Dubbya", haha.

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you think you have someone bad, look at this classy guy that we have

http://www.pm.gov.au/

he is about 2/3rd the height of George too

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There was a finance minister in Canada called John Mansley! Check the second result from this google search:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%2...8&start=40&sa=N

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Yes you are right johnmansley about John Mansley.


http://idiocracy.us/images/Paul%20Martin.jpeg


Christ, our PM even looks like fat, nervous goon as I described.

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Sorry for the double post, now that link isn't working on my computer....christ it's probably because of the spyware my little bastard cousin put on it the other day...


Anyway, here is another one.

http://www.mun.ca/univrel/gazette/2.../newspage5.html

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Yeah we've been looking for Osama that is why we went to Afganistan he hiding in caves a little hard to find. I bet Saudi Arabia is next they keep saying the can build nuclear bombs within 3 years and they are supressing their people too, so just hold on to your huggies, it's only a matter of time.

And if there aren't terrorists in Iraq who is the Falluja? Who keeps killing soldiers and civilians with suicide bombs? Who is this Al Sadir fucker we keep negotiating with?

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michael moore is the biggest, filthiest, scummiest piece of shit on this planet. hes such a lying and tricky little shit he makes karl rove look like a honest do-gooder

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shut your ass republican. You can't deny the facts

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Agreed. Does anyone watch The Daily Show with John Stewart? It's especially good now that they're covering the convention.

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Transient never ceases to amaze me..

he always knows the dumbest thing to say. FUNNAY!

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I watch it every night

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I wish I could but It's on at 12 here and I get up at 6. 5 hours of sleep is not enough for me.

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The Daily Show is hilarious. I love the reporters.

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Yeah it is. Only I dont watch it enough

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john stewart is a funny guy.

"have you ever seen the back of a twenty dollar bill......ON WEED?. There's a guy in the bushes, RED TEAM GO. " -half baked
hahah.

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John Stewart should run for President. We've never had a Jewish president that I know of.

I've been told that CNN is extremely biased in their reporting although Denny and I watch it about every morning. There is some good stuff on there sometimes. I was told that BBC has the best unbiased world reports of anyone.

I think there's a lot of weaponry over in the Middle East that we haven't uncovered yet. And terrorism is so widespread and scattered it's gonna be a tough nut to crack, but hopefully someday it'll be more peaceful.

After I heard that Bush and Kerry's kids were doing the MTV thing it really made a mockery out of such an elite office. We haven't had a really good president in ages. I don't want to here that he did this and they did that 400 years ago. What the heck are you REALLY gonna do for me now? I'm out of a job due to mismanagement as of the end of October so how am I going to pay for medical bills and all that after? And why didn't the bureaucrats in the upper offices see it when a lowly cook could ! It's BULLSHIT !! ARGGHHHHH!!!

Anybody need a cook/youth leader ??????

There's a spider in a web in the corner of a one dollar bill......

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I like BBC better the CNN but the REALLY funny thing is the BBC always has a article about north korea (online 90% of the time)



CLINTON!!!

And about that cook position, well try my old job they might need you.

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Sorry to hear that Bush's solid economy has failed you LB

Solid my ass...

I agree Clinton was the MAN.

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you could just become some kind of hole help lady and cook/clean for old people

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its shame arnold cant run for pres. hed proabably be pretty good

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i think he has a degree in economics, so he can't be TOTALLY useless

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no hes not i dont live in california but from what i here hes doing a fucking awsome job ruuning the state

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Yeah but he's not what politics consider to be a natural born American. It's tradition, and you know what I mean by tradition.

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Can you name 5 things he lied about? I sure would like to hear it!

Michael Moore kicks too much ass. He's too busy owning us all to make up lies. He certainly doesn't need to lie about Bush, because Bush does a pretty good job of making himself look like a moron. I remember a couple years ago the Daily Show just kind of stopped making fun of him for a while, Jon Stewart said it was just too damn easy. It's pretty easy to make fun of somebody who doesn't even know how to say "nuclear". It's just too bad that he's in charge of the most powerful country in the free world (or in charge of anything for that matter). Otherwise having this guy around would be a blast.

Here's a fun read-
http://maddox.xmission.com/limits_to_freedom.html

Damn, Maddox owns even more than Michael Moore. Not as much as me, though.

Maddox does own ass. But Moore can really push his limits sometime, espically in the propaganda compartments.

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http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fif...renheit-911.htm

http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/bowl...ackoattacko.htm


its not lies, its sneakier than that. its little bits of data left out, or documents edited, that kind of thing

hes a filthy little sneak

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Your a filthy sneak you oversized fish from a galaxy far, far away.

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well hes not considering he was born austria

i just heard on some talk radio today that there trying to get a law passed so that non-american born citizens can run for pres.

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I hate that. So much death to geth that constitution written and today they fucking have changed so much..

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I was watching the news last night and they nailed Cheney so bad. This reporter chick was kind of hinting that he made a huge mistake about the Iraq having weapons of mass destruction, and she goes "well you said here that "it is pretty much confirmed that they have WOMD" and Cheney goes "no no no, absolutley not - I never said that".
And then they rolled a clip of him saying it..it was priceless.

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but the times have changed so much too, some of the lawa shouldnt be changed but some of them should. take the american born to run for pres thing. what if you have someone who is american born but at age 5 moves to europe where he lived for 40 years then he moves back and runs for pres. not knowing much about our situations and culture cause he was gone so long, then you have a immagrent who has been here for 20-30 years and knows all of our situations ect yet he cant run for pres. when that law was passed it was passed cause we were a new country and they didnt want people from england coming over and taking over the country.

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FUNNAY!!!

The upload limit SUCKS.

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dont talk shit about arnold. Or he will make you:

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every time someone brings that up I think of homer.
"It's pronounced nu-clee-er "

yes. Even homer is smarter than bush.

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my post is in the picture!

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I think the ads like spy on what we say lol

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Why? The dude left. Who cares about him anymore?? People who are born and live here forever have the patience to run for Pres. If "he" moved to Europe, it's probably because his family thought America sucked..

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or his parents were in the military and just got stationed over there and didnt get stationd back

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thye must, my adds are talking about overthrowing bush

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I don't doubt that he's a propaganda machine, I was only contesting that he is not a liar, as you stated.



You did say it, although you may not have meant to and it's not really a big deal. The fact of the matter is that Bush is a worthless asshole. The morons campaigning for Bush are legitimate liars, challenging Kerry's impeccable war records. Not only that, but they show clips of him testifying about atrocities that went on in Vietnam, saying that he betrayed them. How did he betray them by talking about how innocent men, women, and children were murdered, raped, and tortured? Anyone who does something like that betrays America by making us all look like monsters to the people whose countries we are in. It's not exactly like he lied- these murders, rapes, and tortures are pretty well known to be facts. Watch Platoon (my all time favorite movie), the director was in Vietnam and based much of the movie (including a rape) on his own experiences there.

alright, glad we cleared that up

ive heard the name platoon before, ill look into it. i read a really good book about a guy who got owned in vietnam and went back to get work at home but he had no legs or something, pablo something i believe it was called

anyways, it was great

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www.jibjab.com has a hilarious clip with an animated Kerry and Bush singing about each other - check it out (Its on the front page).

As far as I'm concered right now its everyone pulling out their rambos and seeing who can slap the other with it the farthest. Both canidates fail to satisfy my political pallet.

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Awesome fucking movie. If you watch the extra's on the dvd, it tells how oliver stone made them all go to veitnam and pretty much re-enact being a soldier. They had to do all the shit you did in nam.

I've got a book I"m gonna start sometime called "baptism". A book by some guy that was in veitnam. Kind of like a "memoir" of nam. Interesting, though fucked time.


And back to the topic, I was watching cnn today while i got my hair cut, and it seems that bush is winning. So for all you people that don't like bush, but still don't wanna vote, or you just don't want to vote. Do the rest of the WORLD a favor and vote against bush. I don't care if it's kerry or nader of fucking anybody. Just please for the world's sake, vote bush the FUCK out.

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GO BUSH!!!
Savior Of The Damned(Fallout quote)

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after seeing the title i couldn't help myself but to spend time and effort making this:

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Did anyone watch the Bush Speech the other night? I only watched some of it because it was sucking me into almost beleiving his pathedic lies.

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no, so tell me about it.

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I saw some of it. I stopped watching it half way through.

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BWAaahahahahaha!

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did anyone see Zell Miller challenge Chris Matthews to a duel?
he was all like, "i demand satisfaction"

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I saw that on The daily show. Damn that was Funny.

And that Bush cant read thign. hahhaha. Owned!

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Was he like "Glove slap, baby, glove slap! Glove slap, shut your big yap!"? If he did, I think I saw that.

Yeah I saw that on TV. christ that Zell Miller guy is a fucking idiot, hes like a complete back stabbing asshole to the Democrats.

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this is funny shit

President Bush

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Yeh thats a good edit, funny as hell.

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Bahaha..I felt embarrased for him.

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lol, the people laughing in the background.

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aahahahahahaha.

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Hahaha, and that's why I made this thread.

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