wut is the highest gain amp under 1000$
i also want a good cob sound ,wut wud be good 4 that?

absolute highest gain for a grand? or best sounding high gain amp for a grand?
two totally different things...
also, are you looking for new or used?
new:
peavey 5150's,5150 II's, and triple x's are all bout a grand...
crate bv120h....
used:
everything above+
mesa recto's
marshall jcm 2000's
ect....

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cob uses lee jackson gp1000 tube preamps, but they arent very versatile. 5150's can get a sound kinda like that but you have to mod them to hell with stuff to get good clean sounds out of them (well to me, someone who knows about electronics can probably do it in 5 minutes)

well i dont need clean ,all i want is a hot good distorted tone

i want the best sounding amp 4 black metal with high distortion

Cob used 5150's on Something Wild i belive.

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lol come on, its the 5150. that thing is a BEAST!!

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is the engl fireball good?
and i also need a cab but i cant spend over 1500$

go out and play them. We cant tell you what you like.

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well im gonna sell my stack 4 800$ and get the fireball 60 watt 4 a grand and my price limit is 1500, wut cab should i get

does anyone find it funny how this guy doesnt mention 1 true BM band in his profile?

but anyways im sure a 5150 half stack would do ya good


what is your current stack?

I like dimmu borgir and immortal and venom
my stack is a p.o.s. line 6 spider 2

the matching Engl with v30's instead of v60's or a marshall 1960' cab. (prolly used then)

used crate bv120h head($300-$400) + used marshall 1960a 4x12 cab ($300-$400)
that would be great for black metal..... lots of gain, tons of volume, sounds pretty dark, and it has reverb, which is kinda a must for necro shit....
and it's all under a grand.



good luck getting $800 out of it..... that's all i have to say about that.....

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^rofl, yeah...

I dunno about the cabs there, but they're more expensive over here I think.. I was lucky getting mine for a good price but they're more about 5-600 here

there isn't a lot of Crate around though, but if you want to keep it cheaper I guess its a good option (I don't think they sound better then Engls, but if you're tr00 black metal that wouldnt mind all too much)

hey,people on ebay r dumbasses

yeh, the people trying to sell line 6 spider II half stacks for $800....

i'd eat testicles if somebody was really stupid enough to buy a used line 6 spider 2 halfstack for 800 bone$. even if it's in mint condish.
you could buy one new for $800....
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7...ase_pid/482248/
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7...ase_pid/482247/
you'd be lucky to get rid of it for $500-$600 shipped. because shipping a halfstack is expensive.

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ill sell it 4 700
because thats all i paid cuz i got a discount

hahahahaha! you wont get that much, trust me.

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remember ebay=dumbasses
ur a dumbass or a noob(me when i bought it) 2 buy 1 so u dont kno the true value

if you were trying to say XdX is dumbass or a noob i feel bad for you.

xdx is awsome,he taught me alot on this website
i was saying that only a dumbass or noob wud buy 1 cuz a crate blue voodoo is much better
i wud never insult xdx w/o a very good reason cuz he knows tons more than me

that made no sense.....

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if you were riding my dick any harder i'd think you were my 3rd nut.

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The 5150 has the most gain, but is too death-metally for me. Probably to much gain. I wouls even PREFER my VTM 120 over the 5150.

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it meas that if u buy a line 6 spider 2 ur either a noob or dumbass and nether of those kno the price value of the amp

i know a few respectable people that chose line 6 stuff...... you're just in denial.... i rarely buy things new anymore because i almost always resale certain peices of gear... hell, i bought my old mesa vtwin used for $300 and sold it for $350..... but if you buy something new for $800, you wont get more than $600 out of it.... trust me.... you'd be lucky to get $500

think about it this way..... "noobs" and "dumb-asses" don't often shop places like ebay for gear.... because they're noobs and dumbasses. they go to guitar center and buy whatever they plug into first.

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yea i know
but if i sell all my old gear ill only need about 500$
is the fireball a good amp 4 palm muting cuz i need alot of bass 4 it
Btw ,which p-up combo has the most bass: emg 81/81, duncan jb/59, or duncan jb/jazz?

you could probably get rid of it for $500....
the fireball is a great amp for palm muting.... a good cab will also be required....
the pickup setup depends on your guitar and your personal taste....
if it's a really nice guitar made of nice woods n such... go passive(jb/59..) imo.... but emg's are really good.... you might like an 85 in the bridge if you want more low end..... and then a 60 in the neck....

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Judging by his grammer and spelling I'd say that this skcoffan person is mildly retarded.

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IF you look hard enough youll find a 5150 for like 300, which is the best amp youll find, and its the best sounding amp, and the closest youll get tp getting the COB sound with out getting alexis 4000 rack set.i got mine for 300 and my marshall 1960a/b cab for 375

fisrt, it's not the best amp you'll find and it certainly isnt the best sounding amp... not even close....
and second.... where the fuck did you get a 5150 for $300 and what's wrong with it? because you' be lucky to find one for under $500........

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I just saw one go one ebay last thursday for $350..

But a 5150 is a prime choice to get COB's sound.

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did it actually go for $350? or was that just the price when you looked at it.... because with alot of things, the price just jumps at the last minute
i would have bought it simply to resale it for more..... like, a couple weeks ago there was this marshall old school four space 50/50 style poweramp on ebay for bin $200... normally they go for like $300 if you're lucky. so i was about to bid on it, but i didn't have all the money from selling some shit yet....
i'm always looking for deals like that.

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Well their was like 10 mins left when i saw that price, and knowing Ebay im sure their was quite a few last minute bids. It was going for so cheap cause it was a bit beat up.

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if you ever get a 5150 or BV 120 head to sell contact me about it

Peavey 5150 II's are $999.95, but thats just the head you would still have to buy the cab and the 5150 cab is like 600 bucks

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i already have a cab though

uummm... okay.... i usually don't buy unnecisary gear unless the price is sooo cheap that i can easily resale it for profit without royally fucking somebody over......
but sure, how much are you looking to spend?

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HA! Who buys new anymore??

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no shit....
somethings need to be bought new though... like tubes,strings,picks,ect.

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Used strings ahahahaha!

"for that vintage, broken in, about to break sound"

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yuck, I bet BLS buys used condoms too, from crackwhores!

anyways, this looks like another offtopic topic, heh.

yeh, maybe if people didnt ask the same god damn questions all the time

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hey, look who started the damn thing though...

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hopefully ill have 1000 canadian dollars at my disposal by christmas

well, rather than going though me.... since your just a canuck and not on the otherside of the planet.... try asking peeps on ebay or something if they'll ship to canada....
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...ssPageName=WDVW
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...ssPageName=WDVW
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...ssPageName=WDVW

if you go on the classifieds on harmonycentral.com there is a dude selling a 5150 for $450 shipped.....

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Thanks man


i was reading some reveiws on the Bv 120 last night and im bit iffy on it
im gonna see if i can convice this really small music store to get a 5150 in so i can give er a try

personally, i've read them myself.... some people are trying to preach about it's a digital amp with tubes to warm the signal or something..... a bunch of bullshit really...
imo the blue voodoo is awesome. but try it yourself, don't let reviews make decisions for you.
but yeh, check the 5150 out too... totally different sound, but good.

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Dont trust Harmony-Central.... ive seen people say that the Blue Voodoo's distortion comes from a chip and not the tubes and other bullshit.

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*nod*

some reviews on harmony central are shit, others aren't, but most of the time you can judge by yourself in the way the review is written...

everytime I put one up I just state clear facts and a bit of opinion, no bullshit marks either. most people are only on harmony central to hype up their own gear.

yeh, alot of the time.... it's a person that is trying to sell a peice of gear so they give it hella good reviews.... even though they really think it sucks.
or, they just bought it five minutes ago and either love it or hate it before they can make good judgement....ect...
the blue voodoo is not only not run by a "chip"... but that would be stupid for crate to make an amp with tubes, because it's more expensive to make a tube amp, so why make the tube amp and then run it with a "chip"? they might as well just make the tube amp with no "chip" and save money and have more people enjoy the tone....
some people on h-c have some pretty stupid ideas.

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If you dont go for the 5150, or a ENGL your stupid, those amps should be up there with the mesa's. The 5150 and most ENGL amps are really good, and all the LANEY amps are great as well, i own a 5150 myself and i got mine for 300, so you could fit in a cab for like another 300$ and still have quite a lot of cash left. And im not sure COB used 5150's for something wild because he said hes had the crazy fucking rack set up for a long long time.

Watch some live performances.

Oh and shutup please, thank you.

5150's and ENGL's arent the only fucking amps that exist. Their's plenty of great amps.

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*cough*more*cough*ingnorance*cough*
i guess i'm stupid because i don't play a 5150 or engl.......
oh well, cuz my jmp-1 wipes it's ass with my guitarist's 5150..... hands down.

alot of engl stuff rock's mesa's socks imo.
laney aint bad either....
but i could list tons of amps just as good if not better than 5150's,engl's,and laneys......

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Haha, chill out mang, i was just saying that if he bought the 5150 he would have gotten the best deal, because the thread is named Highest Gain AMP under 1000$, so i figured that the 5150 has the most gain under 1000, and even under 800, or 600, so i was just helping.... yeah Laneys, ENGLS, and your JMP probably does own my ass with it, but how much did you pay for it?

Im quite partial to solid state stuff... but engls and vht are really nice tube amps. WHY DOESNT ANYONE EVER BRING UP DEIZEL!?!?

because deizel's are like over $3,000 used.... we are mere mortals.... personally there are other amps for less that i would take over a deizel...

vht is rad, i mainly like their poweramps. and engl rocks pretty hard too....

even then though.... there are alot of amps you could get for under $1,000..... hell, you could grab a used mesa rectum-fryer in that price range. or a crate blue voodoo.... or jcm 2000's....or various rack gear.... ect....

jmp-1 preamp.... not JMP head.... two totally different things.
jmp-1's go for about a grand new... i payed less than half of that for mine used.
that's just the preamp though.... not to mention the poweramp,sonic maximizer, compressor/graphic eq/notch filter, hush super C, power condish,rack case.... ect.
but it totally owns......

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yeah, diezels are too expensive... but i hear they extremely stiff and a retubed mark IV could own one in a second. I personally hate the rectifier, the mark 4 or triaxis completely destroy it.

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it's all personal taste.... the rectifier owns the mark IV & triaxis in the gain department... i like it more.
the triaxis was kinda a let down for me... everybody is always like "the triaxis blows the jmp-1, mp-1, and every other midi preamp out of the water!" i played a triaxis and a 2:100 poweramp next to my rack.... and my rig owned. more gain, more appealing tone..... not to say the triaxis is bad cuz it aint, i was just expecting more from a $1,600 preamp.
and i don't know about the whole mark IV compared to the diezel thing.... i'd take the deziel...

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Well yeah, also the mesa power amps are also very saggy sounding. i dont like em. VHT AND ENGL IS THE WAY OF THE DEATH! anyway, the triaxis is nice for what it does, and that is provide versitility. but the 530 whatever and 2/90/2 setup is god. to me, anyway.

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imo mesa poweramps are some of the best.... second only to vht..... and considering the poweramp i was using was an 800w s.s. peavey..... though i also had a 462 sonic maximizer and my msp 1000(eq/comp/notch)......
not even deizel, vht or engl can touch the bogner uberschall in the brutal distortion category.... but thats mostly what it does, the cleans are pretty good but the distortion is the heaviest.....

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mmmm Bogner, when i saw vile they were using Uberschall's and they had the best tone of all night. Its was fucking brutal, but cut through. mmmmmm *bust a nut*

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when i saw vile with c.c. a few months ago i remember only one of them was using a bogner, and it wasnt an uberschall.... it was a shiva or an extacy... still great and capable of brutal tones, but with more flexibility........

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I haven't played the Uberschall, but I did play the Shiva, I must say its a great amp, but the shiva doesn't touch the engl savage in the distortion area.

dont know about the uberschall though, I've only seen it once, and that was when a gay rock band played a show in my pub, but it didn't sound all that happening (must have been the gay settings of the gay guitarist with his gay guitar and gay guitarstrap.)

Why do all these pussy bands use high gain amps, i can name atleast 5 bands that use Dual Recto's.

Lets see

Ashlee Simpsions guitarist
Yellowcard

ok well... when i want to name them i cant. But i swaer every video i see on mtv had a fucking Dual Recto is the back.

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its all the rage...

well... rectos do more than just high gain.... they just got more attention for their high gain from the nu metal wave.....

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and every other wave, I guess its the most popular amp if you're a poser these days.

anyways, they're great amps, I know, but you have to admit they're getting a bit of a side-image somehow.

totally, the trendist amps ever, next to marshall.... not to say they arent great though cuz they are... but there are better, i know it's hard for trend metal kids to except.....

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true, but then again they haven't heard of much else then mesa and marshall most of the time..

I know a guy who bought a recto as his first fucking amp. now whats the fun in that? I'm happy I had something crap to start out on and build my way up, its cool to see your shit improving by the years, but I also think I kinda developed a different feeling for tone then I had when I was a kid.

Mesa's are like the "Popular unpopular amps" if that makes any sense...

Most kids know Marshall, crate, randall.. ya know the shit they see if musicians friend.

Then they hear about Mesa's and they are like "Wow i cna buy this amp and be cool cause noone knows about it"

But seriously all these people are playing clean... why the hell use a Dual Recto for clean... theirs MUCH better choices.

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much cheaper too.

Mesa's are well, well wellll known around here, and they're all the rage with the nu-metal kids. I don't understand where the hell they get their money, we've played a show with two other bands a while back, they had us headlining, so we thought wtf? we didn't even send in a proper demo. well, when we got there it made sense, the opener was a shitty hardcore band and the second band was a bunch of kids sponored by mom and dad, they had an extra van for their gear, rackmount rectifiers, ampeg svt's... and they suuuucked!

its no use if you can't even play random powerchords properly, haha. but that was kinda embarassing for those kids I guess, but we did get to borrow their ampeg svt so it was fine with me (and ofcourse we owned that evening, but I guess thats partially due to the huge ego boost you get if you see the band playing before you fuck up.)

yeah, well, i like simul class 2:90, but other than that i dont like em, but im an el34 guy so that could be why.

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yeah, and they don't use el34's so that doesn't make any fucking sense...

KT88's are the way to go for those amps, 6l6's don't cut it.

i know the simul has 6l6s in it, but it sounds alot better than the 50/50 and 20/20, imo... havent tried the recto power amp if there is one.

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have you actually tried the 20/20 and 50/50? EL84's sound neato compared to 6l6's if you ask me...

and 6l6's don't sound like el34's either... el34's are much warmer, KT88's are the holy grail of tone. shame they cost like 300 bucks for four... and if you get really quality NOS Kt88's, way more...

50/50 has el34s which sounds ok. but the 20/20 is just good volume, not good tone imo.

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mesa's are no good whatsoever unless you are blasting it for gig situations. You can't even practise on them the distortion is so shitty at low levels.

Thats the case with most amps. So unless you know what your talking about the i suggest you dont say much. I dont want XDX to embarras you.

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xdislexicx says:

All amps have bad distortion at low levels silly!!!

PWNED!

how come you gotta bring me into this?

when did i say that? hmmm.... not all amps.... certainly not rectos.....

heres how it goes... on most amps when you turn it all the way to zero it completely sweeps the highs and mids, so you hear a low rumble... turn it up to 1 or 2 usually and the highs and mids are present..... making it possible to get good tones at low volumes. thats where the presence control helps alot... turn it to gigging levels and the settings you had it on will normally need some tweaking to sound good again.... because usually what sounds best with the volume at 2 will not sound best with the volume past 5.

another thing is poweramp distortion.... when you drive an amp hard enough it starts to overdrive.
s.s. break up normally sounds harsh and blocky.... so thats why headroom is more desireable for s.s. amps or amps that depend on cleans that stay clean. for example, i'm currently using an 800w s.s. poweramp, not because i'm insane and i need 800w for my rig, but i'm at gigging levels before my poweramp even thinks about clipping out.. which is very nice...

tube poweramps on the otherhand... when they clip it sounds really smooth and articulate in a musical way... very desirable..... thats why older marshalls like the jcm 800 sound best when they're cranked out to 10. or why people like 50w heads.... it's easier to get powertube saturation at managable levels...

so when you hear gear heads talking about s.s. amps sound good at low volumes but sound worse the more you turn them up....and tube amps sound good at low levels and even better as you turn them up.

newer high gain amps were ment to give good headroom for cleans and tons of preamp gain so people don't require powertube distortion. for example 5150's.... 120w of 6l6 power ...6l6's have good headroom and don't breakup very easily... then the preamp section has an insane amount of gain.....


not the mesa 50/50.... most mesas run 6l6's..... the marshall 50/50 runs el34's and the peavey 50/50 runs el84s.....
i think el34's and el84s sound fucking awesome.....

el34's also have an earlier breakup.... great for poweramp saturation.
kt88's are rad too, cleanest fucking tubes ever... more headroom than 6l6's by far, and they sound much bigger.
i beleive some vht poweramps use them.

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EEEH! *buzzer* WRONG!

the 20/20 has great tone, better then the 50/50 if you ask me. and NOT good volume compared to the 50/50!!!

ok, the tubes break up earlier, but thats because its only 20 watts a side, capiché? either you're saying things the wrong way around or you're full of it.

anyways, yes, KT88's are neato, really expensive though most amps can be modded to handle them, it might be interesting if you're high on KT's.

what i meant is the 20/20 is better for practice because its not as lound and easier to get the "cranked" sound. i dont really dig the 50/50 either though. never heard el84s, i like the tighter bass on el34s though.

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yes you've heard el84s... in the 20/20 you played

on another note:

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...item=3741942825

yes, its mine


and look at the price, hell, its worth driving 2 hours for, thats like super cheapo! and I remember it having loads of gain, its like a mini-savage 120 that goes into tube saturnation a lot earlier.

Would the presence control be like the level control for the distortion channel? If you turn the level all the way up, and the volume just a bit, then you will have the full distortion?

if you've heard the 20/20, you've heard el84's.... the 50/50 has 6l6's not el34s.... and even though the 20/20 is only 2x20w.... that's still loud as fuck... and less headroom like you're saying.... but you could always run out of one side of the 50/50 for a lower power clip... hell... the 20/20 and the 50/50 are about the same price.....

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ok,then. my bad.

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I want a VHT 2/50/2 or 2/90/2

clean boost , lee jackson gp 1000 and mesa 50;50 / 90;90 and that it !

mixu
dead of night

clean boost , lee jackson gp 1000 and mesa 50;50 / 90;90 and that´s it !

mixu
dead of night

Damn fuckin Jesus faggot christ.. this thread is TWO FUCKIN YEARS OLD!
Your even worse than ShreadHead lol !!

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Whaha,stupid cunt.