alright... i'm changing my setup once again.... now that i've sold my tc electronics g-major and bogner/hafler triple giant i have quite a bit of money+ some extra that i've been saving. so i've made some plans to change the current rig.....

current rack(top to bottom):
furman rack rider power condish with lights
rocktron hush super C
ibanez msp1000
bbe sonic maximizer 462
digitech valve fx
marshall jmp-1
peavey cs800s

future rack:
furman rack rider power condish with lights
isp decimator pro rack G*
ibanez msp1000
bbe sonic maximizer 462
tc electronics g force*
shure wireless receiver*
2 space rack drawer.*
shockmounted h&k triamp*

*= not yet owned

i'm soo stoked for the triamp..... a couple problems though.... i need to sell my jmp-1 & hush before i can actually afford most of this.(mainly the triamp)..... so anybody interested let me know.
2nd, once i sell the jmp-1 i will sorta be preampless for a while. so i'll be using the valve fx as a pre(1/2 ).... but once i get this new shit it will all be so worth it.

any suggestions or comments on other stuff i should look into?.... i'm trying to make this the end all be all guitar rig.

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My dream rack I like the new rack, especialy the ISP, but do you think the H&K is better than the JMP-1? And does the new rack have a power amp or is that the H&K. I don't know that muck about H&K.

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oooo Wireless system eh? After seeing Spinal Tap im afraid to use those

Seems like your missing a tuner.. lol

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And Wah! Wheres the Wah Wah?

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could be in his FX loop.

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Very true! xdx, you need to give us the complete system line up in order for us to praise and bash your shit. I like it so far, by like a lot, but I don't think I'm getting the full story without some more detail.

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Ya we need a full picture/step by step walkthrough of that.

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Yeah man, put a picture of your rig, the racks and everything, i would love to see that g force all in the rack.

yeah, pics pics!

the H&K is a great choice, once you got that amp, I don't think you'll need/want anything else for a LONG time.

its expensive though, but if you look at mesa's and shit, its not that expensive at all for what you get.

yeh, the isp is the end all be all of noise suppression. the hush super C is great n' all, don't get me wrong, but it's old technology and the isp will make it not needed.

yes i do think the triamp is better than the jmp-1... once again, i have no real problems with the sounds i get from the jmp-1, but the h&k can do more... it's like having three 2 channel preamps in one head.... each voiced differently.

more than just marshall sounds... but the triamp is still able to give alot of that beefy marshall midrange.

it's a 100w el34 tube head so i don't really see why i'd need another poweramp.

you just have to understand that imo the h&k triamp & duotone are quite possibly the best amps ever made.... the only other amps that i like nearly as much are the bogner uberschall and the framus cobra.


g-force, top of the line multi fx controlled by midicontroller w/ expression pedal(s)

yeh, i used to have one... but i needed cash more than i needed a wireless. so i plan on getting an even nicer one this time around.


g-force will have one....



guitar--->cord or wireless receiver-->one side of the isp-->one side of the bbe--> input of the triamp.
the g force,msp 1000,the other side of the decimator, and the other side of the sonic maximizer will all be in the fx loop of the triamp.
no pedals! just a big midi controller with expression pedals built in..... controlling everything.

i'm going to have it all in one big custom made case eventually. shockmounted head on the bottom, 8-10 space shockmounted rack on the top, and a compartment to the side of the rack from where the head hangs over to put the midi controller.
on wheels of course...

i'm still keeping my beloved cabs... two vintage peavey mark series 4x12's with bass ports each with two v30's and two g12t-75's.


pics can't really take place yet because this is only my planned rig that i will be trying to accuire over the next month or two.... but i'm sure i can get some pics eventually....

the h&k will be purchased used.... they go for like $2,400 new, but the mkI's only go for $1200 ish used.... a lil bit cheaper than a new dual recto and with a much better sound.

the high price of dream tone.

*spam*
for sale! (Pm if interested.)
jmp-1
hush super C
acoustic control bass stack(4x15 cab, not shippable)

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I would like that, but i don't have the cash right now , but how much would you take for it, if I do get some cash, and no one was taken it?

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check your PM's

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SWEET RIG! I'd like that but ill have to stick to what i have for a while

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That is sweet. I like how you use the dual functions of the BBE and ISP. I never thought about running them both into the input and then again through the FX loop. I've never had a rack set like yours either, but thats just genius imo. Pure fuchin genius! It's like a 2 stage noise reduction/sonic maximizer with the everything but the power stage between them! Holyshit that is going to rock! I always thought that dual functions on gear was worthless unless you use it for stereo channels, but I might just be discovering the true use just now. If that's the case than I just learned something new, but I like to think that this is just your ideal. Does everyone with rack systems wire it this way?

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it actually depends on if it's dual mono or just stereo, dual mono as in two separate mono units in one so it can still work in stereo... my hush super c does not let me do that... i tried, and something about not having a buffer or something and the signal does some weird shit and loops up. making some crazy noises n' shit.... like a loud hum and weird screechy noise... when i just use it through one part of my signal it works fine though.
i hope the isp will allow it, other wise the g force has a decent noise suppressor that i can use for the fx loop. no biggy really, but i like rigs that make only the noises i like them too.... so operation noise and horrid uncontrollable feedback have got to go.
some people wire there racks different than others, it depends on what you're trying to do... i prefer a simple preamp+poweramp setup or a head(pretty much the same concept) and then a bunch of goodies in my fx loop.
having a compressor,15 band graphic eq,notch filter,sonic maximizer, ect. in the fx loop makes a seemingly ordinary amp into a fine tuned monster....
but some people like to have fx units in front of the preamp so effects such as wah and compressor are before distortion..... personally i like fx loops.... to each his own.
but midi is the way to go... being able to switch multiple things(preamp+multi fx rack) with one switch is like black magic to me.....
i can go from a clean with chorus, delay, heavy compression, and a harmonizer then tap one switch and it switches to a heavy scoopy distortion, no fx(hehe),and a super tight gate..... it's awesome. i used to have like 12 pedals! i loved the sounds, but to tap dance over that shit sucked. now i'm a midi maniac.

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alright..... my financial situation wont allow the triamp yet
so, i'm going to gor for a peavey classic 50/50 poweramp(or similar) and then either an engl pre(any as long as it's midi controlable) or h&k access. which ever i can get for the right price.

my van just took a shit on me so i'm out a bit more money than i wanted to be....
the jmp-1 & hush are still for sale though.


this is one of the biggest dissapointments i've had in a while, but i'm trying to make the best of it.

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Haha, im going to have to end up doing that. Amp switcher, overdrive pedal, wah, something to control effects, volume pedal, and probably a few more pedals once i get more $.

mm, with the access, you're as close as you can get to a triamp IMO!

in combo with the H&K VS250 poweramp

anyways, I can vouch for the classic series 50/50 poweramps, great shit and they don't affect your tone too much, which is good! its also plently loud and you can hook four cabs onto it plus you can set the omhage for the cabs and it has a lot of recording outs (DI and jacks, even for seperate channels)

no downsides except for the heavy weight...

yeh, i like the classic 50/50....... poweramps are just heavy though. i bet the 50/50 is lighter than my cs800 though..... that thing is 3 spaces and 14" deep.... literally half of the weight in my rack.

so, you're going to get an access right? if you wanna sell you engl jus let me know .

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i highly suggest avoiding it....... you can keep the pedals, put them in a rack drawer or shelf.... buy a dmc ground control and a midi controller.......
might be complicated and cost a bit more money, but in the end it's so convienent.....
or you could sell off all the fx pedals and buy a top notch rack fx unit like a tc g major....
my 2 cents

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I've allready got someone for the Engl I guess, but I think I'm gonna hold on to it for while, the big downside is, its not that versatile, you can dail in any distortion tone but if you wanna change it, it takes me too much time (hell, I'de love 10 custom preset distortion modes!!)

the classic 50/50 weights heaps, compared to marshall el34 poweramps and most ss poweramps I've tried, the 60/60 is just as heavy (its built like a tank though, if you want I'll take a pic of the internals, I have all the covers off in my rack)

damn, oh well.... versatility for me right now is fairly heavy distortion and a decent clean, some sort of less heavy distortion would also be cool, but not required.....between 2-4 channels is perfect for me really.
but presets are nice too.... each of my bands song's i have a handful of presets.....
0-4 for 1 song, then 5-9 for the next song... then bank up, ect.... so easy. i only have to switch a couple things in each song... instead of..."here comes the verse" *quickly turn off the chorus, switch to distortion,take off delay, add phase*..............
very nice....


theres a 520 on ebay bin for $350..... but it's not midi.

i bet it still would be lighter than my cs800... and one less rack space too. oh and it'll sound better....

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I don't know about the CS series, haven't ever lifted one...

anyways, versatility is good, especially if you play in more then one band...

if you're interested, listen here for me doing vocals and bass :

http://www.insideknowledge.net/download/index.php?x=4

the cs800 is an 800w s.s. Pa system poweramp.... it's hella big and powerful... heavy duty shit....
i used to use it to push a pair of 18" yamaha subs for the PA system... i still do, but just out of one side(400w) while i use the other side(400w) to power my guitar gear..... but it's heavy as shit.... i can't lift my rack up high on my own, but it's alright i should getting a classic 50/50 the soon....


i don't really play in more than one band.... a couple side projects, but i'll make whatever work..... it's all kinda requires a good distortion, and decent cleans....


interested in what? the engl? huh? so confused............................
pretty nice mp3 though.

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oh interested in my bass tone thats the H&K recorded through the DI output, I played my Ibanez sr5 limited edition prestige (95-er) on that recording.

I got a reply from someone selling an Access for 400 bucks... it has the optional floorboard and everything, getting pics this weekend, I'll probably go to the guy and check it out for real too.

bastard! we're lucky if they go for under like $500-600 around here.... they're so rare so people jack up the prices just cuz they know theirs is the only one on ebat for that time.... assholes...

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well, its the only one for sale on the net in holland right now, they're pretty rare here too, but you see them every now and then.

I'de like to have the VS250 poweramp with it, but thats even more rare

yeh, the vs250 is pretty nice... but theres better out there imo. i just saw one used somewhere online not to long ago...

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def, you should hook me up with some of the specs and info on your pre... there is one just like it on ebay..... but i want to know more about that specific one.... and how much is one like yours worth?

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no fucking clue, but I bought mine for like 100 bucks, I was lucky though cause I've seen them go for up to 300. (usd)

it has a great engl distortion and warm tubey cleans, but it has a shared eq which is a big downside...

anyways, I'm gonna check out the access soon, I'm getting pics tomorrow so I'll post them up here, seems to have a wicked stageboard too.

r there any engl heads worth getting under 1000$

yeah, read the other thread, I posted a reply here, and please don't post random questions in other threads, especially not mine and xdx's advanced discussion thread

ok sorry

man...... fuck this... having a van sucks.... it eats my money and i need another job soon....
i'm thinking about maybe just keeping the jmp-1 then for awhile and buy the 50/50 for now...
every engl i've played i liked.... but shared eq? damn... busting my balls man. going from a jmp-1 that has like 100 savable presets each that can sound completely different from the next.... then a preamp that has just a distortion channel and clean channel with shared eq..... i'm just not sure it's worth it...2 channels would be alright, but the shared eq makes my woody shrink. maybe i'll go for a 530 if i can find one it's got more options n' stuff...

i'm just hoping some idiot decides to sell an isp decimator pro rack used, cuz i don't feel like spending $250 on a new one.... i'd be lucky to get over $100 out of my hush super C....

i want an access sooo bad..... but it would cost more than what i could get out of my jmp-1 plus i'd have to shell out for a bigger rack case because it's a 2 space pre... after all that i wouldnt be able to affard a new poweramp... damn ass shit fuck bitch!

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I would go for the 530, they're around the same price but harder to find then the 620..

anyways, money money... if the guy takes my offer for the access, I'll get it for cheap (350) so that would be one hell of a deal, plus it has 3 fx loops and an external preamp in (so I can still use my engl for a third distortion channel)

just imagine, 3 distortion channels, two cleans and 128 programmable patches... and a wicked floorboard, man I don't think I can get past 10 programmable distortions lol.

trust me, you wont...... i have several cleans and several dist's..... spread out and used over like 30 presets.....

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yeah, I guess once you get the option to make those presets you actually use them (a lot) more.... I mean, I use like 10 different settings now, everyone pretty different from another, from an '80's ac/dc tone to a modern day metalcore tone, I can get everything out of the engl... though having all that shit digital and with an even better sound, it just sounds to good to be true.

anyways, I hope I can get my hands on the Access, I just got the pic (its too big to upload here though) and it looks like new, including the 12 switch floorboard with digital screen..)