I don't know if this goes here or not, but does anyone have advice on screaming or growling good for metal? I had a growl so good one day my singer asked me to back him up with vocals, but the next day it became a belch.

If anyone has any advice, please post it.

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it's all in the back of your throat, and you've got to put all you've got into it, or it'll sould like you're a pusy with no air.

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You mean for growling? What about straight screaming? They're realy different. I'm goin for a mix between Lamb of God and The Black Dahlia Murder.

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never heard them, but for growling, it's the back of the throat, for straight out screaming, you close off your throat and force air through it... it's difficult, and difficult to explain.....hope this helped

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id like to know how to do it too. take air from the base of your lungs/diaphragm


move your lips to enunciate...kind of purse them for a gorguts style sound

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I just heard on vh-1 that a lot of stars have given up milk products so they'll have clearer voices. So I'd say the opposite may be truefor growling . But make sure you don't hurt your vocal chords. Research first.

To scream properly you have to be a mother. I know. I'm a mother. I have lungs that go on forever.

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Yes, milk products help. Especialy yoghurt, lots of it.
Also, you know how to clear your throut? Grunting is a bit like that "ach-uhm" in your the back of your throut. Try it, and you'll get what I mean.

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DAMN! I didn't expect this much. My growl is back to how it was that one magical day, thanks to your advice. My scream sounds more like a yell (kinda like Every Time I Die but lower). This has all been great and i'm eternally thankful for this.

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for growling: i don't think you should use your throut as you can fuck up your vocal chords, and wont be able to maintain it later in life, you should do it from your diaphram. in reguards to the milk thing, i dont drink milk, but i can pull off a semi decent death voice
to scream, i find that i do that the same as growl, but with a closed throat

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And now we own your soul......

Go do up my dishes and take out the trash.

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Age I say is the only real answer. The older you get, the better it will be. I can yell/scream like a mother fucker, ALMOST(but not near) to Galder. I do have a loud projection, and my problem lies in the singing. I've lately been practicing my ass off teaching myself to sing some IE tunes

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There are two ways to growl - gutual and throaty. Throaty hurts your voice, and gutual is a lot lower pitched and doesn't hurt your voice. If you're female, I sugest gutual and if you're male I sugest throaty.

Angela Gussow's growling comes from her throat, very few women can do that.

definately, dont start worrying about it untill your voice is totally mature

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...I say Do NOT use the throat. It doesn't even sound good. I just thought of good reason too, (yay me!) When you use the throat, you don't use as much air, and you get a softer toilet flush type sound. You need to use the same mucsles you use for regular singing. Use a lot of air, and sing out, don't sing to your chest. But also don't growl towards the cieling cause that's extra work. Just keep your face straight forward.

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Yep, position is everything.

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Does anyone know fleshgrind? i kan sing - uhh, growl- like him. or the same technique is employed in the Dying Fetus deep vocalist.

but i have lots of growls. id REALLY REALLY REALLY like to know how to scream, anyone? like the December guy in 'Umbilical'

i dont use the back of my throat at all. i kind of lossen my cheeks and reverberate a growl through that, pushing my tip of my tongue to inbetween the top canine and the one left of it [left top canine]. thats for my deep growl. it sounds like Cannibal Corpse but a little more distorted? its lower anyway.

but for fleshgrind / low dying fetus vox, i suck air in insteead of blowing out. just like breathing through your mouth.
breathe in and you put a little pressure on the windpipe, it makes a ... fucking wierd noise. push it lower and aply more pressuer, and yoy can master it to become fleshgrind.

Oh, and one of the mods should movw this to that VOCALIST FORUM *hint hint, nudge nudge*

is that going ahead or what

Oh, and for that milk thing said up above - thats for pussies. i used to do that and it just make your voice progressively worse.

just keep doing exactly what your'e doing. it gets better, believe me.

blow your nose too

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i do.

thats nice!

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Actually, my friend told me that not too long ago, when he saw them, he was given the pleasure of doing the voclas on the song "holy pedophile". I wasnt there, but he said it was a fuckin good night. Afterwards he drank, and got this really old "rare" tape signed, which the guitarist said they havnt seen one of in years. That tape used to be mine, but he just sort of claimed it one day I should've gone!

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Man you totally got shitted there! like i need to tell you that though... :P

my growls at the moment sound kinda like older opeth, they were deeper, more like new opeth, but i am messing around with some new things at the moment. i dont really know how to explain how to do it, but fro9m the throat it sounds more raspy, from the chest area, much deeper. for screaming, tensen up your stomach, and force the air out, my screams sound like deep barks, they are kinda cool, wouldnt do them for vox, maybe a few added little things, but not lead vox.

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The longer your hair is, the prettier your voice will be....Take Tobia Sammet for example.

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I sound like cookie monster

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What do you mean tensen up your stomach? You mean like suck in my gut?

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tensen, you know, like someone's gonna ounch you. tense youre abs

and by ounch i mean punch

Ah ha, I see!

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It's really hard to explain, but my advice is to got with what ever hurts your voice less, if it hurts at all. Funny thing is when you have a microphone in front of you you don't have to yell your ass off, you people telling us to 'give it are all' are just setting you up for vocal damage. I've talk to alot of singer for major bands, and all have told me you just gotta learn how to whisper into the mic, and save the way loud voice for the right times.

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Yelling thickens the vocal cords, and that's what these kids want; to get a manly voice.

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how would someone do a burzum style screech?

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What bose said, don't yell your lungs out. You have a mic with a volume knob on the mixer, turn it up but don't scream too loud or else you will fuck up your voice. One of the main things is use your diaphragm. It is possibly the most important part in vox. What you should do is in a lower/quieter(like a whisper) voice and using your diaphragm, try to find the pitch you want, and slowly day by day (I know this sounds boring, but this is a good way) making it louder and louder until you have it basically down. Then - Practice!

Trev from Black Dahlia Murder is the best screamer in my opinion. He also does quite the growl.

just listen to the scream and try to copy it

you will eventually get it

i can do most any type of scream/growl i hear now

yea i deff agree with the imitating part just to get down the way to do it but i also think that its always best to scream in ur natural voice and push on the stomach....or pretend ur about to get punched in it if u will...milk is crap...a little jack daniels on the other hand....

Haha, yeah...

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http://www.musicians.com/forums/sho...3?threadid=3993

I searched "how to scream" on google and got that a long time ago.

Varg is over rated, He is mostly vocal distortion. Im not dissing Burzum, i love Burzum

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Yes, he whoops an extreme amount of ass! That's kind of what I was going for. My scream is sounding lots better and my growls good. Thanks again folks!

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I remember I used to try and scream, but all I did was squeak. Now I mainly growl and my scream is just a higher-pitched growl with basically the same teqhnique(sp).

Oh, and the more you sing "high," the lower your voice will get. In other words, don't practice growling at all. I've found out that it's pointless.

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really?

varg used effects on his vocals? thats a dissapointment. btw, i mean the first three, i know Filosofem he purposely recorded with a terrible mic

i dont know how you could make an affect on his voice to make it so high and scratchy

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My growl got better as I practiced. But then again, I have my 80's hair-metal scream I pull out for laughs sometimes that's high as shit.

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Eh, well mine never got better. After not trying to growl for like 2-3 weeks and just singing high (Helloween, Pantera, and so on), I did a growl bit and it sounded much better than my usual.It was a lot more scratchy and deeper.

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im a grind singer to be, can anyone give me some tips as to who sings from their diaphragm instead of their throat?

some tips for getting a good sound, i find drinking juice before hand helps, especially apple juice. builds up a nice load of mucus in your throat and for me personally, gives me some top growls.

Maybe its just that you hadnt heard yourself sing low for a while so that you forgot how your low vocals sounded so they seemed lower when you started doing them again. Since you were just singing high, you got used to hearing yourself singing high so when you sang lower it sounded much lower.

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dude... heres the best formula to do before you go on to growl/scream.
1 20oz bottle of water (to whet your throat)
1 TableSpoon of honey (to buil mucus)
8oz of yagermeister (to burn the chords and make it a little scratchy... substitute with whatevers there if you cant get yager)

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How about this - Dont do anything to your fucking voice. If it's not good enough anyway you shouldn't be singing. That goes to everyone that's said "Oh drink this, it scratches your bla bla bla"

Lord worm says Lemon Tea really helps

Infinity i agree, but some people insist on growling/screaming even if they arent up to it... its up to the people who can actually do it to help i guess.

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tea is really good, it just works, when you growl a lot your throat get's sore after a while and tea softens the pain, especially with some honey.
Drinking booze is nonsense, it just burns and damages the troat.

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i try to get flem in my throat for the way i sing, so Coke is really good for that, water works too, but it doesn't produce flem quite so think as coke

Otherwise i just sound like im exhaling

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Tea is the best thing for your throat, bar none. Honey adds to that. Good advice, Doc.

While I don't sing, I try to keep my throat in good condition by drinking tea every day.... and because I'm part british.

I will probably be stuck singing. But I can't sing, nor am I fit for the job.

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I sing Rush.....hehe, not.

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I think tea is good as mentioned...and ice tea for that matter. Also a little bit of chlorseptic I find is also good..Especially if your voice is fucked from a lot screaming/yelling, etc.

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ice tea isnt good, you really should use warm drinks, like tea, chocolade or warm milk (tastes very good with honey)

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cool....thanx for the info

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I've seen a lot of people say 'force air through your throat' and vocal cords a lot on this thread. This is very bad for your cords - and your singing carrer will be very short if you do this. Plus it sounds like crap. Always use your diaphragm.

Another question i see a lot is 'I want to sound like ::insert vocalist/bandname here::' This isn't the kind of innovative thinking that should go into music. Plus its going to be near impossible to recreate this. Its like telling somone who sounds like Roseanne Arnold to talk like the huge mofo from everybody loves raymond. Come up with your own sound of vocals. It will feel better to you... and i know if i hear somone trying to sound like somone else my first though is 'what an unoriginal douche...'

Lastly: Experiment - but keep in mind if your voice starts to hurt from something you are doing. STOP for the day. drink a lot of water and start again when they dont hurt anymore. remember NEVER scream without warming up first. Hum or do some other warmup before you scream. Soon you will be able to scream all damn day and be comfortable. the way it should be.

-Sainttex

Nice first post.

*applause* at least he didnt put his first post in the guitar section like i did and almost every noob does

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I dig what you mean and I do want to be original with mine, but it's hard to sometimes with stuff like this. I can do wonders on guitar or bass but my singing always falls in to a certain place and I can't get out of it. Dig?

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I consider myself to want an original voice (as in I thought of a voice that would sound perfect to the music I play) but it just so happens coincidentally it's the same kind of vocal style used in Pig Destroyer and Magrudergrind.

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i haven't, in fact i have seen people say the exact oposite

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ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, dont forget, the longer hair also absorbs some of the "meat" in your voice, so for those true to the power metal way it needs to be AT LEAST knee length. Also your pants MUST have holes in them to allow the hot air that causes manlyness to escape. When these techniqes are combined, the true power metal vocalist is born.

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When I first saw the Avantasia cover, I seriously thought it was a chick singer, and holy shit was I wrong.

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^------- this is what im talking about. if you 'force air' its gonna be abrassive. all diaphram my friends (you can use your throat for accent sounds for that classic black metal sound, but dont push it. you will be able to get to a point where you can do this non stop without hurting. using the same method i talked about before. resting if it hurts and whatnot.)

BeastOfCarrion - you were the first person i saw that had said the right thing.

if you can only do vocals like frank mullen and are covering a carcass song, you should at least try to do the walker sneer high nasaly thing. so, i disagree there

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i dunno, i can do alot of different styles of vocals, but my main death metal ones are a low midsy gutteral, a septic sounding low, and chris barnes high. thats what they sound like. i use all diaphram too, except for the high which i use diaphram and throat.

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hahahahahahahhahaha
But ya exactly - covering.

I've got a problem with my growling. I just can't sustain it for long enough. After 1.5 seconds, I'm completely empty (trying to go further sounds stupid and makes me feel like I'm going to puke). My lungs were (last time I measured) quite a lot bigger than average for boys my age, and I play the saxophone, and I don't smoke, so I should not have a problem with air supply, but I do. I guess it's something with my technique that isn't right...
What I do is I relax my throat as much as I can, and then push air through it. Makes for a really low, but not very distorted sound. It doesn't hurt, and it makes my clean voice nicer for a short while after each growl. But as I said, I just can't sustain it.
What I'm looking for is a technique that allows me to go from Mikael Åkerfeldt of Opeth, to Chris Barnes of Cannibal Corpse and Six Feet Blunder. I'm not really after the higher pitched DM type vocals, but they'd be nice to have too. Anyone got any ideas?

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heres a tip. stop trying to be like that fag from opeth. i hate how everyone fucking creams over a guy who can sing and growl, when his singing actually blows ass compared to that beast of a growl he has. and i hate how when everyone is looking for vocalist (hence not fucking singing!) they say they want growls and harmonius singing too. newsflash! very few people can do that. so stop being dipshits and stop singing when it detracts from the true message of death metal, complete and utter brutality. metal is full of pussies these days.

sorry for the rant, opeth just pisses me off.

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Reread my reply, and I you will see that I there's no explicit reference to his clean vocals. Considering that I mention Chris Barnes as another example, I find it reasonable to assume that I'm talking about the growling.

And, for rants about bands, the band forum is more suitable, IMO, than a thread about singing/growling in the vocals forum.....

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alright, i guess since i was an asshole ill help you out. if you running short of breath when you growl, try using your throat a little more, try beastofcarrions solution of drinking coke before you do vocals.

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I am interested in trying some vocals.

My main question is, how do you NOT force air through your throat?

I'm after a kind of thrash rasp (think of the Swedish variety), I can produce a sound like this, but I can't sing a long to a whole song without my vocal chords starting to strain and hurt. I'm obviously focing my throat when I shouldn't be, and this is clearly not the way to go...

So, I should push the air out with my diaphragm? Well, sure...thats how you normally push air out of your lungs, but how do you get it to sound like a pissed of thrash rasp?

I'm I supposed to keep my throat as open as possible and just yell or what?

Also, where do you guys practise vocals? It's a bit hard to sit in my bedroom at home and just scream manically. The neighbours will assume someone is being gorotted.

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Can't help you, but that last comment is sooooo true. In this sorta shed like thing I have in my back yard (where I have my drums) sometimes I want to go practice but I get embarrassed in case anyone hear's me.

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i fucken scream when and where i fucking want. my room is right on the street and im 100% sure people think im getting raped.

just put a cd on like 3/4s volume on your stereo and practice.

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When I do actually practise, I usually take a walk from my house (I live in the countryside) to a place with a good view of the town I live just outside. There, I get a good clear sound (no annoying echoes, no annoying "closeness" of a small room) and no one will know it's me they're hearing (though pretty much half the town can hear me).

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I lack an isolated area nearby, so as has been previously said, just do it whereever. People may look at you funny, but screw them!!!! Do you want to sound good or not???

*PS My growl is good but my scream still sounds like Every Time I Die, who I love, but I'm not goin' for.

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I practice in my dorm room, as loud as fuck so the music covers me up a little. Haha, it's a dorm so I KNOW they all can hear me on the whole floor. It's not embarrassing only because no one says anything.

....shit cool water, ahh yes, I've been singing ALL day, and fuck my voice ain't gone yet.......as high as Demons&wizards too.

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lamb of god, just try "shaping" your throat different. Even though i use all diaphram, the way i "shape" my throat can change my vox from frank mullen off of peirced (that the closesest i can point it to) to this uber low gutteral growl to a scream thats close to barnes off the bleeding.

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When I growl, I have two techniques that I use to vary the pitch of the sound.

The First technique I have, I open my throat as wide as possible and push as much air as I can through my vocal chords. The end result is a very hollow, very monotone growl that vibrates the euvuala (Spelling?).

The other technique is the complete opposite. I suck air into my lungs and pronounce words, making the voicebox work in reverse. If you can pull this off, you can get a very Inhuman Croak.

Not sure if I have already destroyed my voice, but It sounds cool.

I'll post a demo soon.

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ha...that sounds like a decription of belching..

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this may not have any relevance but the akercocke vocalist looks up when he screams and down when he growls.

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*shrugs*

...I found that it's a good warmup for power metal singing to growl death metal first. One reason, it obviously clears the throat.

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Would you gimme a few tips to get started on growling/screaming?

dude!

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ummmm.... you have to be kidding right? why is it that alot of the people who have joined after me do shit like this? or is it a recurring issue?

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I tried screaming a minute ago, with the diaphram and all. I think it sounded pretty good but as i prolonged the scream i started feeling dizzy and almost passed out?! It didn't hurt though. But is it just that my physical shape is so lousy or what? Did I use too much diaphram? Need help, cuz it sounds good and my band really needs screaming vocals.

And another question: How do you do the kind of "panic" scream, wich is very high pitched and still inflicted with heavy distortion. E.G Alexi Laiho (children of bodom) does this a lot live, sounds really cold and scary.

That is right on track mate. I was practicing all last night for like 3 hours straight and I almost passed out like 3-4 times. That's also because I usually practice with something along the lines of Helloween and Iced Earth and Metallica, only lately have I started doing that. But my scream has always been a CoB type thing. All you need to do is just hack some phlem. It's sorta like closing your throat but just don't ckoke yourself. I can do it without any trouble whatsoever, infact, screaming like CoB is a relatively easy thing. Growling like CC though, you need a larger air supply. Keep drinking fluids as well.

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For growling it all comes from the stomach...for the "meanest" growls make sure you have a lot of muscas (phlem) in your throat. It helps to make it deeper and just sound better overall. For screaming like black metal vocals I would suggest act like you are screaming but holding back. I'm not the best at high vocals cuz I naturally have a deep voice.

Also practice a ton. Sing stuff that you want to sound like and do it for like 40 minutes straight. Don't forget water though or pop (although pop is not like by some). The water sooths your throat and the pop can help create a muckas like substance. Also eating before hand doesn't really help because you tend to burp...

If you choose to work without water be prepared for your voice to be half gone for about 2hrs afterwards. I did that last night singing the entire Black Dahlia Murder cd (Unhallowed). So up to you.

For deep vocals (growls) close the front of your mouth more than when you scream. It helps to deepen the sound while opening your mouth wider helps to make screaming higher pitched.

example... here

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Is that you? Good voice....
I didn't use any water last night. But I was drunk.....

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Sorry i'm from finland

Hack a lugie...spit out some green/yellowish stuff....so on and so forth.

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Did you steal that avatar from Riggs? WTF, nOObs have been stealing avatars on a daily basis lately.

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No I did not steal it... I've used it for years in different forums.

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Oh, thats cool it's just I thought you took it from someone else that post here, Riggs, because he has the same one. Yours is more red though so I guess its not completely the same.

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