I just learned that old man Kahler will be making guitar and bass bridges full time again. Check out this tour of the Kahler factory.

Kahler factory

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We are no longer slaves to floyd!

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lol, slaves to floyd

but thats some great news maybe he'll come out with new models as well

Don't expect to see Kahler to be replacing Floyd. #1 I don't think he will license any of his bridges because everyone one can see what that has done to the quality of Floyd. #2 a 2300 flat mount is around $350 meaning you will be paying around $200 more dollars on any given guitar with it. I'm not complaining, I'd pay it, but it's not smart bussiness and it's all about money. In short Kahler will only be on selected high end models and will cost more.

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They are expensive right now but I feel that is because of they are rare and made of completely machined steel or brass; at least the 2300's. I still find 2300's going for about $200 USD new on Ebay. Back in the day, they were not that much and I seen them stock on even mid priced no name guitars. I'm sure Kahler will sell their bridges to compete in price with Floyds, so bottom line is the customer will benefit if Floyd and Kahlar must compete. I would watch out for Floyds to start droping their prices, because I'm sure this is bad news for them.

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Back?!?!?! He never stopped making them... he just liked making golf clubs more But this can only be good news, i notcied on the last run of the LTD Jeff Hanneman sig guitar...... they fuckin put a lilkcensed floyde on!!! assholes... Hopefully they will make the color bridges again, those green, red, and blue bridges were cool as hell.

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i think the letters ltd would have been a dead givaway that a licensed floyd would be used on it.
but thats just me.

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Only the last run of the LTD sig had a licensed floyd, all previous runs had the Kahler 2300 flatmount on them.

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I AM FUCKING GOING TO BUY KAHLER BRIDGES!

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BLS, I know that they never completely stoped making Kahler bridges. I should have been correct by saying that Kahler bridges are going back into mass production. Sorry for the mix up.

Anyway, I keep close track of Kahler, where to get parts too, and I know why he stoped making bridges for a while. Nothing worth reading but basically a legal issue with Asia companys trying to copy it like the Floyd and the fact he put someone in charge of the bridge production that nearly ruined the company. He had to make a living so he made machined metal golf clubs, some of the best too I heard, until to legal issues were over. Now he is going back to guitar and bass bridges. No more golf clubs full time; they get to take a back seat to the bridges now. Thank goodness!

The only trem I have ever liked was the flat mount Kahler. The one on my custom Ran guitar is soooooo smooth. It is an older model 2300 with the brass rollers, technically a 2300 Standard, because the 2300 Professional has black steel rollers, but that is the only difference. Brass or steel rollers? It all depends on the tone you like. Kahler made a, very rare and few, newly designed 2300 just before they stoped production. I'm sure that Kahler will continue to make the new model but in all different colors.

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This is nothing but good news to me, i love Kahlers and i just routed my Explorer for a kahler. This should also mean a price drop on the used market.

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this is probably the best thing to happen to the guitar world in awhile. I'm looking forward to finally getting a chance to try one of these

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You should really try one. At least a flat mount, because Kahler did make a few fulcrum/Floyd trems and they were OK. I still see them on used guitars at shops. They are rare but can be found easy. I seen this one 80's RR-1 Jackson with a 2300 at Guitar Center. This guitar had some miles, but was still in great musical shape. The bridge needed maintenance badly, the body/neck needed a paint job, and the hardware needed to be deep cleaned, but it still played great.

The first time I tried a Kahler flat mount I know I would never be happy with a Floyd again. The Floyds can be nice but are so tempermental. They get fucked up, and are a bitch to fix. I rather have a non-trem bridge above Floyd.

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Thiers many things you can do with a floyd that you can do with a kahler, but i still think the Kahler flatmount is the superior bridge. Its sooooooo smooth, changng strings is just as easy as changing strings on a tune o matic bridge (well some people prefer to solder the ends of the strings but that only takes a minute) and you can change tunings all you want. They also dont need a HUMONGOUS spring cavity...

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sweet im not to educated on bridges all i know is some of my favorite guitarists use floyds, but what are the huge differances between the two? can you bend farther back then the other or somthing??? completley ignorant

and Origanal Floyd Rose is the ULITMATE in tuning stabiliy PERIOD. A Kahler manages to stay in tune very well, but in way as good as a OFR. A Kahler is much smoother becuase thier is less tension. They both go about and octave up and down. Most use floyds because their very easy to get, and their almost a standard on guitars now a days. But slayer has been using Kahlers since day one, i even remember Jeff having a kahler on his Les Paul.

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I thought Kerry used Floyd? I know Jeff HATES Floyd though.

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They both HATE floyds

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They cost $350 NEW back when Kahler had that kahlerinternational.com website back in 2000-2001.

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Thier $280 but you have to wait until they do another run, which depends on the amount of orders they recieve. Hopefully the mass production will fix this.

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wow now i really wanna get one. i had heard great things about the flat mounts, but I have not yet been priviledged to try one myself. I was just thinking of what kind of bridge I would like to have one my home made guitar. I think it's worth waiting awhile and getting one of these

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I was including the cost of the locking nut. I remeber Kahler offered a locking nut with some feature that made it better.

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I like the Kahler flat mount bridge but not their lock nuts. I like the Floyd lock nuts far better. In fact, the Slayer guitarist both use Kahler bridges with Floyd style nuts.

Once Kahler starts mass production I'm going to buy one ever time I can afford too. Just in case something stops production again. That way I can have enough for the rest of my life for my guitars. I'm kinda thinking this is what Slayer did before production stoped, because for years I had no ideal where they got their Kahlers from. ESP guitars could get them for a while, but I read on their forum that they no longer use them do to availability problems. I think this is why the Jeff Hammen (spell?) sig guitars are about to be made with Floyds. I'm sure that Jeff himself hates the ideal. B.C. Rich, I think, still offers them but at a huge cost to the customer. Kerry king still gets Kahlers on his guitars somehow.

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Yea i just went to a part of there site a filled out a form about what model i was interested in buying.

did you use Kahlerinternational.com because that site hasn't worked in a over a year... I got a few sites with great Kahler licks if anyone wants to know more.

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Also a great parts site,Kahler parts

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No its not kahlerinternational anymore, you can see the link to the new kahler site on the axeparts page, its near the bottom. Its like http://www.kahlerusa.com/ and http://www.kahlerusa.com/Questionair.htm, fill the questionair out and the more people who fill it out they more they will probably get back into the business as hardcore as they used to be.

wow axeparts actually sells kahler trems, and the one i want or atleast the one ive been influenced to get because of soulinsane the black 2300 flat mount. Im still trying to decide if its worth spending 300 bucks on a kahler and popping it in my ran, or just staying with the schaller floyd?? any suggestions.

I'm going there to fell out a thousand request right now

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Haha sweet

What They are selling the black trems now... I'v got to go back to their site now. Dude, don't pay $300 for theirs, because you can find them much cheaper on Ebay.

And it is worth getting a 2300 flat mount on your Ran guitar, I know this first hand.

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Yea ive been looking on ebay everday, yea hopefully kahlers will come out in production again soon i want these prices to drop. I found a chrome 2300 on ebay but its worn down in some places.

I just looked at the site again. They do have some of the bridges for sale. My Ran has the 2320 standard flat mount bridge; 1 trem arm with brass cam and rollers. The 2300 and 2310 are very nice; 2310 has 2 trem arms (stupid ideal unless you like the way SRV had his trem arm high on the bridge),and the 2300 has 1 trem arm, both made of steal cams and rollers and very bright sounding. Any 2310, 2320, or 2320 ( like my Ran guitar ) would be great.

I know that the 2330 Flyer is different because of the string mounts, but can be replaced with the other string mounts, vise versa. All of the 2300 series flat mounts have exchangable parts to make one or the other. The best thing about that is that you can make your higher note strings use a different string mount metal for different tone than the lower strings of your guitar.

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Looked at what site ebay or axeparts? cause if you saw one on ebay you shoud link it to me, i kinda wanted it to be new and black.

I will look on Ebay for you and PM what I find, K? Give me a day or so.

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alright sweet, i searched for kahler but i only found one good 2300 and it was chrome and had a problem with a screw or nut or somthing like it was stripped.
But other than that all the other ones i saw were pretty used or not black or not 2300 flat mounts

http://metaltabs.com/forum/showpost...30&postcount=58

and their locknuts are crap, the lock BEHIND the plastic nut. Its fuckin retarded.

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Hexsk8, I didn't PM you because I didn't find any either. Once the black ones show up on ebay they disappear within a day, so you have to look everyday and act fast to get one. That's how I got my last one. I put a max bid of $220 and the last minute it went from $145 to $180 because 10 other poeple tried to snipe it from me; those bastards I got it new and still payed less than Axeparts price.

I did find one 2300 bridge with no reserve. Now the desciption says it's a brass finish but it looks black in the pics. It could be a typo error so ask the seller and find out. Maybe the seller was trying to say it is made of brass but acually has a black finish? Bridge

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thats a chrome bridge

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How can you tell? It looks black to me.

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yea its a crack picture, that bridge is like acrackhead color changeing and somehow the owner thinks its brass

You mean it's a Predator bridge How could it be found on a camo guitar?

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Look at the locking nut, the black would be MUCH darker. The guy just dosent know how to take pictures, and dosent know jack shit about the bridge... hes the perfect seller to rip off.

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Yes it would definately be worth getting for that price. I bet buyers are confused about its color too and that is why it hasn't gone up in price very much. That or they are all waiting to snipe it at the last minute and get a better deal. How hard would it be to get a quality black finish put on a Kahler bridge, does anyone know? I know how to completely dismantle, rebuild, and maintanance 2300 Kahlers, but I don't know shit about hardware finishes.

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You cna get it either replated or powder coated. If you poweder coat it you cna get satin black, or a white or whatever really. Im not saure bout prices. USE GOOGLE!

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Ive been trying to get one off ebay, but they only ship to the US, but there is one oin there from dartmouth (where i live) but its only the bridge, but it has 2 days left.

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Ask a seller if they will ship to canada. Whenever some canuk ask me if i could ship to canada i usually arrange it.

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by any chance are YOU selling one?

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If i had a kahler i wouldnt sell it! I usually just sell shit like crappy stock pickups and hardware (including lincensed floyds) I also have a bunch of routing templates i no longer need, and alot of luthiery tools that i rarely use. I sold a bunch of old ass wrestling toys for $100

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Make sure they give you a fair price on shipping too. I hate it when a ebay seller will not tell you the price for shipping and then charge $15 after the auction, but it only cost $3.15 to mail it I have asked sellers before what shipping would total and they say only real shipping cost, but then after the auction its a standard $15 for shipping. If it cost $3.15 to mail I could understand $5 shipping cost, but $15, no fuckin way.

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The bridge is all you will need. Fuck the nut if it isn't the Floyd type locking kind! Floyd nuts have the best design, imo. Also the lock nut radius has to be matched close to your neck radius. The radius on the Kahler bridges are completely adjustable so no worries.

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How much work would have to be done to a guitar with a floyd rose to have to be able to use a kahler. I know there would probably have to be a lot of routing done.
I'm not planning on doing this, I'm just curious.

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The biggest part of the work is to fill the cavities for the Floyd again. The Kahler needs only a slight recession of a rectangular area, IIRC. And for those who use ToMs, there are post mount Kahlers, which I *believe* fit right onto the posts that are already there.

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I have a tune-o-matic on my dime, so I really dont have to worry about filling spaces.

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I don't think that the post mounted Kahlers fit on existing ToM bridge post.

Kahler trems don't require nearly as much routing as Floyds but the non-trem 2?00 flat mount Kahlers need no routing at all. I had one before and it was just like any 2300 Kahler with fine tuning knobs but no trem. It mounted flat on the surface of the guitar... looked beautiful too.

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Fear can use a kahler like this http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...3734652850&rd=1

and cannibal i just put a kahler flatmount 2300 on one of my guitars that had a floyd on it. I used this tuturial http://projectguitar.com/tut/tht1.htm but dont use glue, make sure you use expoxy as your ONLY adhesive, dont use woodfiller either.. epoxy is ALOT stronger, and can withstand greater heat.

It took me a weekend to do it. Not necessarily hard, but its just time consuming sanding the blocks down to fit in the cavity tightly. In the end it was DEFINETLY worth it.

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So would you have to refinish the guitar? It sorta looks like you have to but I might be wrong.

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Depends, you cna always leave the spring cavity cover on.. which will hide the filled spring caviry. And the kahler covers most ot the area you fill in on top. But refinishing would be recommended. You can so a damn good job with a spray can belive it or not.

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THANK YOU!

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The new Kahler bridges are here and ready to order!

Moser guitars are the official Kahler sales reps. New Kahlers here!

I'm getting two for my next Rans

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Kahler is fucking retarded...

they will always be a bitch to Floyd unless they get their shit together. $325?!!?! WTF are they thinking??

fucking idiots... I also see that their STILL using that behind the nut Locking nut.. once again, FUCKING IDIOTS.

Fuck em...

harsh word but it needs to be said.

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YES!!!!!!!! ive never played a kahler 2300 but from all the reviews, the next ran i will get will surley have this, once i get my RR ill be pretty happy about that and probably wont get another get for a while.

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Yea! $325 for a new Kahler is a bit much, but that is better than the $400 I've seen rebuilt ones sell for at other sites. At least they are avalible again. I like the Kahler bridges but Floyd locking nuts are the better design, imo.

I don't know if Mr. Moser is adding his cut onto the price, but knowing Moser I'm sure the price is inflated just a bit. I am going to look around and see if I can find them cheaper. Perhaps from old man Kahler himself.

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What's a Kahler non-tremolo bridge? I know Megadeth had them on their guitar back in the day, both Marty and Dave. They were some sort of Kahlers, but they had no locking nut. What makes such bridges better than, say, a regular fixed bridge?

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Kahler fixed bridges look and are made just like the like kahler 2300 trem bridges, but the cam doesn't rotate. The parts can be replaced between the two to make one or the other. It is only preference if one bridge is better than another, but Kahlers are better made than just about any other bridge known to man.

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Ahh the fresh smell of a revived thread.
Anyway, what are the differences between a Kahler 2300 Pro, a 2330 Spyder, and a 2720 Flyer? How would they compare to a Schaller Floyd Rose?

2300 bridges have either steel ( Pro ) or brass ( Standard ) rollers and cams. The steel and brass parts can be interchanged to help create a special tone, but the frame is machined solid steel. They mount flat to the guitar with little needed routing. Some guitars do require a about a 3 mm recess routing for the bridge, like mine, but it depends if the guitar has a angled neck to the body.

Spyder Kahlers are a Floyd type trem and are actually nice. I have had a guitar with one and I dare say I liked it better than a real Floyd.

Flyers are just like 2300's except that the saddles are made completely different. The saddle parts can be repaced with 2300 saddles and therefore making the bridge a 2300.

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