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how do i get my style of guitar playing heavier
i have been playing guitar for 2 years now i have a bc rich bronze warlock with seymore duncan detionator pickups at the bridge and i have a digitech rp 200 pedal i try to get my style like vehemences but when i play in a drop tune i cant seem to make it sound talented while still heavy help me what do i need to do just sit in a room of skulls or flames or something like that
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1st you get good at guitar and it isn't hard to make something sound heavy.
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Distortion, and palm mute.
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better gear.
cheap bc's suck. detonators suck, and rp's suck, and i don't even know what amp you're using but i bet it aint to great either.
once you have decent gear. slap on some heavy dist, chug on some chunky palm muted chords and play some cool riffs.
a huge part of your tone will come from your technique.
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Get much better gear and learn some songs to get the style down.
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And use thicker strings if you downtune.
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if you want a thick sound I'd suggest a. having humbucker pickups, b. putting bass above tremble, and c. lower tuning. C tuning is a pretty nice tuning along with B.
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Z-tuning!
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How about this:
Try turning on the distortion channel.
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And stop detuning, and tune more standard so you can make some funky fingerwork with palm mutes, like this:
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offcoarse this was not the style you were looking for, but if you want to sound heavy AND talented, dont just play powerchords but do some funky finger stuff
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that aint a heavy riff, THIS is a heavy riff
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i would be concernced if my grandmother couldn't play that riff, its not hard, but those 5th fret harmonics really had contrast to make your open drop G power chords really heavy 
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ok i know my stuff is not all that great i have a 12 watt crate amp im not bad at playing guitar i taught myself how 2 play eruption by ear but back to the subject i play mostly in B or C tuning i just need help on getting my technique better oh one more think i should be getting a nj beast soon with a dimebucker pickup and a randall amp now most people say rp's are not good 4 heavy metal what type of pedal should i get? or should i get different instruments
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ok i know my stuff is not all that great i have a 12 watt crate amp im not bad at playing guitar i taught myself how 2 play eruption by ear but back to the subject i play mostly in B or C tuning i just need help on getting my technique better oh one more think i should be getting a nj beast soon with a dimebucker pickup and a randall amp now most people say rp's are not good 4 heavy metal what type of pedal should i get? or should i get different instruments
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It doesnt matter what kind of instrument or pedal your gonna buy, because it will always sound crap with an 12 watt amp. Just save your money for a good amp... 50 or 60 watts should suffice
Edit: I didn't read your post right... but get the amp first! If you get a good amp, you won't even need distortion pedal.
But seriously, dont go for the dimebucker 
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All i say is play with friends, practice (scales especially) , get a guitar teacher and most of all enjoy yourself and u'll be good in no time. 
p.s-it doesn't really matter about equipment, just worry about progressing on guitar first and then listen to ideas bout gear etc.
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To play heavy you need to develop a good palm muting techinique. Get a lot of distortion and palm mute with some power chords to start out and you should be on your way.
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fuck heavy assed distortion, fuck downtuning, play heavy, dont tickle the strings, bang the shit out of them. a better amp will help alot, but dont overdo the distortion, the heaviness should come from your hands.
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If you want a decent amp that isn't to much try an Ibanez ToneBlaster 50R. I got one last christmas and it has been really good to be. If you want a decent distortion with it do, 8 distortion, last (-) on bass, second to last on med, and trem. just a suggestion.
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Um, no?
5150 are the shit, and so are Marshall. Randall are really good for a low price, too, so try for that, I guess.
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Get into slayer. Thats what taught me to play heavy and with some degree of skill.
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distortion with a lot of bass = heavy palm mutes.
heavy palm mute = chunky sound.
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but i agree with moon raven, equipment can only take you so far, the rest should come from technique.
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I'm surprised everyones so into loads of bass.
I like bass and treble both on about 6 or 7, and very little mid (about 2)
Maybe thats just my equipment though...
Also, you dont need to downtune to sound heavy.
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bass is good usually i have it at ten and also my treble at ten but my mid at 0 because i like that kinda raspy sound it has...too much bass just ruins the sound of the guitar
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A good example of a band who tunes low and sounds unheavy and like shit is... Korn!
7 strings and tuned down... I sound 5x as heavy as them and I use 6 string guitars and tune only 1/2 step down.
And about the mids.. I only scoop when I'm playing by myself even then I don't have the mids all the down. It sounds better that way but with other musicians then I will turn it up to about 5.
Hmmmm I take that back with me sounding 5x as heavy... Its more like 100x as heavy.
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My RP-7 downtunes for me if I turn the mod on Its really useful, since my guitar teacher would kill me if I downtuned. So that way, I can keep in in E on the guitar, and play in D.
Playing sound brutal ass hell. Obituary style!!! 
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using punctuation will make your music sound really heavy and thats why mine always sounds so weak because i dont like to take the time to use any of it see?
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EMGs are good for heavy sounds, too.. although i prefer dimarzios. tone zone + air norton = bone crunching sounds.
they're very responsive, so when you start smashing the strings with your first, you hear the difference big time.
a good amp is very necessary for any good sounds, though. the best guitar in the world will sound like piss on a small, cheap amp.
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Try this riff maybe?
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Malevolent Creation is fucking heavy.
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Your gear does matter though. I'd like to see YOU trying to play Obituary through a Squeir 15 watt practice amp, with an Ibanez GIO.
Thats what I thought.
Palm Muting is good, but in excess is annoying. Fast picking is a staple of heavy playing. Listen to:
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Listen to their music. Learn the songs. Then build your style around what you've learned.
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Your gear does matter though. I'd like to see YOU trying to play Obituary through a Squeir 15 watt practice amp, with an Ibanez GIO.
Thats what I thought.
Palm Muting is good, but in excess is annoying. Fast picking is a staple of heavy playing. Listen to:
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*buzz* How about no?
I was just giving him a suggestion, seeing as no one else really DID give him a suggestion.
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Capo's are good! It makes a songs actualy sound different, unlike detuning all the time 
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2004-06-10, 12:08
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Capo's are good! It makes a songs actualy sound different, unlike detuning all the time |
Get the best of both worlds. Downtune to D, then put a capo on the second fret. |
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2004-06-10, 14:28
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Capo's are good! It makes a songs actualy sound different, unlike detuning all the time |
What the hell are you talking about? Using a capo and detuning do basically the same thing. |
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2004-06-10, 15:46
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Detuning is so standards these days. And I have seen guitarist using some capo to begin a song equiped with it, then in some part remove it. I'd like to see someone tune from C# to E standard in between songs (and use one guitar!)
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2004-06-10, 18:47
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Oh, I see your point, that's indeed a cool technique.
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2004-06-11, 04:46
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a few things: use punctuation. And headbang while playing... no matter what youre playing, the headbanging will make it look heavier  ... and yea... palm muting. |
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2004-06-15, 20:17
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Your style must to come from your inside, from what you wanna do playing a guitar. It's like sometimes you kill while your playing, or lost yourself into an endless chord, i dont known. A good equipment it's very important, but i think it's more important how you fell about what you're doing. Never mind what other people think, don't care, but i hope you'll never be satisfied.
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2004-06-17, 06:38
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Change pick ups, use palm muting and use som real big amps 500watt sounds pretty cool...  |
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2004-07-11, 11:54
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i find it can sound heavier if you turn the gain down to about 3/4 so it doesnt sound muddy (but maybe thats just the gear i use) and do a lot of palm muting, pinched harmonics and tremelo picking
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