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Old 2007-03-25, 15:07
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Set up help.

Could I get some ideas for the best set up with what I have along with setting for Death Metal live? I am not looking for a recording sound but a sound to play live with.

THis is what I have:

Jackson DKGMT Dinky w/EMG Guitar
Marshall MG Series 250DFX
Boss MT-2 Metal Zone Pedal
Boss NS-2 Noise Suppressor Pedal
Boss CS-3 Compression Sustainer Pedal
Boss GE-7 Equalizer Pedal
Boss TU-2 Chromatic Tuner

Any help would be great. Thank you.
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Old 2007-03-25, 15:55
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You've got great gear except for the amp and Metalzone. If I were you, I'd sell both and get a good high gain amp, even something cheap and simple like a Crate BV-60, Stealth GT-50(there's 1 on ebay), or a Peavey Ultra 1x12" would kick ass.
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Old 2007-03-25, 16:01
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You've got great gear except for the amp and Metalzone. If I were you, I'd sell both and get a good high gain amp, even something cheap and simple like a Crate BV-60, Stealth GT-50(there's 1 on ebay), or a Peavey Ultra 1x12" would kick ass.


Would these be loud enough for live shows as well?


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Old 2007-03-25, 17:01
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hell yeah they'll be loud enough and even if they do lack a little volume for your taste in a live situation (which I don't think they will) you will be able to mic them live.
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I dont know man, how soon are you playing live?
The reverb and delay on that amp will really make a heavy sound out of that pedal, for a tight situation you could get decent live, but the tone itself is murkey. After a show you should definatly trade up a couple things...but trading the 250 watt for the 60? i mean i know there is a difference in volume between an SS and tube, but not that much. Save up some cash for a head, you could get an extention and use the speakers from your 250 watt as a cab.
all this depends on the rush you are in, if you got time to save up stick with a cheap used head. Most people here sware on the BVs
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I dont know man, how soon are you playing live?
The reverb and delay on that amp will really make a heavy sound out of that pedal, for a tight situation you could get decent live, but the tone itself is murkey. After a show you should definatly trade up a couple things...but trading the 250 watt for the 60? i mean i know there is a difference in volume between an SS and tube, but not that much. Save up some cash for a head, you could get an extention and use the speakers from your 250 watt as a cab.
all this depends on the rush you are in, if you got time to save up stick with a cheap used head. Most people here sware on the BVs

Ummm.. the MG250DFX is not a 250W amp man... It's a 100W RMS combo. Pretty crappy sounding at high volumes, that's the impression I got out of it playing through it at TV volumes. You COULD use it live I'm sure it would work I'm sure it's loud enough, but I'd get something better.

All of the amps I mentioned will do gigging with more than enough headroom, less you need to play for 4000 people unmiced...
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Could I get some ideas for the best set up with what I have along with setting for Death Metal live? I am not looking for a recording sound but a sound to play live with.

THis is what I have:

Jackson DKGMT Dinky w/EMG Guitar
Marshall MG Series 250DFX
Boss MT-2 Metal Zone Pedal
Boss NS-2 Noise Suppressor Pedal
Boss CS-3 Compression Sustainer Pedal
Boss GE-7 Equalizer Pedal
Boss TU-2 Chromatic Tuner

Any help would be great. Thank you.


No offence man but those MG's suck big time, the other guitarist in my band uses one and its balls. I've listened to your stuff and it kicks ass, you deserve a decent amp! Not sure what your budget is but as people are recommending 1x12's I'd recommend an Engl Thunder, played one the other day and it sounded awesome.
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Old 2007-03-26, 15:24
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As most people here are saying, your best option is just to buy a head (blue voodoo, mesa boogie rec, peavey xxx/5150/6505, ampeg ss-140c/vh140c) (most of those listed come in combos anyway) and either buy a cab or use the marshall combo that you own for the cab, in most circumstances and judging by the fact that you probably have quite a following with your current bloodsoaked stuff you will quite probably be PA'd anyway.

alternatively you could use you V-amp that you recorded all of your stuff with as a preamp and buy a decent poweramp such a a mesa boogie 2/90/2 or a vht 2/50/2 these both can be picked up for around 700$ on ebay (not sure about the mesa) i may be wrong but if im not mistaked the v-amp is essentially the same thing as the pod xt, and alot of people use those for preamps.

but one thing you havent metioned is your budget on spending for some new gear.

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i see you use a compression pedal, can anyone tell me what it does exactly?

as jacksonmetalhead said, get an ampeg they're awesome and sometimes pretty cheap on ebay
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Old 2007-03-26, 17:23
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^ kinda hard to describe it.. it just seems to make all your notes sound more the same volume, so your playing cleans up a bit tighter with a little more punch. the boss site says "compresses loud signals and boosts softer signals for a smooth overall sound."
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but one thing you havent metioned is your budget on spending for some new gear.


I would say under $1000 is my budget. I am hoping I can trade or just sell my Marshall Combo for a few hundred (paid $550 1 1/2 years ago). I would like to get some kind of 1/2 stack or combo would be totally fine as well. As long as it is loud enough for live shows and pactice. Any show we played I would be miced.


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Old 2007-03-26, 19:38
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alternatively you could use you V-amp that you recorded all of your stuff with as a preamp and buy a decent poweramp such a a mesa boogie 2/90/2 or a vht 2/50/2 these both can be picked up for around 700$ on ebay (not sure about the mesa) i may be wrong but if im not mistaked the v-amp is essentially the same thing as the pod xt, and alot of people use those for preamps.


Why could I not plug my V-Amp Pro directly into the Marshall Combo? Why do I need a pre-amp/paoweramp?

I also have 2 PA speakers (AudioChoice), could I run my V-Amp Pro into those and use it like that?

Everything I have done has been for home recording so working on a good death metal sound for plauing live is becoming a big pain....LOL


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Old 2007-03-26, 19:39
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Ummm.. the MG250DFX is not a 250W amp man... It's a 100W RMS combo. Pretty crappy sounding at high volumes, that's the impression I got out of it playing through it at TV volumes. You COULD use it live I'm sure it would work I'm sure it's loud enough, but I'd get something better.

All of the amps I mentioned will do gigging with more than enough headroom, less you need to play for 4000 people unmiced...


Will the como give the same sonud as a 1/2 stack version?
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Old 2007-03-26, 19:42
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I dont know man, how soon are you playing live?
The reverb and delay on that amp will really make a heavy sound out of that pedal, for a tight situation you could get decent live, but the tone itself is murkey. After a show you should definatly trade up a couple things...but trading the 250 watt for the 60? i mean i know there is a difference in volume between an SS and tube, but not that much. Save up some cash for a head, you could get an extention and use the speakers from your 250 watt as a cab.
all this depends on the rush you are in, if you got time to save up stick with a cheap used head. Most people here sware on the BVs


I am in no rush at all. Right now just practicing and working on getting everything tight. So there is no time frame.

Would getting a 5150 head and use it through the combo I have work? I could use the head and play it through the marshall combo speakers?


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Old 2007-03-26, 19:44
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hell yeah they'll be loud enough and even if they do lack a little volume for your taste in a live situation (which I don't think they will) you will be able to mic them live.


So any and all of these combos (Crate BV-60, Stealth GT-50, or a Peavey Ultra 1x12") would be plenty loud enough?

Do these usually have good enough gain/distortion that I would not need an extra pedal?


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Would getting a 5150 head and use it through the combo I have work? I could use the head and play it through the marshall combo speakers?


Yeah of course, just gotta check the ohms at the back, i used a randall V2 out of my Marshal MG200DFX, i'm sure its the same idea. BUt get a cab eventually, haha
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i see you use a compression pedal, can anyone tell me what it does exactly?

levels your volume and gives you NO picking dynamics. Whether you pick hard or soft, it will always be the same volume. You can sustain for hours, but it does not fade, it just stays constantly until it drops off.
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Why could I not plug my V-Amp Pro directly into the Marshall Combo? Why do I need a pre-amp/paoweramp?

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The solid state poweramp of the marshall will suck, and does suck at high volumes. Therefore you're plugging the sex of the mesa v-twin into a marshall SS pile of shit, and thats just asking for a tone infection. Tube poweramp is recommended because of its better tone at high volumes.
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A comp. pedal doesn't give you "no" dynamics, you can adjust the aggressiveness and threshold of the effect, to get the desired tightness in tone.
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Any opinions on this cab? Good price? Good cab?


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