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Old 2006-01-03, 22:10
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Christianity VS Evolution

I recently had to spend 2 weeks with a mobile window tinter that was also Christian. It was prety good pay but I had to hear him rave on about shit. I couldn't really beat him beccause I'm not a scientist and he's like a fully qualified precher and brought up shit I had no answer for. How can I beat gay Christians in the argument, can anyone find me an essay or something?
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Old 2006-01-03, 22:19
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Do some reading

these books are really good for bossing christians:
The pagan christ
Angels and demons
Da vinci code

the last two are really easy and exciting reads, im sure you've heard of them before

the pagan christ is pretty dry, but it has awesome facts,but i don't encourage argueing with christians, its not gonna get you anywhere, and it's pretty immature

EDIT:btw those books i mentioned dont really compare evolution and religion
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Old 2006-01-03, 22:33
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I really wanted to get my 2 cents in this one. You guys aren't myopic about metal so quit being that way with Christians!!! We aren't all alike anymore than all of you like Linkin Park. I know sometimes people that are so into their thing will drive you nuts, but you could take the approach to maybe learn a little from what he says and ask a few questions. Or politely tell him you'd rather talk about something else and that it's too personal a thing and you have your own beliefs that you're content with. That's what I tell the JW's that stop occasionally. I studied with them for awhile just to find out what they were all about. I don't agree with what they teach so I have something to tell them. Another example of not all Christians being alike.
Maybe there's something else that both of you are interested in that might be a more common ground of discussion.
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Old 2006-01-03, 22:41
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I really wanted to get my 2 cents in this one. You guys aren't myopic about metal so quit being that way with Christians!!! .

exactly, let them belive what they want. I dont agree with christian views, but im not out to convert or 'beat' their religion
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That was a very intelligent response, Bobbi.
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Do some reading

these books are really good for bossing christians:
The pagan christ
Angels and demons
Da vinci code

the last two are really easy and exciting reads, im sure you've heard of them before

the pagan christ is pretty dry, but it has awesome facts,but i don't encourage argueing with christians, its not gonna get you anywhere, and it's pretty immature

EDIT:btw those books i mentioned dont really compare evolution and religion


I've never read The Pagan Christ, but I would not argue someone based off fictional literature (although it seems to be done here regardless, dosen't it?). All you've got to do is 1.) Become familar with the Bible 3.) Think for yourself and 9.) Do some research on evolution. Go to your local bookstore and look around. Theres tons of books on evolution vs. creation. But what it basically boils down to is that there are no facts supporting the story of Creation and plenty on evolution. Creationist facts are simply anwsers to questions that haven't been solved and turn out to be lazy solutions. Arguing with a creationist can be hard seeing that they are usually religious and love to pick at the holes in science that haven't yet been filled (but when are, are quitely forgotten).

Either way, I usually avoid this topic if I know my opponent is stubborn. It takes a mountain to persuade someone from religious beliefs, even though believing in evolution dosen't make you any kind of athiest.
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Old 2006-01-04, 01:37
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Has anyone seen the show Bullshit? With Penn and Teller
they have an episode on this issue. Of Course creationism is the Bullshit.
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Bullshit's a great show.

You can't win this argument. The type of evidence you could bring to bear will only work with somebody who agrees to think about things scientifically, which anybody who's arguing for creationism has already decided against. Both sides in this argument have to deal with the handicap that anybody who disagrees with them is never going to agree, no matter how compelling the evidence. People who proselytize for creationism or evolution are only trying to reach the people whose minds aren't sufficiently formed to have decided. That said, if you want to have a reasonable background in Evolution there are a lot of books out there.

And don't read the Dan Brown books. They're not as well-researched as they pretend to be and end up annoying people like me as much as they do hard-line Christians.

L,B'XXX - Infinity didn't say all Christians were alike. He wanted to have the firepower to argue with the people who tried to convince him of creationism. That's about as different from blindly bashing Christianity in general as you can get, and still your alarms went off. If he wants to argue with somebody proselytizing for creationism it's as much his right as it is for that guy to proselytize. Can the shit.
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Old 2006-01-04, 04:06
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Bullshit's a great show.

You can't win this argument. The type of evidence you could bring to bear will only work with somebody who agrees to think about things scientifically, which anybody who's arguing for creationism has already decided against. .

Very well said.


Lbxxx, all due respect...My opinion is that anyone claiming to be a true christian has thrown all logic aside for a belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.
For a person...like myself to say this....this is not bashing.
This is a personal choice made and has as much right to be heard as the proselytizing christian.

If a person I meet mentions Iron Maiden.....we discuss.
If a person I meet mentions creationism....we discuss.
The Iron Maiden fans that disagree on best albums never take this "offended" stance.
Let me ask...why do most christians feel a differing opinion is an assault?


Dont answer as I already know....I am an educated ex christian. I know the mantra.
Just food for thought.
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creationism just gots ass whooped in that pennsylvania

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Old 2006-01-04, 06:23
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Yeah well I'm fucken tired of these gay arse Christians because I have to spend a great deal of time with them, most of my friends are Christians, one of my boss' is a Christian, I hear the shit toooooooo often. I'm sick of hearing it.
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Old 2006-01-04, 06:32
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"ill leave you alone if you leave me alone"

and accept that you probably won't get left alone. a christian is trying to do their best to save your soul, so i suppose its a noble effort

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PST 88-- He said, "How can I beat gay Christians in the argument, can anyone find me an essay or something?" That's the statement that I was referring to and I suppose it depends on how you want to take it.

I respect other people's ideas and I wasn't that offended by the initial post or anything like that. There's those of us who believe in Biblical teachings as well as evolution. I think there's ties to both somehow. I guess I'm more the New Testament type that thinks more about the future and what Jesus taught as far as what He did and why pertaining to the afterlife than in how we got here. It's interesting, but that's not in my personal forefront.
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Old 2006-01-04, 08:01
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No, you know what, I'm sick of them enforcing it on me, so I want to beat them at their own gay arsed game.
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Well, you know what you could do. When my kids didn't want to listen to something I was saying they'd cover their ears and sing --la-la-la -quite loudly. They still do that. It might look stupid, but they might take a hint.
Can you wear headphones while you're working maybe?
Pushy people bug me, too. To me they're a lesson in what not to do.
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