Dude, this sounds stupid, but I never really thought about it. What do they mean by fret size like extra jumbo? Do they mean the size of the metal frets, or the size of the space between the frets?

haha the size of the actuall frets, if you changed the space between them that would fuck the innotation and notes up.

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Well I have XJ on my RAN and they are bigger than my jacksons.

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damn il ask him if he has regular jumbo than, that should be gettable i think.

also:

what kahler should i look for??

the killer looks cool, and easy for string changes, but i dunno

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Okay, so I was right about what I thought, whew, now I know.

Hey K13m: is this something like what you want but w/ a Kahler?

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that pic does show one with a kahler

and i would get the 2315 kahler flatmount trem I highly doubt you will regret it.

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Yeah, I´ve heard people saying that. But I don´t know ´cause I don´t really know what fret size I´m used to. Don´t know what the BC Rich KKV got and I´m not really sure what my other guitars had. I had a Neck Thru NJ Warlock for a while, a Neck Thru Jackson King for a year or 2, a NJ KKV Tribe, they all felt great. So does my Ran. I´m thinking of my third guitar that I gonna order, if I gonna go with medium or jumbo... Medium seems to work but jumbo might be even better?? I gonna ask on the BC Rich forum if anyone knows if the BC Rich KKV got jumbo frets or not...

Well some peoples definition of jumbo and medium and all that are differant.
I would ask what the exact fret size is, Dunlop 6100 fret wire is extra jumbo i think, just ask what jackson considers jumbo (what # fret wire it is) then tell dariuzs to use that size fret wire or the closest to it.

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yeah good one, il try ask jackson

also, the pic sumone posted is modelwise what i want, wheres that pick from, ow btw, go back 1 page and look, i attached a pic of how i want my ran, colorwise etc.

ill check that kahler trem u(???)recomended

EDIt, thats the one that slayer dude uses right?? looks cool.
im almost done with thinking over what i want, now for that fretwire # from jackson :P

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yea it has mixed rollers and cams on it for the "best" tones (for most people preferances) ask soulinsane he will know all about kahlers.

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I have a 2220 classic kahler in my explorer and I love it. It has a really nice feal. Great palm mutes etc.

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jackson doesnt have a email? couldnt find it atleast.

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go to there forum or call them

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if your happy with you speed and playing on medium, then chose medium frets

I just got back my quote from Dariusz.


R_or_L_handed=right handed
body_shape=Other

body_shape_other=See pictures below

construction=neck thru

body_material=mahogany

material_other=

top_wood_options=flamed maple

binding_top=yes

binding_back=no

binding_color=black

pickup_configuration=HUM-HUM

finish=red see-thru

finish_other=

headstock_shape=Other

headstock_shape_other=See pictures below

neck_material=mahogany

reverse=no

headstock_finish=match body finish

headstock_finish_other=

neck_finish=match body finish

neck_finish_other=

fingerboard=ebony

fingerboard_other=

number_of_frets=24

fret_size=extra jumbo

inlays=none

custom_inlays=no

fingerboard_end=square

fingerboard_binding=yes

headstock_binding=yes

binding_color=black

nut=locking

width=1 11/16''

hardware_color=black

bridge_system=Kahler Flatmount 2300

tuning_machines=Schaller M6

pickups=EMG

pickups_neck=EMG 85

pickups_middle=N/A

pickups_bridge=EMG 81

control_knobs=volume + tone

pickup_selector=3-way toggle

hard_case=yes

Dear Jesse,
the Vixen guitar in your specification costs 1680 euros /a Kahler 2300 bridge included/.

Best regards
Dariusz Kuczynski

That's about $2,106.02 USD according to XE.com. Not too bad considering my options on it.

post pics of the guitar shape yoru getting....

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i just sended a email for 2 price submitions, i think its gonna cost me a lot
take a look at it

i think its gonna be order 2, probaly in my price range
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order 1

Date 2-sept-2005
Customer Gimar Yestra
Country Holland
E-mail k13m@gotmail.com


right handed
Body Shape: jackson warrior
Construction: neck thru
Body Material alder
Top Wood Options: quilted maple
Body Binding: top: no Back: no
Binding Color: N/A
Pickup Configuration: HUM-HUM
Finish: black see-thru (back and side of body black) (see attached picture 1)
Headstock Shape: jackson headstock (see attached picture 1)
Neck Material: maple
Reverse: no
Headstock Finish: black
Neck Finish: NO FINISH, oiled
Fingerboard: ebony
Number of Frets: 24
Fret Size: jumbo (if possible)
Fingerboard Inlays: sharkfins
Custom Inlays: no
Fingerboard End: square
Fingerboard Binding: yes
Headstock Binding: yes
Binding Color: cream (if possible)
Nut: locking
Width: 1 11/16''
Hardware Color: black
Bridge System: Kahler 2315 special tremolo
Tuning Machines: Schaller M6
Pickups: EMG
Pickup Model: Neck: EMG 85 Bridge: EMG 81
Control Knobs: volume + tone
Pickup Selector: 3-way toggle
Hard Case: yes

Additional Instructions or Questions

can u get kahler tremolo's??
is it possible to get jumbo frets, instead of extra jumbo??
is it possible to get cream coloured binding instead of white??
is it possible to get the back and sides of the body painted black, and the top black see-thru,
with a little black at the edges (burst effect)(see attached picture 1)

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order 2

Date 2-sept-2005
Customer Gimar Yestra
Country Holland
E-mail k13m@gotmail.com


right handed
Body Shape: jackson warrior
Construction: neck thru
Body Material alder
Top Wood Options: N/A
Body Binding: top: no Back: no
Binding Color: N/A
Pickup Configuration: HUM-HUM
Finish: no paint, clear matt finish (see attached picture 2)
Headstock Shape: jackson headstock (see attached picture 1)
Neck Material: maple
Reverse: no
Headstock Finish: no paint, clear matt finish (see attached picture 2)
Neck Finish: NO FINISH, oiled
Fingerboard: ebony
Number of Frets: 24
Fret Size: jumbo (if possible)
Fingerboard Inlays: sharkfins
Custom Inlays: no
Fingerboard End: square
Fingerboard Binding: yes
Headstock Binding: yes
Binding Color: cream (if possible)
Nut: locking
Width: 1 11/16''
Hardware Color: black
Bridge System: Kahler 2315 special tremolo
Tuning Machines: Schaller M6
Pickups: EMG
Pickup Model: Neck: EMG 85 Bridge: EMG 81
Control Knobs: volume + tone
Pickup Selector: 3-way toggle
Hard Case: yes

Additional Instructions or Questions

is it possible to get the body not painted, but with clear matt lack on it??
so i can see the wood (not shining)

Yeah, that's quite alright rat13. The Kahler definitely jacked up the price. Can Darisuz even get Kahlers? Are they back in production?

kahlers have been back in production for a while now.

looks at the site.

www.kahlerusa.com (i think)

Yupp theyre back.

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god k13m............ i just splooged.

Those specs are soooo sexy. I love quilted maple, and the burst affect would be sweet with that beautiful black see through. That no paint satin wood one is also very very badass. Either one would be so awesome.

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If you were talking to me then here it is. It's like this one but with my specs listed previously.

http://ranguitars.floriandecher.de/KRUOS.html

ahhh

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im not a fan of that body shape. just get a regular V!

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Does it really matter if YOU'RE a fan of it...since it's my custom? I didn't think so.

i think its gonna be the satin wood one, cuz i think the black seethru is gonna be a lot of money, i thinkthat one wil be around 1700 or sumtin :P but thats just my guess, but looking at the price that rat13 had to pay i think mine wil be even more.

+ i have to egt a backup axe for in the mean while, i think just a cheap 200euro axe, i still have my sd pickups from my jackson wr1 so, might aswell use those

i agree man, get whatever U like, and say fuck you to the rest , i actualy like that chape, im not v fan, or whatever shape that loks like it, but this one actualy has sumtin cool bout it

Glad someone sees what I mean. I didn't mean to be a dick to the other guy...I just don't see the point in saying I should get something else because he doesn't like the shape of mine.

good 'ol tranny for you

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thats just trannie i guess if someone wopuld say theres no sound from my amp what could be wrong, he would say, hahhaa stupid u, u probaly didnt turn it on .

so nvm him

hahahaha dude i didnt say THAT SHITS ASS UGLY WHATRE YOU GETTIN THAT FOR i said i didnt like the shape. im not one of the negative "haters" you took me as , sorry about that. i just prefer regular vs, and rhoads even more as a matter of fact


honestly, enjoy your custom when it comes

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DAMN, i cant make up my mind bout 1 thing, pickups.

emg 81 /85

or passives, i dunno, i actualy want some nice cleans, and i read that the dimarcio x2n, i rilli high output, and just as good on harmonics as a 81, so i might get that.

damn, decisions decisions

id go with the 81/85 because theyre reliable and i kind of like their cold cleans. get a junky guitar and have passives in that one , if your main playing is gonna be in metal

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yeah sounds like a good idea to me rilli

ive never played or heard the x2n, only passives ive played are sd invader and fullshred, and dimarcio tonezone and pafpro.

the sd were muddy, and the dimarcios didnt have enough output for my preference.

i did played 81 and 85 in my wr1, and i kinda liked those so

ill guess ill stick with that.

damn time goes slow while waiting, (i just sended the email a few hours ago maybe im inpatience) well i know i am

i want my ran, and i havent ever ordered it yet

life is hard

What about 81/60's?

Those are supposed to produce a nicer clean than the 85 isnt it? and you would still have the grunt of the 81 at the bridge.

I think if i get emg's ill get the 81/60 setup

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ive never played a 60, and im not gonna play clean a lot, think iof it as sleep terror, or cryptopsy, sumtimnes there a few little clean parts, but 90% of it is gonna be distorted.

i did playn the 81 85 combo, wich csounded pretty good to me.

but im stil thinking bout a X2N and some high outtput neck passive pu.

im still waiting for the prices so

It's nice to know that Ran is using Kahler now. They will make the cost jump up on Rans a bit but are worth every penny imo. The one with steel rollers and cam ( 2300 ) have a sharp bright attack while the one with brass parts 2330 ) has a darker smooth attack. The combo ( 2320, I think ) is the one that slayer uses and has steel rollers with a brass cam. Kinda a mixer of both tones, but the one draw back of steel rollers for me is corrosion. Brass doesn't rust so that is why I like them better. The steel rollers are not paint coated for better tone so they require more work to prevent locking up and rusting.

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isnt the 2315 the one slayer uses??

from the site:

The Kahler® 2315 “Special” features a 360HH Brass cam and 303 stainless Steel rollers for that unique heavy edged sound sound of Slayer. Chrome model comes in 3 hole cam only.

the ran plan got changed (mostlikely)

my dad knows a guitarbuilder in holland, a good one, he builds guitars for a shitload of famous dutch bands, and eh can build me a guitar, like i want it aswell, thats

warrior, neckthru, maple neck, alder, body, kahler2315 trem, sd pickups, neck and headstock binding, 1 volume,5way switch. for 1300

also, its gonna take him bout 3 or 4 months to finish it.

Wow man, give us a link! (if he's got a website)

yea please do, and is that 1300 euros, dollars of pounds

1300 euros (do note that thats without a finish, im getting the whole thing oiled)

another note, he has a 2 year waiting line, but since my dad knows him rilli weel, he is makign an exeption (he builded 4 or 5 custom guitars for my dad before)

i have a little kahler question though.

can i just raise and lower the thing, like a floyd, to change the action??

how does it work, ive never seen a kahler for real, but everyone tells me its the best, even the builder says so.

Yes, You can. I just did that to my KKV with Kahler. I didn´t do it myself ´cause I don´t know how to but it´s possible. You could probably do it Yourself but I´m just really lazy...

lol check this.

Hello Gimar,
the prices of your custom guitars are as follows:
Warrior, black see-thru - 1880 euros
Warrior, clear matt - 1770 euros


hmm, i get the same clear matt guitar for 1300 euros, in holland, in about 4 months
lol, sry ran

Wow. Darisuz's prices sure are going up. (unless he spends like 500 euros on the Kahlers!)

from what ive heard from the guitarbuilder that im getting my axe now, hes paying around 200 /250 euros for a kahler

and theyre 360 usd, so i mean, he cant pay more than 300 euros for 1, unless they rip him off

Ran are getting a lot more orders now days so of course the price will go up. I gonna order my next one really soon before they get even more expensive. Maybe the word expensive isn´t right when talking about Ran Guitars... They make great guitars to a great price!
And some news about frets... They got all kinds of frets now. Here is from the last mail from Dariusz:

The frets by Ran are as follows:
standard - Gotoh - 2,70 mm /width/ x 1,10 mm /heigth/
medium - Gotoh - 2,70 mm x 1,20 mm
extra jumbo - Dunlop 6100 - 2,79 mm x 1,40 mm

But from now, we offer also Dunlop frets: 6000, 6105, 6110, 6130, 6150 and 6230.
The dimensions you can check out on www.jimdunlop.com

There You go... But I still don´t know what frets I gonna go with on my next gutiar.. I´m thinking some kinda extra jumbo but...

what i did is i measured my frets, i measured the hight and width of the crown (top domed part of the fretwire) and compared it to the size chart on dunlops website. it turns out i have 6100 frets (extra jumbo), and theyre great, absolutely perfect for me. i think theyre better for people with big hands and want to shred.

i guess it depends on the size of your hands and what you feel comfortable with. but if your comfortable with your current fret wire size, then why take the risk of chosing a larger size. by all means test out a jumbo fretted guitar but just make sure that your ran isnt going to be the first guitar you try with jumbo frets.

Yeah, You´re absolutly right. I don´t wanna end up with a guitar that I don´t really like. I´m triyng to find out if i got jumbo frets on my BC Rich KKV, but i still don´t know. I gonna find out tomorrow when I get it from my local music store. He knows, if he don´t he can measure it for me. Than I´ll see which is best when I can compare them at once.
Sometimes there are too many options... Woods, pick ups, Kahler/Floyd, fretboard wood, fret size, neck profile, neck width, paintjob, inlays and the list just goes on and on...

Whoop, my Ran is ready, pics in a few days!!!

Sweet dude. Is this your first Ran?

2nd. He sold the first one on Ebay. I know you needed the money but I sold my custom Jackson tears ago and I have never been the same. I will never play that guitar again and I still miss it.

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Yea my second.

I ordered it ageeees ago. December/January I think.

Anyway, yes I sold my first one. I needed to sell a guitar and it played the least well out of the guitars I had at the time. That's the way it goes.

hey, my friend send a new pics this her custom sckib2 for your band coalition by ran guitars

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Wow I love it! You should wear a bloody butcher's apron when playing it!

Edit: Have you got any more (perhaps larger) pics?

nice axe man, i still think that ran logo looks ugly, i think it would fit a candy wrapage much better.

RAN chocolat bar

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sweet axe dude

but im getting a bit bored of all these Ran RR guitars, they look nice, but just so OVERDONE!

ahwell, i guess its just a popular shape

i personally would like to see more RG rans...i havent seen one...

yea RG would be cool.

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I wanna see more Thunderbirds and plain V's(not RR's, I don't like em as much). People need to look into getting cooler paintjobs like that grey flamed top on a USA Jackson Warrior someone posted in another thread....

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I wanna see like the black LP custom. Full multi-binding and gold hardware w/ the pickup covers.

u mean the black seethru warrior?? cuz i posted that

anyway, id like to see, euhm, id like to see my guitar when its done

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so are you actually going to get the warrior made by your dads mate then?

That was a normal V (white/red bevels) I believe, the wings looked symmetrical to me.

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ah rite, i thought it was an RR

but still, there are too man RR's, not that its a bad thing...

Ehh....I still like mine more.

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YEP , not the black seethru though.

just a warrior, jackson headstock, kahler trem, no bindings like i wanted before, just all wood basicaly, finished with oil to make the wood darker.

im not completely sure bout the pu's yet, i still have a sd invader and fullshred at home, i think im gonan use the fullshred for the neck, and then order a X2N for the bridge.

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If you can wait for about six months, I can do you that favor. I just don't know, if you like the result, compared with all the beautiful axes seen here, it won't "look metal", I'd assume.

Sure........

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MY custom ran would be between the two skib customs.
I like wich shapes and colours uses.

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are you actually getting an RG shaped ran? please say you are.

if so, whats the specs?

have you actually ordered it or are you planning on ordering it?

cheers
user01

Indeed, I've ordered it and it's gonna be RG shape. In fact I've made the first payment a couple of days ago and they're going to start building it on monday. It's expected to take about 6 months as I'm told, two weeks christmas holidays already considered.



Yup, the basswood stuff. And the price is 1380 Euros, including 30 Euros for shipping.

Thats gonna be fucking sweet nice pup configs!

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my GOD!
i am really looking forward to seeing that guitar, sounds fucking sick!
i love the pup config you have aswell, perfect for an rg

so when are you expecting to recieve this guitar? when did you order it?

lol, im probably more excited about this guitar than you are

I already changed my mind on my custom...here are my new specs.

Date= 9/9/05

customer= Jesse Rear

country= United States

e-mail= toastonastick00@aol.com

R_or_L_handed=right handed

body_shape=Other

body_shape_other=ESP Eclipse

construction=neck thru

body_material=mahogany

material_other=

top_wood_options=N/A

binding_top=yes

binding_back=no

binding_color=black

pickup_configuration=HUM

finish=snow white

finish_other=

headstock_shape=Other

headstock_shape_other=ESP Eclipse

neck_material=maple

reverse=no

headstock_finish=match body finish

headstock_finish_other=

neck_finish=match body finish

neck_finish_other=

fingerboard=ebony

fingerboard_other=

number_of_frets=22

fret_size=extra jumbo

inlays=none

custom_inlays=yes (specify below)

fingerboard_end=square

fingerboard_binding=yes

headstock_binding=yes

binding_color=black

nut=graphite

width=1 11/16''

hardware_color=black

bridge_system=Schaller Stop Tailpiece/Tune-O-Matic

tuning_machines=Schaller M6 Locking

pickups=EMG

pickups_neck=EMG 85

pickups_middle=N/A

pickups_bridge=EMG 81

control_knobs=2 x volume + tone

pickup_selector=3-way toggle

hard_case=yes

additional=I would like Iron Cross inlays like this.

http://filepit.freewebs.com/montyja...rxfretboard.jpg



I'd also like the headstock set up like this.



http://www.elderly.com/new_instrume...stock-front.jpg





Where the headstock says "ESP" I'd like it to say "Ran" in a similar font. Where the headstock says "Eclipse" I'd like it to say "Custom".



I would like the Controls set up like this.



http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/1152/picture4962xi.jpg

nice choice, except It would be wierd haveing the toggle be by the pots.

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I kinda like it closer to my hand as opposed to the top of the body. Do you have a better suggestion for toggle placement?

not that I can think of, Im just used to playing it up on the top on my les paul, but if you think thats gonna suit you better, go for it. I think its pretty cool someone is doing somthing differant.

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I must say, fucking awesome guitars you´ve got there! I really want to get one for myself.

Hey guys...I was wondering what's the usual "completion time" for your custom Rans?

My parents are going to Poland for the holidays and I can avoid customs shipping charges if he can have it available by Christmas/New Years.

Think if I paid a little extra he'd speed it up? I realllllly want a custom Ran and it's a very very very strong possiblity, i'd only have to pay a 1/3 of the cost..my parents are being very generous this christmas since the last few ones we've had to be stringent due to not much money coming into the house, and now that my dad has a source of income we can afford something like this for me. but I dont want customs to KILL me...

if it's impossible to have it ready by then, how much is customs gonna cost me?

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fill in the custom order form at the ran site, ull get an email back with the price for ur custom guitar, with whatever specs u want onit.

and building takes atleast 4 to 5 months i think.

anyway.. mail him, maybe u can make a deal with him bout finishing it in the period ur parents are there, u never know

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actually you can't avoid customs charges cause when your parents come back from the border they will get nailed for some duty, having said that though yes you could aviod the shipping charges, but its the duty that kills mang

oh and how much will customs cost you? most likely A FUCK OF ALOT

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so this will run me about $2000ish total?


fuck

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They might avoid tax duties all together, depending on the laws. Somethings are duty free. If duties do have to be payed it would not be much more the $100. I would claiming I brought one with me or not claim it at all. You come in with 1 guitar, you leave with 1 guitar. I don't know if that would work but as long as Customs doesn't look to close I'm willing to bet it would work. Most times they will never even check your stuff. If it all goes wrong just say, " oh yeah, I forgot about that guitar, sorry"

I've got a ton of stuff passed Customs by myself, some things not allowed in the US ( foriegn moneys, foriegn stamped silver and gold bars, Cuban cigars, booz, ect ), but if it is shipped then there is no way to get it by them. There is an invoice to see. Getting it by as personal belongings is far easier.

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if you ship booze what would mark it as on the invoice in order to sneak it in? a guitar lol wtf

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a bit more then 8 months if I'm not mistaken.

Honestly are these guitars so much better than ESPs that I want to wait 8 months , I mean they look bad ass but are they that good?????????

Read the whole thread, people ask that question all the time.

Would you rather wait a year for an ESP or Jackson custom and pay twice as much? The reason people get these is not because they look good (its custom, you can make them look like whatever you want) its because its full custom and inexpensive, and they play good. Even Soul thought they played better than his previous jackson customs. This has all been stated throughout the thread many 'o time.

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i'll second that, my RAN plays better than any ESP i've played.

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ok Dam , the fucker must be Hell-afide Bad to the mutherfugger Bone.
Cool. I like the explorer shape .

Well, Dariusz said it's impossible for a christmas completion time...and my custom guitar is gonna cost 1080 Euros, or 1296 dollars + customs .

I'm gonna talk to my parents tonight, hopefully they're feeling good and generous. If I can get $650 (half cost) and then cover whatever customs costs us, I should be all right.

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Do you guys really need a custom guitar? Why can't you just go for a good one? No offense, just a thought....

Yeah fuck it , im taking the money I was going to waste on that Ran and get a black Les Paul Custom

thats an interesting point, and the answer can be 100% EITHER way. no, you dont really need a custom les paul, but something like a 24 fret rhoads with say a maple fingerboard cant be found

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I was looking at the new trans black Dean Vs , I think its called Black Gold , they look sweet.
I have 2 Deans pretty good for the money.

Having a guitar that is completely and totally your own is worth the price tag. Oh yeah, I officially ordered my Ran on July 5th and Dariusz has told me that its gonna be ready (hopefully) on December 5th...so that's about a 6 month wait time...to whomever asked that question.

cool being your american , How much did it cost you if you dont mind me asking.
thanks

you and 104912830 people on this world.

my ran is a one-off. nobody has a guitar like it and there's no guitar for sale that comes close. that's what's so cool about customs, you can get any specs you want and make it as original as you want.

do I need a custom guitar? no, I have 'regular' guitars too. but there was no guitar for sale which had the specs I wanted so I had one made. it wasn't even that expensive if you compare it to regular guitars but you really can't beat hand-made guitars. the fretwork and neck just feel soo much better.

Def , They do look bad assed , I like the explorer or the V, I was kidding about the LP custom , Im thinking about going for it , Its a nice looking axe, How does it sound , hows the neck fast or what. You have EMGS? 81s ?

basically;

-great sustain and tone (mine is neck-thru mahogany with a fixed lp bridge)
-mine has emg 85 for leads (in the neck pos) and an 81 (bridge pos)
-neck is fast but you can get them in any profile you want, I basically copied a wizzard I neck.