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Old 2004-01-17, 23:36
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Old 2004-01-30, 19:48
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What the, if I can't buy cables at Radioshack(I know, they suck), where the hell can I buy that stereo 1/4 adapter 1/8 stereo whatever cord? And I've been looking for a DC 9V adapter for my BOSS ME-30, and I can't find one anywhere...I know a few of you guys have an ME-30, where did you get yours? That damn thing eats batteries like no tomorrow!
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Old 2004-02-01, 04:54
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you can buy the stereo cord at a bigger guitar shop that sells Pro-audio and stuff like that.
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Old 2004-02-29, 03:37
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I have run into a few problems as well. first of all, i have a bc rich warlock, metal zone mt2, and a Peavey Bandet 112 tube amp. i just got cool edit pro and and adapter cord for 1/4 to 1/8 inch cable's, however its a stereo cable and not mono, not sure if that matters. i set it up so its:
guitar->cord->pedal->cord->amp->adapter->labtop.
with my amp, there isnt a headphone jack but there is a preamp out and an external speaker jack on the back, do thoes work just as well as an output to a computer? The problem i encountered was i get a really loud humming noise out of my amp when i plug it in to my labtop. I can hear the guitar in the backround but the fuzzy and cracking noise is really loud. Any suggestions?
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Old 2004-02-29, 08:52
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Do what Grimbecile does and record straight on to the comp through Windows Sound Recorder.

You can find the songs at www.grimbecile.tk
 
Old 2004-02-29, 20:41
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This site is dedicated completely to PC recording. We do a lot of sessions right over the net, and turn out some good tunes. Come check it out, were always looking for new guys to come and record with us. No experience needed.

http://www.netband.tk
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Old 2004-03-06, 16:09
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Rik, is that Dar Dar's band?!?! Fucking weirdo...
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Old 2004-03-06, 17:27
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Yeah. I'm still trying to figure out how to post my music on here with a cd. Someone was supposed to help me out, but probably forgot. I already have songs downloaded on my pc. I know a lot of you guys are anxious to hear it as well as I'm anxious to get it on here. I'd appreciate any help..
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Old 2004-03-07, 10:05
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Rik, is that Dar Dar's band?!?! Fucking weirdo...

It's my fucking band, what the hell you talking about?
 
Old 2004-03-09, 01:40
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It said:

" have decided to release an EP, It will be called "The Darius EP". It hopefully will be out about december"

Im looking at doing this:

Guitar>amp>rp7>1/4 inch cable>line in>cakewalk. Is this all i need?
I assumed it was dar dar's band. God, man, learn guitar before even covering and Impaled northern Moonforest song... ugh
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Old 2004-03-09, 02:31
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It said:

" have decided to release an EP, It will be called "The Darius EP". It hopefully will be out about december"

Im looking at doing this:

Guitar>amp>rp7>1/4 inch cable>line in>cakewalk. Is this all i need?
I assumed it was dar dar's band. God, man, learn guitar before even covering and Impaled northern Moonforest song... ugh

I didn't cover anything. That crappy guitar playing is all my own work.
 
Old 2004-03-09, 10:26
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I know that, but i thought it said... oh fuck it. Now, will you answer my question?

"Im looking at doing this:

Guitar>amp>rp7>1/4 inch cable>line in>cakewalk. Is this all i need?"
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Old 2004-03-09, 12:49
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Fucks me. I recorded though Window sound recorder with a mic, the tr00 and kvlt way.
 
Old 2004-03-09, 23:33
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you mean the worst way to record? Well, i was wondering if someone ELSE could answer it; as in someone who knows what the hell that they are talking about...
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Old 2004-03-10, 18:49
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for connecting midi to a computer, almost any sound card will work. chances are very good that your sound card's gameport doubles as a midi in/out port

also, micing is almost always the best way to guarantee a good sound. if your amp's preamp/line out has a separate volume control (my yamaha dg does, but most ive seen dont) you can get a perfect recording by lowering the volume.

amps output volume that is generally way too high for your sound card, so it clips the sound, making it sound like ass.

mic it or lower your line out volume if you can.

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Old 2004-03-10, 23:31
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So that will work? Nice. And i've heard you can fry your soundcard if you have it too high.
a.) i was already going to record it at a lower volume
b.) im doing it on my drummer's comp so its on him for fucking anything up.

Thanks man.
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Old 2004-03-17, 22:20
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im pretty sure that it won't fry your sound card.. my roommate has been using his preamp out for a while now, and his sound card is fine. his recordings sound like total shit compared to mine (with independent volume for the line out on mine) but he hasn't actually messed up his sound card, it just clips the volume beyond a certain level.
 
Old 2004-03-17, 22:34
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Ok. What kind of settings should i use? Like i said, im still not too sure on how to go about it... its:

Guitar and loop>cable>line in>recording thing?

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also, micing is almost always the best way to guarantee a good sound. if your amp's preamp/line out has a separate volume control (my yamaha dg does, but most ive seen dont) you can get a perfect recording by lowering the volume.


I have a Marshall AVT50. I have absolutly NO fucking clue if i have this thing ^^^. Dont know if you do.
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Old 2004-03-17, 22:38
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This link should work. Its my rig, to let you know the equipment im using:

http://images.bolt.com/photoalbums/...OVKbdPksUJu.jpg

I hope that works...

Plus, my amp. You will have to zoom way in to see the shit.

http://images.bolt.com/photoalbums/...uWwC09Tmf4n.jpg
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Old 2004-04-12, 18:24
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do this:

guitar -> amp -> line out/headphone ->1/4 inch cable -> Mic
(I've figured out that if you record through the mic input, you get stereo recording)
Use the amp's distortion at first, then when you're successful later, you can try putting effects in front of your amp. (I've found that a Metal Zone+amp sounds too bright and soft [volume-wise] compared to just amp distortion)

To get a decent sound, you have to mess around with 2 volume controls:
1. The Master Volume on your amp
2. The Recording volume for the Mic

both of those should be not be so high, or else it will sound distorted when you record it.
with me, those controls are relatively low. You don't want it to be too low either, or else you won't be getting the maximum amount of signal
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Old 2004-04-13, 08:43
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at last i've managed to record something, but now i just need a good recording program, i just cant get the several tracks synchronized stereo.

http://www.immolated.net/Menno/heyjoe.mp3

edit: the damn link aint working, nihilist, something wrong with the ftp or something?

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Old 2004-04-22, 01:29
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The FTPs closed, and has been for a month.

Thank you much, atif.
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Old 2004-04-22, 06:33
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no man, my own ftp. wich i got from nihilist.

dont blame atif, blame the fuckers who wrecked it
 
Old 2004-04-22, 10:22
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No, i meant "thank you atif" for his advice.

And i didnt know about your ftp. you misunderstanded my post.
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Old 2004-04-23, 08:29
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stereo/mono

Hello, a problem situation here...
I record with GT6 through line-in.

My problem is: when I put three or more guitarlines on top of eachother, I start to get buzz and stuff... (problably because the minor noise from each tracks adds up)

I can't record stereo because it's via line-in (one line only). What is best in your opinion, for recording a song:

1/ Record two guitars in mono, pan one guitar 100% left & one guitar 100% right (each guitar through a seperate speaker)

2/ Record two guitars in mono, then double the tracks and pan one track 100% left and the other 100% right (so each guitar goes through both speakers)

3/ Record a track in mono but don't pan it so it sounds through both left & right channels (like 2/ but with a single track)

I heard most bands use the second option ('stereo') but I also noticed some bands doing one guitar per channel (as 1/), which is my preference as well. What do you think?
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Old 2004-04-24, 23:11
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This is how I record.

First I mic my amp with a shure57 instrument mic. The mic is plugged into my tascam 4 track which goes into my computer. I use protools to record it.
It works ok. I'm sure theres better ways of doing it.
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Old 2004-04-25, 11:26
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Yeah I might try to mic it as well...
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Old 2004-04-25, 13:05
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my settup is odd

guitar-amp-line out-fostex x12-stereo line out-mic in jack (i know i should put it in the other one) to cool edit pro v.2

all i have to do is turn on the fostex, i dont need to record on tape as long as its on the signal goes through
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Old 2004-05-07, 18:40
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Here's a sample of one of my tunes "Demonslayer."
Let me know what you guys think.
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File Type: zip blackearth.demonslayer.zip (687 Bytes, 104 views)
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Old 2004-05-10, 04:18
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zip didnt work dude....upload it again.
 
Old 2004-05-15, 11:16
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for some reason i always get a weird bouncie sound when i record stuff, its not the distortion either because i have the same problem when i record clean stuff

any suggestions?
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Old 2004-05-31, 22:58
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This is how I record.

First I mic my amp with a shure57 instrument mic. The mic is plugged into my tascam 4 track which goes into my computer. I use protools to record it.
It works ok. I'm sure theres better ways of doing it.


Does your amp have a line out? If so plug it into the mic input on your soundcard, you may need an adapter for the input jack. This would be much better than micing an amp. Or just spend 100 bucks on a line6 guitar port for your computer.
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Old 2004-06-26, 16:30
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Here's a sample of one of my tunes "Demonslayer."
Let me know what you guys think.

yeah man...zip file didnt work
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Old 2004-07-03, 07:03
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Question HELP!

Here's my problem: When I use the external speaker jack on my amp to plug in to the computer I get a lot of noise in the background. I tried using my BOSS PW-10 V-WAH (which has a noise reducer on it) to remove it and even editing it out later, but nothing works. Any ideas?

Also, in my band my drummer is trying to get a little setup for recording, since we always jam at his place. He plans to get a mixer; his mics would go in there and the line-out slots from our amps go to the mixer as well. The program he's using can only record one track at a time. Will this work?

Here's the site for the program we both use. It ain't the best thing but it's FREE!!!!

Audacity
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Old 2004-07-03, 08:11
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Here's my problem: When I use the external speaker jack on my amp to plug in to the computer I get a lot of noise in the background. I tried using my BOSS PW-10 V-WAH (which has a noise reducer on it) to remove it and even editing it out later, but nothing works. Any ideas?

Also, in my band my drummer is trying to get a little setup for recording, since we always jam at his place. He plans to get a mixer; his mics would go in there and the line-out slots from our amps go to the mixer as well. The program he's using can only record one track at a time. Will this work?

Here's the site for the program we both use. It ain't the best thing but it's FREE!!!!

Audacity

what kind of amp you got, my crate glx combo does the exact same thing whenever i plug headphones in it.
 
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when you say one track at a time, does that mean you cant mix it with the progam?
or just that you can only record guitar or vocals or drums?

as you should be doing it one track at a time as stated in the second line

generally what happens is first you play the song and do a room recording, which is a shit quality recording of the song as it sounds to the room, then you play that while each person records their little bit
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Old 2004-07-06, 05:53
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For recording (and since all my other amps are busted) I use a Crate MX15R combo.

When I say one track at a time, I mean his soundcard only has one mono input so we can't record live with everything on seperate tracks. We were thinking about using the mixer and just recording everything to one track, but the room recording idea you suggested sounds good.
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Old 2004-07-27, 00:33
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you guys, don't forget to turn off the computer monitor when you record! that's probably where you're getting the noise. the monitors messes with the magnetic blabla of your pickups.
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Old 2004-07-30, 00:20
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Here is what my friend and I are using:

Computer>line in>$19 Radioshack mic.

And it sounds better than anything Darkthrone has ever release (one of my favorite bands, mind you). Leech cakewalk from kazaa or something, and you'll be PRIME for recording.

Cheers.
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Old 2004-08-01, 16:49
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recorded some stuff with my goregrindband Eikel Eelt
www.satan.herejezus.nl
Go to the Eikel Eelt folder, some new songs added (incl. Art Fag cover).
please opinions and tips about the sound.
 
Old 2004-08-05, 14:03
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On the new POD pro xt's there is USB output for direct recording onto computer, anybody try that with like Cakewalk or stuff?
 
Old 2004-08-25, 00:51
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Go to the Eikel Eelt folder, some new songs added (incl. Art Fag cover).
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Old 2004-10-06, 21:43
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recorded on PC with one mic.

Number Five With A Bullet

bit sloppy at some points but its a bunch ideas thrown together for a new song. I like it. though the quality of the recording is shit
 
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Number Five With A Bullet

bit sloppy at some points but its a bunch ideas thrown together for a new song. I like it. though the quality of the recording is shit

listen to that shit motherfuckers!!!
 
Old 2004-10-08, 22:03
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Wow thats a pretty cool intrumental you got there Def. What amp are you using?


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though the quality of the recording is shit

Its not that bad.
 
Old 2004-10-09, 12:06
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thanks!

thats my practise combo, a crappy peavey bandit 112, but... it's hooked up to an MT-2 and an Ibanez RG750.
Its totally crap compared to my other rig, but I'll get recordings of that too sometime soon, this was recorded with ONE mic only and we played everything 'live'

it's an idea for a new song, working on 2nd guitar parts at the moment. also recorded some new stuff today but it sounds even worse in quality, I only had a shitty computer mic
 
Old 2004-10-09, 19:08
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This is an old demo me and my friend did. hereIts a raining blood cover song
Just one damn mic. We should be doing one this week because my dad's friend has a "amateur" studio and he said we can use it all day.It should be a lot better because my dad's friend plays bass and we dont have a bassist ..Well he's going to help us with our demo because we already have the song but not
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Old 2004-10-09, 23:40
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guitar sounds pretty cool, but the recording is crap and the drummer IMO is a joke or its just recorded that bad, I don't know but it sounds shit. and its only the start of the song, or the link is fucked

get a band together and record it decently!!

I've got studio recordings of my band too: www.insideknowledge.net/ataglance
 
Old 2004-10-09, 23:58
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yeah its only begining of the song not the whole. The recording really sucked because you can't hear the double bass and it was no mic.It was a head set mic.. Im trying to get a band together but no one wants to play with 14 year olds .We have 2 guitarist (including me),a drummer. No bassist. I was speaking to my dad's friend and he said MAYBE we can record tonight. It should be up by tonight or tomorrow morning. Those 4 songs are pretty good.Puts my band to shame really bad
 
Old 2004-10-10, 00:36
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well, I don't know how long you've been playing... we've all been playing 6+ years and all members where in previous bands... that demo has been recorded after us beeing together as a band for like 5/6 months.

anyways, you've got a bright future, young jedi!

man, I'm 7 years older then you, I reaaally feel like an old fuck now
 
Old 2004-10-10, 02:34
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ok we just recorded it.here
The recording is ok because you can actually listen to the drums a lot better.But my other guitarist couldnt make it because that piece of shit said that he was tired .So you can't listen to his rhythm parts so it sounds pretty bad . In the begining im suppose to be doing the lead part (which i did) and he's suppose to play with the bass. And my dads friend did a pretty good job IMO.Overall im satisfied. O and i have been playing for about 5-6 years.
 
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I've played this song AGES ago with me playing guitar, maybe I can get the recording of our old drummer... it did sound pretty decent IMO. we mixed it with angel of death in the end to make one big cover song of it.
the bass doesn't sound right to me someway, was that improvisation? ( isnt the tab is it?)
the drums sound better now, the double bass kicks nicely. though this isn't the cool part of the songs for the drummer!! (its the chaos part near or after the solo, I can't remember)

the recording is better now, but its still only the first little bit, the song gets interesting like, halfway... it's a good start though, now go for the rest of it!!!

so you've been taking lessons since you where 8 ? I started when I was 13-14 or something, so thats like 7-8 years with lessons, before that I was just pissing around, it doesnt really count since I couldn't play for shit.
 
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I've played this song AGES ago with me playing guitar, maybe I can get the recording of our old drummer... it did sound pretty decent IMO. we mixed it with angel of death in the end to make one big cover song of it.
the bass doesn't sound right to me someway, was that improvisation? ( isnt the tab is it?)
the drums sound better now, the double bass kicks nicely. though this isn't the cool part of the songs for the drummer!! (its the chaos part near or after the solo, I can't remember)

the recording is better now, but its still only the first little bit, the song gets interesting like, halfway... it's a good start though, now go for the rest of it!!!

so you've been taking lessons since you where 8 ? I started when I was 13-14 or something, so thats like 7-8 years with lessons, before that I was just pissing around, it doesnt really count since I couldn't play for shit.



actually its not the tab.We changed it a little. Thats all of the demo!!. We do have a couple of more demos though. I should upload some and post them.
Hey come on now our drummer has been playing for about a year or two so he can't play very technical stuff but i think thats the fastest he can play double bass. O and we have no singer. We are going to make an instrumental band. (no one can sing lol).Wooohooo someone like it . More demos should be up during the week. . Yeah i have been playing since i was 8. My grandma got me an acoustic so i started learning the chords.Then i stopped for a while because my hands were too small. So i started playing again when i was 10 or so. 2 years ago i joined mariachi to get better at acoustic . But im still learning scales on electric
 
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jezus, I wish I started out when I was 8, I would be a guitar god now.

oh, and those are 'recordings', you get 'demo's' when you record in studio's and bring it out on cd

Just keep it up and find some fucks to join your band, and ofcourse practise your fucking ass off! (yes... even the boring scales and sweeps stuff, you'll need it later on!)
 
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When recording straight into my soundcard, one side of the chord is plugged into send and the other into the soundcard.

The problem is, all you hear from the recording is the level. There is no Volume if you know what I mean. I can turn the volume up and down all i want, which should make my amp sound better, but it doesnt change the recording. All the recording is is level. It gives it way too much distortion.

Are there any solutions to this?
 
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because an mp3 is a compressed wav file, it wont compress more. The limit here is 500kb i think, thus you will have to find external hosting.
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at my home it's weird, i cant only plug Pedal > Computer, the sound doesnt enought loud... i have too plug guit > pedel > amp > computer
im pluggin the speaker out of my amp in my line in...

the sound isnt bad but have too do lot of mixing shit with Nuendo (cuebase)...

i can have something that sounds good...


and im makin midi drum with nuendo too... i've used cakewalk guitar track pro one time but it isnt that good...

if someones wants cackewalk guitar track pro or Nuendo you can add me on msn and i'll send it : castonguay@gmail.com

im searching a full version of amplitube le

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How can i tell what soundcard i have? (sorry if this has already been brought up in the thread, i skimmed it a bit.. )
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just wondering, i have a laptop (dont ask me shit bout cpus cuz i dont know) i have a rilli good shure microphone and i theres a place where i can hire a isolated room to open my amp volume rilli nice, so if i wanna record some stuff on my laptop, with a mic i front of an amp, what do i need??????

i read sumtin bout a guy having an external soundcard or sumtin

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Connecting CUBE-30 to PC

Hi,

Recently i connected my gear like this:

guitar -> cube-30 amp -> recording out/headphones of amp to the line in of the sound card

This worked fine until yesterday. Now the line in/mic of the sound card is not working and the sound gets crapy if i increse the main sound volume (this was not the case before). One more strange thing i noticed.. When all was still working, if i turned off amp and guitar and pull out the cord connecting recording out - line in from amp I felt a small amount of electric current on it?? Now i bought Sound Blaster Audigy2 ZS and the same thing happens again, so i'm afraid it will stop working if i continue to connect it like this. I still don't know what's the problem and why can't i connect recording out/headphones directly to the line in? Any advice is helpfull.

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Talking

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with what program can i record over something i recorded just before, and also lets me hear the thing im recording over, cuz i wanna do 2nd voiced solos over left and right.
im using ngwave now and i cant hear what im recoding over so i cant make the solo run nice, one channel is always delayed cuz i cant hear when i have to start

im kinda new on recording so the explenation probaly sucks

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How can i tell what soundcard i have? (sorry if this has already been brought up in the thread, i skimmed it a bit.. )


Go to control panel,-sounds and audio,-hardware.it should have a list of your audio hardware ect,you'll find it there.most computers have decent soundcards,but computers going on 10 years now dont have great ones.
 
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HELP..

with what program can i record over something i recorded just before, and also lets me hear the thing im recording over, cuz i wanna do 2nd voiced solos over left and right.
im using ngwave now and i cant hear what im recoding over so i cant make the solo run nice, one channel is always delayed cuz i cant hear when i have to start

im kinda new on recording so the explenation probaly sucks

hails

edit: okee nvm i got it now


cool edit pro and cakewalk..
 
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yeah i already got it

thnx anyways
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Isn't Cool Edit now called Adobe Audition? What kind of changes have Adobe made, for the better or for worse?

How would I connect a Laptop to my plain stereo speakers (which are already linked to the main thingy)
 
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Go to control panel,-sounds and audio,-hardware.it should have a list of your audio hardware ect,you'll find it there.most computers have decent soundcards,but computers going on 10 years now dont have great ones.


Mine is about 7 months new.. and it has a SoundMAX digital audio soundcard, do you know if thats good? it seems it..
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I might share a little something however it's simply recorded it through the PC mic a few feet away from the speaker.....most online friends enjoy it....I bet YOU guys are gonna be a tough sell!

A few are wav. files and a few I converted to MP3 format with a trial proggy.....can we upload sound files? I hav'nt seen a post/rule about it.....hmmmm
 
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So does anyone know how to connect my laptop to my stereo speakers?
 
Old 2005-02-20, 23:21
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go to an electronics store like radio shack and get converters, what kind of stereo connection do you have?
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Uh well it's the basic mixer, where the wires go into holes, there are clasps, you open them, then close them to lock the wire into place

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^ Speakers go into the holes above

Like that

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shit i dunon, there bound to have somthing at radio shack that will get the god damn job done
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Fuck yeah!

Yeah I'm stoked. I went to Maplin Electronics (UK's radioshack) and within a minute got me everything I wanted. Heres how I run my Setup now:

Guitar--BV60/1960B-----Laptop---Stereo speakers

Here's how I connected them:

Laptop to Amp
+Mono 3.5 mm Jack lead - 3.5mm mono jack socket to 1/4" stereo jack plug

Laptop to awesome stereo speakers
(My mixer has phono inputs with 3 different channels)
3.5mm jack to 2 Phono lead

Laptop now sounds kickass!

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So now I've got Adobe Audition and this thing looks really, really complicated. How do I start out simple and record stuff from my guitar, do I just plug the guitar directly into the comp. using an adapter?
 
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Use the Mono 3.5 mm Jack lead - 3.5mm mono jack socket to 1/4" stereo jack plug and plug it in to Red port on your sound card. Adobe Audition will recoginise it.Click on the "R" red square. Then you can start recording. Don't worry, I picked up how to use it within 30 mins.
 
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Meh a microphone sounds A LOT better than plugging your guitar/amp into the computer IMO.
 
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How would you do that?
 
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Just buy a regular computer microphone and connect it to the computer. From there open a program where you record and level the microphone's volume so it wont sound like shit.
 
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Ah I see. Cheers.
Does it have to be a really high quality mic?
 
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If you want better quality then get a better microphone. Right now i have a cheap 5$ microphone and it sounds ok. Here's an example on how it sounds.http://metaltabs.com/forum/showpost...5&postcount=223
 
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Ah cool, sounds good. I'll try it out.
Whereabouts would I need to position the mic?
 
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Well my microphone is some cheap headset. I angle it next to the speaker so it wont be directly in front of it. From there i mess around with ' creative recorder ' so it can sound even.
 
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Ah Ok cool.

Hahah Dame, it's BLS
 
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just wondering, i have a laptop (dont ask me shit bout cpus cuz i dont know) i have a rilli good shure microphone and i theres a place where i can hire a isolated room to open my amp volume rilli nice, so if i wanna record some stuff on my laptop, with a mic i front of an amp, what do i need??????

i read sumtin bout a guy having an external soundcard or sumtin

any tips hints?????????

Old question, but FYI I use and highly recommend an external USB audio converter: http://www.esi-pro.com/viewProduct.php?pid=10&page=1
Sound cards inside your PC pick up lots of noise from the internal fans, crystals, data buses, etc... Even a digital card can pick up these sounds on the analog input circuitry before it is converted. The inputs and outputs are standard line level pro audio connections, so a mic would have to be run through a preamp first with the proper impedance matching. These units can be moved easily from one computer to another and the sound quality is pretty much flawless. I use SoundForge to record with.


EDIT (Posted three songs/jams on website in signature that were recorded with this setup)

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I have cakewalk audio pro 9. I don't know if it's the same one you're downloading but if it is I can help you out
 
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I have Cakewalk home studio v9.0, probably different to yours, not sure though any help at all would be sweet aye, cause I'm totally lost, I've only had it for like ten minutes though, still reading through everything but for now I really just wanna know straight up how to record my guitar, ie: what settings on the program do I choose, what the fuck plugs into what etc, I need help and bucket loads of it. cheers.
 
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Ok, I got my guitar comin through my speakers, I can also record now, but yeh like everyone said, it's muddy as fuck, and it ain't real loud either, so what should I be doing...getting a mic?, screwing with something on the program?, please help.
 
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Just mess around with it for a while. If it's not loud enough you can always make it louder through the equalizer.
 
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depending on what you are using to record the guitar, you can clean it up a bit using that program, you can also generally amplify it a bit too.
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Cheers dudes!, yeh I've been mucking around with the equalizer and managed to get it louder, but no matter what I do it still sounds crud, the worst part is that all my palm muted notes playback real crackly and make it sound like shit, if I go and get a mic and just mic my amp the sound will be better than plugging directly in right? I'm thinking of getting one today, should I just get pc mic or a proper singing mic and use the adapter to plug in?

Also with the drums on Cakewalk, the session drummer is the thing to use right? I have written out some drums but I can't hear anything when I playback? is there something I need to change or maybe a better drum program I can get? cheers.
 
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I've never used the drums in cakewalk so I don't know. IMO I think a microphone blows the shit out of conncecting your amp/guitar straight to your computer. Get a proper microphone like a Shure sm57 or a condenser microphone.
 
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I've never used the drums in cakewalk so I don't know. IMO I think a microphone blows the shit out of conncecting your amp/guitar straight to your computer. Get a proper microphone like a Shure sm57 or a condenser microphone.


Yeh I thought so, I will be heading out to grab myself a half decent mic soon, see how that goes. What program do you use to create drums?, cause the cakewalk ones aren't happening for me.cheers.

Edit - doesn't matter, I got sequbeat, that shit is cool man, flat out blast beats hahahaha, fuckin sick!!.

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Anyone know of any other simple drum programs I can get?, I need to register sequbeat to be able to make an actual playlist.
 
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hammerhead rhythm station. It's ok i guess... And pretty damn simple

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