Every thread that I post in sucks.

It never fails, it always takes a couple of people to fuck up a good thread. This always happens to black metal threads in particular, but pretty much every thread I have posted (usually about black metal) someone has started shit with me. That's just how it goes. Also, Mayhem was brought up only because we were mentioning a band with bad production and I was talking about the PFA demo, which is known for its bad production. That's all. If you guys don't understand what each other are talking about, read ahead. Requiem was only mentioning a band with bad production, but added that they are not melodic black metal, in which this thread is about.

Vinterland

Check them out!

Dark Mirrors Ov Madness
Sad Legend

Lunar Aurora needs to be mentioned.

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Fuck Germany.

HEIL

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You may try Suidakra and Illnath

I've already tried...both are great bands, especially Suidakra.

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Ehehehe! Uhm you may try also Bal-Sagoth, but I don't remeber them very well, I've listened only to a few songs and long time ago. Also Ajattara use massive keyboards, but with a more doomish sound.

Ajattara are good but now what Bassbehemoth is looking for. I would recommend Vinterland.

Here is their myspace. http://profile.myspace.com/index.cf...iendid=66837388

Those are their older songs though. You ould like the newer albums even more.

You think you know me? You got a lot to learn! *cue reality show*

Vinterland, I've heard these guys before...I'm listening to their songs now, not too bad.

Blinded By Faith just put out a dvd, I wonder if it's any good.

Anyways, I still haven't found anything close to my love for Catamenia. I love how all of there albums are from good to better in ascending order.

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I know you better than I know my own dad, foo!

Well the only other band I can tell you is Stormlord and I'm quite certain you know who they are.

Check these guys out:

Niroth http://profile.myspace.com/index.cf...riendID=3111985


kick ass shit, just found out about them today.

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I fear you will never find anything close enough to them... 'cause they're unique!

Yo no suelo escuchar mucho melodic!!!
por q escucho PURO TRUE!!!!!
pero ahi buenas bandas
como

stormlord
limbonic art
entre otras

+HuIsO+
Pure fucking Black True Metal!!!!

English, dumbass. No one cares you're from Portugal/Spain/Italywhateverit'sthesame.

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I think it was Italian but those were good bands.

Ahahah that's not Italian but Spanish.

Anybody knows Hadiann? They have released only demos at the moment, I know only the last one but's very nice

Other melodic bands, even if they don't sound at all like Catamenia:
Windir, Kampfar, Enslaved, Menhir, Wyrd, Vesania, Inchiuvatu, Lord Belial, Epheles, The Elysian Fields (maybe some of them have been already mentioned, I don't remember any more)

ChthoniC, Melodic BM from Taiwan. Just heard these guys tonight. So far so good.


http://www.myspace.com/chthonictw

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They suck.

they dont suck. but, they also lose their appeal, pretty fast. i bought Seediq Bale, last year. couple of good songs, and i probably wont hear it again, for a long time.

I just can't get into metal with keyboards, don't know why, I just cant.

I don't mind keyboards as an intro, a bridge, or an ending, but when there are keyboards flaring through out the whole song it just makes it sound so much less heavier and gayer.

But check out Ceremonial Castings. I like this band because they put on killer live shows.

www.myspace.com/ceremonialcastings

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I have to ask.... what about the 70's, when metal was on the rise but everything was laden with keyboards? The keyboards are pretty sweet shit in bands like that. I'm thinking Iron Butterfly especially.

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Like??

My favorite 70's bands were Motorhead, Ted Nugent, Kiss, Judas Priest, and Black Sabbath. Not much keyboards in any of them.

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Once again... Dimension Zero

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Hmmm I definitely wouldn't consider them Melodic Black Metal. Melodic Death Metal, yes but hardly even that.

Oh well, that's pretty much as close to black metal as I'll get, I barely listen to any except COF.

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Shhhhh. Edit that post before a BM elitist comes in here and flames you.

Haha, I don't care... I'm mainly into death metal, that's just my thing.

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trust me, there is no point in discussing it with any of them. most of them dont know why:


some will say "its fake". and then i say "if i could afford a real piano, viola, varios horns, flute, harp, piccolo, bassoon, etc. etc...." and when you tell them that there are plenty of real violin and piano, in metal, they "just dunt liek it"

some like stuff like piano, but think it doesnt belong in metal... yeah, those guys dont know why either.

some think it, somehow, makes it less heavy? um, no. how heavy a band is, depends on the guitarist. if you take the heaviest song ever, and add in keyboard, guess what? OMGZ T3H GUITAR DIDNT CHANGEZ!

some dont like theatrical music. oh, right. *ahem* some dont like theatrical aspects, in metal.

apparently, some think a sexual preference has something to do with it.

in the end, it usually lands at the, dumbfounded, "I DUNT KNOE WHYZ"



edit: oh yeah, heres a piece of candy. i recently heard this solo project. as i was listening, i heard some chior setting, that sounded very dramatic. i then read, there were no keyboards involved. it was guitar, delayed, and reverbed, to fuck. sounded just like chior. so i showed a friend, who i knew, "DONT KNO WHY". i waited for it, and i got it "i dont like they keyboard". aww, guess what, pal, THERE ARNT ANY. "so tell me, what do you think of making a guitar, sound like a keyboard". "you obviously have no problem with guitars" .....h3.....d0n+......noe.

^ pwnd.

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http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...=20050505120057

first two albums are best

death to melodic black metal! aaaaaaarrrrrrrrrggggggghhhhh !!!!!!!!! fight for true satanic black!!!!!!

^ Hell yeah. Annoying noise that's supposed to be guitar with vocals that sounds like someone is fucking a pig ftw.

Edit: Oh, and the lowest sound quality possible. Can't forget that.

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Fuck off noob.

Listen to Catamenia or Vinterland and tell me that is shite sound quality.

It was a joke.

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Hilariously wrong.

may i suggest a band named ne obliviscaris. Very very good stuff, like early opeth except better produced.

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oh? would you like to explain, to all of us, just how some keyboard chords, following behind some heavy guitars, are going to decrease how heavy those guitars are? because if you were to send me, what you consider the heaviest song, and i were to follow it with some chior/string chords, i think it would be hilarious to hear you explain how it made the guitars less heavy. get the point?

Fixed


I think it all depends on the song, as to whether or not keyboards will take away or add. I doubt keyboards will take away from "heaviness", but I do think in the wrong piece, they will make it shit.

I have no examples.

i agree, they very well CAN ruin it. usually isnt the case, for me, but i know its possible, especially for others. the only reason this topic was included, in my semi-rant, was specifically because of what AtomicWaste said. ...being something that really just doesnt make much sense.

I do have an example now of bad use of keyboard. Time Requiem too often try to replace the guitar with keyboard in solos, or have the keyboards playing along with the solo too often, which is annoying sometimes.

sure. but that doesnt relate to the real issue (a keyboard making the guitar riffs less heavy)... although im not sure if you were referring back to that discussion, or starting a new. as you know me, i probably wouldnt agree that the keyboard is annoying. keyboard only enhances metal, for me. i WANT the keyboard to follow the solo, and i want it to dominate the entire song.

Well that's probably where our similarities end as far as this goes. I think guitar, bass, and drums are absolutely necessary, and find keyboards to be optional in most metal. A guitar solo, is exactly that, a solo, keyboards fit sometimes, but really I find that it just adds an unnecessary sound to something already great. Necrephagist solos aren't heavy at all, but I would hate them if keyboards were added.

But yeah, I really don't want keyboards to dominate most of the music I listen to. It would greatly upset me if Mors Principium est allowed keyboards to play the main role in their music, and same for most other bands.

None of this really relates to the issue of keyboards making guitar riffs less heavy, which isn't possible. I think the person saying that was being GAY and not thinking what he posted through.

I think we can all agree that keyboards can't make a guitar riff less heavy, but can ruin the rest of the song. Funnily enough, a bad guitar riff is much worse than bad keyboards.

I've got some examples of what bands a keyboad wuld ruin:

Decrepit Birth (brutal death metal and keys wouldn't work out)
and Slayer (thrash and keys could work, but it would take a while to put them together)

Here are some bands that woulld be better with keys:
Iron Maiden (Eternal Tears of Sorrow did a cover of Flight of Icarus and the added keys were the best part of the song)
In Flames (they should of had a permanent keyboard player on their first two albums)


So basically, all melodic, symphonic, and power oriented music is better with keys.us

Let us cotinue the MBM discussion.

a keybaord solo, is also.... a solo. and if you are getting at the fact that solo means one, or alone, this is still flawed because the only thing that actually stops, during a guitar/keyboard solo, is the vocals.


Sweet Pizza, from thrash thread:

i have a christian friend who finds as many christian metal bands as possible. he mentioned kekal, and i had already heard them before. they are pretty strange, and sound like black metal. he said they are christian. black metal does not equal satanic. death metal does not equal killing. black metal may, or may not, involve satan. death metal may, or may not involve death/killing. at least not today. these terms are used to describe a style of music. no? you see, if it werent such, why would there be such thing as "blackened death metal". is that not describing two, infused, styles of metal? if i hear a band, and i know it sounds like a black metal band, then i read the lyrics, and find no satan, they still sound black metal. i mean, do any of us even like the term.... white metal, anyway?

that was a really good post. I mean to me metal is metal whether its christian, secular, psychotic, satanic, racist, whatever. At the end of the day unless you are listening to thrash or power metal you don't understand half of the lyrics anyway! I mean I do occasionally draw the line if a band seems really offensive to me, but if they are still good musicians then they are still a good band. I may have a different view in what I believe personally and that may lead me to not listen to the band, but hey i listen to alot of stuff! I personally think alot of people reject some seriously good music because of the bands faith statement. I mean from extol to tourniquet to believer to mortification to antestor to kekal to rob rock alot of people are missing out just because they don't totally agree with the message of the band, but come on Im a christian and i listen to death,opeth,nile,iron maiden,testament,cynic, emperor, and borknagar (just to name a few of my secular favs.) and those people have no right to criticize good music because of the message considering the fact that i don't criticize their music solely on the message (please exclude when i first joined this forum i have changed alot since then so don't use that as a comeback or something). I hate the term white metal.

Btw kekal is kind of progressive black metal, may i also recommend drottnar if you dig kekal.

http://www.myspace.com/welterwerk

i can just feel the tendinitis

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decreipt birth could use keys they would just have to use them in a very atmospheric almost industrial way.

Slayer would just have to change arayas vocals and keys would fit in there perfectly fine.

As you can tell im a big fan of keys. i just think it adds alot of texture to material that seems not totally complete.

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Well if you want to be technical about it.

A guitar solo normally stands apart from the rest of the song, and when they do that, there's rarely a reason for keyboards to follow along playing the exact samething. Besides then it isn't just a guitar solo anymore, it's a keyboard/guitar solo. Which really isn't a solo anymore, it's the keyboardist tampering with something that was otherwise fine.


I don't know any guitar solos that need keys following along to make it sound better, and as far as I'm concerned there's not too many keyboard solos in metal that can't be enhanced by guitar, and more often than not, the guitar would do a much better job.

Lastly If a guitar solo needs a keyboardist following along, then it's probably a shit solo to begin with. Wanting is another thing though, but I never want it.

Forgot, I enjoy keyboard solos sometimes, just never when they follow along with guitar.

I don't know, white metal sounds like a decent name for a sub genre to me, haha. You make a perfectly reasonable and strong arguement and I'm inclined to agree, but there is something that stops me. Christian metal is for all intents and purposes a sub genre on its own, correct? What is the reason that Chrisitan metal is seperated from the rest of metal anyway? In my opinion it is because just like Christians themselves, it is reactionary. Was there Christian Black Metal bands in the beginning of black metal? Sure it's esstentially the same thing, but it just has that sublete (I'm sorry for my atrocious spelling in the post, I'm sick and recovering from working 11 days straight to boot), anyway, it just has that sublete difference from metal in general. It has a specific agenda of converting people to Christianity. I won't be as absurd as to suggest that Christians are the only ones that pull this off with music, but it's a lot more transparently contrived with them. So to me, it's impossible from there to be such a thing as Christian Black Metal. Christian Metal is Christian Metal. If it happens to sound like black metal, that doesn't mean it is black metal. So it's not so much that it doesn't mention Satan as much as it's Christian at all. I respect your opinion though.

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its true, there were no christian bands, in the beginning of black metal. haha, considering that wasnt black metal meant to be satanic? so these founders, did want to specifically be satanic, but i dont think the genre, or simplicity of the name "black metal" should be excluded from a group of men who are trying to play this style, but dont happen to be satanic. as a kid, i had to explain to my mom that "death metal" is a way to describe a style of guitar/drums/etc. what better than the perfect example... DEATH, the band. Symbolic, that album is actually about life. i had her read some lines, and she understood. ....i wouldnt show the early Death

it is possible that christian bands are more prone to the "spreading the word" agenda, but.... they are no more guilty than the satanic bands. it IS in their religion to do so, and it really doesnt bother me. i have my views, so some lyrics about satan, christ, or any other god, couldnt possibly bother me.

right on man, the music is what makes it metal, not the lyrics. I have seen many metal bands with christian lyrics that are on par with their mainstream counterparts and honestly there really isnt that big of a difference

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im loving this band i just came accross. its one guy. the live line up is him, and 3 members from eluvietie

Forest of Fog

nice stuff.

edit: you can DL that first track, on his official site.
i cant stop listening to that track

Just found out Helloween and Christian while listening to them today. Doesn't bother me, they still melt faces.

umm sympathy freaking owns alot of brutal death/black metal bands (check out insipid) i have heard and they are a christian band:

http://www.myspace.com/realmofdisease

As well as antestor as i mentioned before (check out betrayed), and they are black metal i don't care what ANYONE says:

http://www.myspace.com/antestorband

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hmm i didn't know that... whatever, hey wait i thought you didn't like power metal helloween is sort of thrash but lyrically they are so fantasy based its not even funny.

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they are quite good, i love eluveitie though. Folk metal is killer in all forms, ensiferium slays as well

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Time Treachery - http://youtube.com/watch?v=LjGkv4cb8Ps

they're a bit sketchy, but have good intentions. they should stick around, and improve. its a decent start.

Black metal is black metal, dont make more subgenres!!!!!!!!!!
HAIL SATAN

Cryptic Wintermoon.
Listen to "The age of cataclysm" album, form 97.

Good point.

Sincerely,
SATAN.

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I would listen to Dissection if it weren't for the terrible satanic lyrics.

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Come on Nick. Lyrics don't matter. Especially not for melodic black metal, it's about the atmosphere.

Great recent find.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auUzpECYscI

And of course you have the authority to demand this.


Go fuck yourself, you pseudo-satanist dumbfuck, no one needs you, stick to the Mayhem-forum. Spierdalaj mi stat, jivko.

And to BassBehemoth:
Well then you should réally check out Alghazanth. I'd use another song as exhibit, but I only found this one on youtube to be representative. Their older stuff had different vocals and more keys though. I became a fan of this band before ever hearing their music, reading the lyrics sold them to me.

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A pretty good "melodic" black metal band is Perpetual Dusk.
Have you ever heard of them?
Great band...for melodic black metal that is.

Hail Venom!!!

Thanks dude. I liked what I heard. I'll definitely consider picking up an album or few. Perpetual Dusk sounded pretty good as well.

I also dislike gimmicky black metal too..although that obviously hard to avoid and write off. I recently ordered The Funeral Pyre's new album, Wounds , as well as a few others. Can't wait for it.

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myspace.com/runesoftheevening this is the band I'm currently in...I know I'm a whore for this but I figured this might be up your alley. Right now all we have up are the guitar tracks and some midi drums, better versions w/ vocals and real drums are on the way.

someone mentioned vesperian sorrow earlier, love their music...great band.

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