Yeah i've heard this band alot and have come to a conclusion that they are just the worst band i've ever heard.

Gay music which is just random fret wanking and stupid techno noises with the most un-creative drums in the world.
And the vocals are just plain gay.

Here's a link for their site if you want to check out some proper crap.
http://www.thelocust.com/

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I can't find any mp3s on it, just some silly movie.

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I've hated them for a while now, but I think most of the people on here like 'em.

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How can anyone like these? I mean seriously they just create serious balls.

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The only thing good about is band is the song titles.

Daughters are WAY better.

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they blow

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i haven't heard them but yeah, they fuckin suck.

I actually like them. So flame me.

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Looks like I was wrong about most liking them.


No flaming only because you are a Gronibard fan.

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I'm not flaming anyone just cuz they like a band i think are fucktards.

Yeah the song titles are pretty funny, they also look funny and have the odd funny bit in a song.

But it's nothing i would call good.

I would say listen to these guys if you want a laugh.

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Havn`t heard this, but Im willing to bet its not half as shitty as some black metal band called apocalypse. That shit made me ashamed of listening to music.

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Entertaining live, but otherwise: annoying.

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The vocals are the most annoying thing. Whiney bitch voice.

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most people would have said just metal, but they sucked so bad you said all of music? dear god

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Holy crap, these guys are terrible.

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Haha, sounds fair.

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I wonder if any of the members of this band have read this thread yet







































p.s. If a member of the Locust reads this, you suck.

Hahahahahahahahaha

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They're basically a noise band. A few mates of mine listen to them. Its a bit of fun if you're drunk

so is wearing your girlfriends bra and taking photos but i dont think thats a good idea, either

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im sure they wont be reading this because they would probably have to sift thru mountains of worst condemnations from message boards and reviews on the internet even if they were so inclined to care, which i believe they most certainly dont. they are much universally hated by any press, but still bolster an impressive following despite. which i think is funny


i like them, the style of drumming is unorthodox which is something i alway look out for. an interesting drummer is rare campared to a skill one, no?

they, of course, are not without flaw. a part of what they do is bordering nonsense, bordering jarring,jumbled noise to actual music, this is quite obviously intentional from which criticism is anticipated. they are more an avant garde/experimental type of band.

heres a good quote from one of the members

"sure we love napalm death, but they already wrote Scum so we dont need to do IT again"

"so we like to waste everyones time!"

missing a part to that quote

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its a good point to be made of the current glut of clone black and death metal bands,gindcore etc. nowadays.

progression in music seems more viewed on how skilled and refined one is playing an overtly cliched and formulaic genre of music, as opposed to a different approach.

how does a band wastes one time?

"so is wearing your girlfriends bra and taking photos but i dont think thats a good idea, either"

tranny, say it aint so. i dont know whats worst, a band that dresses up in bug costumes that noone here seems to appreciate or a die hard metal "purist" who nonchalantly reveals his fancy for wearing female underwear

man the past few posts ive made ive been goofing around and they were taken seriously. im not a metal purist at all man, for example of i love devin townsend ( VAMPIIRRAAAA)

i just think this particular band sucks. i dig what you said about the drummer though, one of my favorite drummers is the guy who plays for Nasum...who are fairly unoriginal from song to song but the drumming is really intense

anyways i just meant it to be all in good fun

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i meant it in jest as well


one thing about the locust is they have reached that 3-4 album point<if you count all the split releases,vinyl etc.> where thier stuff has been sounding the same and there needs to be evolution<the first album was different due to there being a different line-up>. i felt the last release was a bit weak, the whole 5 piece classical music presentation bit offered nothing new beyond the moog/electronic capabilities. thier sound definately needs more variation

they may venture into that point where they are just rewriting previous albums<a coomon accusation is they already do>. plague soundscape is pretty much the pinnacle.

repeat listening is so-so, ill listen to an album a few times thru every couple of months. thier live shows are incredible tho,the drummer doesnt trigger. last time they played here daughters opened for them and it was probably the best show id seen last year.

I actuly really like them I got to see them at a local record store with about 20 other people and they just went off I understand that there music does get get kinda old after awhile.Dident some of them play in cattle decap or still do?

the current drummer of the locust<who plays guitar> and the old drummer<from the first locust album> originally formed cattle decapitation, i think the current line-up of cattle only has the singer as an original member now

No, it's actual music, just very free-form.

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Dont get me wrong man, i like noise bands. Its definately music.

Christ i have all of Sunn O)))'s albums in my collection.

alot of the scene/emo kids at my school are really into them,
i was at the drummers house and we were downloading cannibal corpse and suffocation like stuff, and his emo friend was like "you think thats heavy"
and he downloaded some locust song and........

i had to restrain myself.

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The Locust rules. Get Plague Soundscapes its the best record. Uncreative drumming? Give me a break.

And yet apparently many people do this as well.

I haven't heard this band. I don't really intend to listen to them in the future. If, however, it turns out that their music actually is the shit of this planet as consensus here seems to indicate, then at the very least it can be said of them that they are aptly named.

I actually like noise about the same as Doom and Goregrind (3 fav. genras). I was just saying I wouldn't consider Locust a noise band.

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Locust are a bunch of flamboyant gimps.

hahaha what do you do at a locust show? stand around or make an angry face or what??

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Yep.

Except the couldn't afford leather. So they made their own stupid gimp costumes.

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i like the locust!
but i like also 50waystokillme ( www.myspace.com/50wtkm ), so i'm an idiot anyway

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Yup, it was that bad.

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If they are a noise band then they are a shitty noise band.

Every band is a noise band. The Locust is just a bad band. No getting around it.

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we wear skin tight clothing,snort meth and have really effectively horrendous aerodynamically fucked haircuts, our dance moves are quite limited due to the poor circulation.

a wierd thing about locust shows is that people who hate them.......pay to get in so they can heckle them in probably the most ineffective and cowardly way ive seen. but they already payed??? its fucking stupid. this is usually the XXXXXhardXcoreXboneXheadXXXXXX crowd too.

funny thing is the locust usually shares bills with noise/avante garde-straight-outta-art-school type bands. its not like these guys came to see XXXXXtheinsecuremeatheadsXXXXXX or XXXXXXXXtheXstraightedgeXtrendyXassholesXXXXX. or whatever band thats music consists of and endless enthusiasm for the power chords.

another thing about locust shows, they refuse to play clear channel venues, more bands should do this if they know whats good for music

A lot of people do that. It's fucking retarded. I would never spend hard earned dollars on a band I hate just to heckle.

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The locust are gayer than dale winton getting bummed by david hasselhoff.

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dude, we heard you the first time. didnt you start this thread?, does this really need re-iteration? and from what i glean from your posts you do seem to like alot of black metal.

its a little hard to understand someone who digs bands that dress up like......you know, clowns in midevil armor <waving swords and shit>, in all seriousness,that rags on a band that dresses up in bugs intentionally to be rediculous.

and as far as the music goes,you may not like it, but the locust do sound like.......the locust. where as most black metal sounds like a endless series of Emperor rip-offs.

I'm saying what i want alright? if you don't like it, tell it to someone who cares.

So what if i like alot of black metal i like alot of different stuff i'm not one of these people who only listens to one type of music ALL the time.

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shit man,yeah, you said the same thing like 3 times, we get it.




fair enough, i had been trying to instigate a little dialogue, if you will, on why and what specifically is nature of that dislike to anyone who really cares to explain. this is,after all, a music forum....."bands" section.....and maybe we could get past the really creative and witty denounciations and explore,if you will, the.....ahh.....reasons.

i like hearing the other side,usually,on bands i like. granted if its a well thought out argument. i myself see some flaws that turn alot of folks off about them.

but shit, dont let me stop you from saying what you want. i mean,crusade forth and impart this crucial knowledge upon the world. dont let evil low-tech stand in your way.

when i think about the locust(s) , i think of two things:

why do more people know about them then good bands who actually care about music.

and why do people like it when untalented people make a mockery out of music by doing like bands such as this do, and calling it a "joke".

stuff like this is disheartening to a musician who actually cares. (me)

No i wouldn't find it dis-heartening if theywant to be so crap people laugh at them whcih i feel is generally the idea. The fine they can, laugh with them or at them.

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i cant explain thier popularity, they are condemned universally from metal sources to even the pretentious "art" crowd. but i think a large element of thier fans are definately people who are into the noise avante garde side of underground music, the whole "art school" ironic spandex wearing,mustash,mullet "art fag" fare<this is what they are usually labeled as, i have alot of friends from art school who arent like this>. these people arent metal fans beyond maybe owning some man-o-war,iron maiden or slayer albums.

and for some reason the locust are constantly typecasted as being emo-hardcore which i dont understand, this pretty much earned them blind hatred from the more tough guy hardcore crowd. how are they emo? i think it has to do with alot of people making thier minds up about them without actually listening to thier music.

so i think the major difference with the locust and the kind of metal you are refering to is that for the suprising number of fans they have there is an equal amount of people who hate them,an unnatural hatred where the band couldnt just be quietly regarded as being without musical merit and ignored. whereas the metal you like is either unknown or just ignored, unless people come to the shows you go to and try to pick a fight with the bands,these people at the same time paying to be there.

and the style of metal you like may yet to emerge into popularity. im for one not really familiar with the stuff you listen too, which i assume is the moreso the europen folk,viking element of black/power metal as opposed to the the more conventional black metal. i myself have a hard time with the corpse-painted warrior element with that style, its on par with bands like the locust in presentation, the whole "costumed gimmick" thing,except in my eyes the locust arent mooching off of someone elses look.



its avante garde, have you heard some of Coltrane stuff?, some free form, atonal jazz music <alot of jazz guy payed dearly for making it with alot of thier fans>. thats what this is but it has more grindcore structure and its precise<not even remotely improv>. the music is something that they take seriously, but the message and presentation of it is supposed to be "strange,surreal,abstract"there is an element of self-parody. most metal has a penchant for z-grade slasher movie lyrics,hailing satan or odin, the whole "swords and sorcery" kind of vibe. its all kinda rediculous at the same time.

ive been arguing with jazz drummers in a drum forum for about a week straight about this. to the outsider,extreme metal and bands like the locust are one in the same to them, no dynamics,all chops and shred,shock value musician gimmicks, technical music that lacks any musicallity.



you should talk metal with jazz guys, then talk about jazz to classical music guys. everyone feels cheated and overlooked about the music they want to do.

What about Wierd Al? He's a total joke, but he still kicks ass.

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Hahaha yeah

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...I love this band.

Criticize a band, not the people who listen to them (unless they have a sheepish following, such as Slipknot). Some of us don't limit ourselves to 'KILL KILL KILL DEAF METUL!1!1'.



Yeah, i find it pretty ironic that people will trash a scene, while they themselves praise another scene as if it was the End-All-Be-All. Trash The Locust, fine, but shove your black metal up your ass, you opinionated shit. (Not you Low-Tech).

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Locust fans I don't make fun of, but there are some very gay fans of equally gay music. For instance, Christian Hardcore fans are fucking douchebags along with the straight edge fans that try to shove their beliefs down your neck. Being straight edge is fine in itself, just shut the fuck up about it.

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I'm downloading plague soundtracks now.
It sounds quite good.
why all the hatred?
Just saw how they dress up,that's really funny

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ive played shows with some christian hardcore bands down south, those guys seem extremely timid to the "heathen" outsider, there was one show in arkansas where i wasnt even aware until the promoter told me, basically a house show in which there was really no other option to provide a bill that will attract locals including these sort of bands. these folks were very nice to me and thier fans equally so. i noticed the bands all sounded like coalesce or a lighter more melodic converge

so my view on christian hardcore is no different than the straight edge scene and all political hardcore. they are insular and prefer to preach to thier own chior and really dont do much to "spread the word"<granted these bands ive seen could just be christians and not use thier music as a soap box for thier cause>. straight edge hardcore already had about 15 years or so to dominate the genre only to completely alienate thier following with the whole "martyr act" "the holier than thou" approach to music. thats why now you just see straight edge people in bands, not bands like the strife,teen idles,h2O,earth crisis etc. the bands left from the 90s are moreso a shinning example on what not to do with your music, to sell it short in meaning by reiterating Chomsky,PETA pamphelets,minor threat etc. i think dropdead and tragedy are the only bands left that are good and political/vegan/animal rights etc that still do it.




the thing with black metal is its so elitist that its not changing,evolving,anything. its the most copied and imitated genre next to death metal. but at least with death metal there are some current bands that are good,offering something new imo. after a while this repeat imitation is refered to as "nostalgia". nostalgia was my biggest point when taking to jazz musicians "you guys arent doing anything i havent heard done 60 years ago". most genres of metal can easily fall down this road

and i think alot people who hate the locust to the degree of showing up at a show to cause problems hate change, hate anything to challenge the status quo within hardcore and metal. if you dont like them why create a thread to advertise them, if they are gayer than hasselhoff why are we having a discussion on them. they arent even a metal band in terms of the guitar work. "thou protest too much" as a very ungrim-non-kvlt-emo-art-fag shakespeare would say.

I don't think that was aimed at you, but sure, that happens with everything.


Christian Metalcore*. And yes, some of their fans are douchebags, but the Christian Metalcore acts are really decent for the most part (case in point, August Burns Red, and As I Lay Dying just to name two).



Yes, which is why I abandoned the label, and ultimately, started drinking like an alcoholic.
Being straight edge is a personal choice, and anyone stupid enough breathe down your neck about being straight edge, or not being straight edge, is an asshole. Doing it to be trendy is the dumbest shit ever, and those are the kids who need to disassociate themselves with the label of Straight Edge.

There are some really deep people out there with some true meaning behind the label. When I did it, it was because of seeing alot of my friends fall to drugs and alcohol, and because my at the time girlfriend's mother was an alcoholic, and I did it for her (even though she wasn't straight edge).

Yeah, all I'm saying by all of it is don't lump everyone into the same group. I interact with alot of the "scenes" that people usually stereotype as all douchebags, and 90% of them are good people. But like with every group (only about half of 'metalheads' are good people, i've found, no offense to anyone) there are the people who fuck it up for the rest of us.

Alright.
/end rant

edit: not quite:



Every black metal band I've heard sounds like they are ripping off one of the following bands:
Darkthrone
Immortal
Dissection
Emperor
Darkthrone
DARK-THRONE



"We don't like metalcore because they have the same type of guitar work as real metal, but with breakdowns. Which makes it UNCOOL!"

Seriously, go give As I Lay Dying a chance. Oh wait, its not TECHNICAL enough for some of you people.

Seriously, get over yourselves.

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Q. Why do Hardcore and Metal-Core bands hate Death Metal?

A. Because it is not trendy

Q.Why do Death Metal bands hate Hardcore and Metal-Core?

A.Because it is trendy

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You are a fucking idiot.
Most metalcore bands are extreme fans of death metal, tard-o.

Why do hardcore kids hate death metal? cause you can't dance to it, and you can't understand the vocals. Thats their logic, not mine. yeah, its retarded.

The lesson I'm trying to teach?
Stop lumping Metalcore in with Hardcore.
Two different styles, shared only by breakdowns, and the people who listen to it.
If that is your logic, then by proxy Death metal, thrash metal, and black metal are the same genre.

Exactly.
Stuff a cock in it.

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the metalcore thing is beyond me, i look at it as people involved in hardcore years ago taking a stab at metal while not wholly abandoning thier roots. hardcore itself being inert and is only being utilized as an approach towards metal. seeing it as something other than metal is the part i dont get. myself, a lover of older hardcore as opposed to the 90s-present stuff, make the case that its not hardcore even remotely.

a good example is the guys from unearth. ive seen those guys previous bands for years thruout the early 90s in the north shore of massachusetts where i grew up. they all were in really boring generic hardcore bands. somewhere around 97 i heard thier first unearth demo off of a cousin of one of the guitarists, it was metal. those guys got heavy into the scandinavian death stuff and totally formed a new band trying something new. thier efforts produce far better metal than the really musically limited hardcore which was thier forte for years.

hardcore and black metal have alot in common in the "holier than thou" message.they are good at alienating thier own fans. and the styles are quite limited so alot of fans,people who grew up on it are moving on to something else. have i ever mentioned of the huge mid-90s fallout where alot of BM fans and musicains turned to the techno scene? good example

You'd probably put Through the Eyes of the Dead in the category of metalcore, but they blend death metal in with their style, and I'm gonna tell you.

They are doing better death metal than most death metal bands are these days.

I never really got into the hardcore thing, with the exception of Terror and (back in the day) Hatebreed. The whole "i'm gonna kick you in the face" attitude them and their fans have pisses me off though, which is why i'd never really get into it.

Which is why I rarely go to metal shows, because I can't stand 95% of metal fans. "Dude, you don't like Dillinger Escape Plan? Faggot." "Dude, you like metalcore bands. haha, untr00."

Seriously? Half of the people on this forum, and in general, are no better than the Halo nerds who run around yelling "lam3r n00b."

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I thought Wolf Eyes was the gayest thing ever.

shut up.

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I didn't think it was I was just making conversation. Along with the following because I'm not here to fight or say "anyone is gay."


I think black metal not changing is the whole point of the genra in general. It was established in a way so it couldn't be changed. Thus, that's why everyone unintentionally rips off Darkthrone (or simply just rips them off).

I also wasn't trying to lump all Christian Metalcore or sXe kids, just about 80% of the one's I've personally encountered. I listen to music for the music not the fucking message. I mean, I listen to a lot of Goregrind, do I take that seriously? Hell no.

Metalcore people love Death Metal for the most part, so that was just a pretty false statement.

P.S. Wolf Eyes is awesome and they are even better live.

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Well man, i have just never met any, from the ones i have met (And i have met a lot) The Metal-core kids seem to be very fixed scoped about the bands they listen to.

Which is very odd considering in some cases Metal-Core is exactly the same as Death Metal except that Death Metal vocals are low and Metal-Core Vocals are high pitched

Metalcore isn 't trendy.

Yeah, I understand. I can't stand when people will make a thread about a band they don't like. Granted, I hate CoB, and I slam them when the chance arises. But I've got my reasons, other than "gay" (although I say they are gay sometimes, i give other reasons, and have given them more than one chance).



Five metalcore kids does not alot make.
The scene metalcore kids follow the same few bands, and usually their favorite is some random one no one has ever heard of. 99% them are legitimate with liking the music though, and not doing it to be trendy.


Yes, most metalcore bands are one breakdown away from being Death Metal. Case in point, As I Lay Dying. So basically the new wave of good metalcore is basically Death Metal, but more interesting.

And the vocals, you are wrong... sort of. Metalcore mixes the two (low and high), but the majority of death metal strives to be low and gutteral.




around here it is, but its mainly just a few bands, not metalcore in general.




Jesus I rant.
/end crap

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To say that The Locust aren't talented is just moronic. To play that style of music (Noise, "Gay" whatever makes you think you're more witty on a fucking message board so be it) live and be equally good as the cd, is fucking talent.

I like the locust, and i dont mind what anyone thinks about it.

When you think of it, "Death metal kids" are exactly like how you talk about "hardcore kids." Very anal, and very judgmental, not to mention ignorant. Which is sad, seeing how this is music.

My money goes to in about a year the 16 year old kid who started this thread will eventually get into this band.

The thing is too about this band, is that their very intelligent. No matter what drugs they take, or what not. Just because its not some cheesy fucking metal riff thats been played over and over by a hundred different bands doesn't mean they suck.

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Metal core isn't trendy??? Are you joking? i'm not sure if you just got into it, but about a year ago there was a big hype around that style of music.

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How can people think they are talented? They just hit random shit and make dumbass noises and to do it again and again really shouldn't be that hard. Because the people listening to it only recognise a certain few things the rest is just random hitting things really fast it would sound the same wouldn't it?

And i can not see myself getting into this band. I have tried to find a good point about them but have failed. The only good thing about this band is the fact they are good for a laugh. I have friends who listen to them and i'm not going to get into them.

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im not trying to change your mind but, you're blaming an avante-garde<noise is altogether different>band for being just what they are. this genre isnt for everyone so fair enough. this band was formed with every intention of not playing straight forward music.

after hearing some of coltrane's stuff, the locust are actually tame in this regard

I guess that is a point. But i still don't see why people like it.

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if they had retained the original drummer, i cant deny that i probably wouldnt really be that into them

metal and grind drumming needs to change from the straight blastbeat approach, it doesnt have to be insanely technical to compensate, just different. thats one of the virtues of this band in my eyes, very few drummers are doing anything other than just a self-indulgent display of bpms, some of it i like, but at the same time i know that more creative drumming can be done. drummers have an oppurtunity to really create a distinct sound for themselves within the world of grind,highspeed drumming.all it takes is to defy the norm, it can only make each band unique regardless of genre.

my liking of bands ,for the most part, represents creative drummers<some technical ones too>the avante garde scene is pretty much owning in this department as of the present. from the flying lutenbachers to melt banana. drummers with less skill<beyond wittie who sat in with MB>doing alot more. i dont even listen to noise, which is a closely related genre. to me, no drums, no fun.

i was just listening to some augury and maybe there is some hope for black metal yet, it just requires some people to really step up.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cf...riendid=4739176

Because its hard to play and out of the ordinary. No metalcore is not trendy metalcore is just metalcore. There are trends in all music, you can say that there was just a huge and enduring trend of technical death metal bands. So yes, in that way metalcore is trendy but so is all genres.

Yes, but I was pointing out that only a few bands are "trendy," but the majority of th INCREDIBLE acts are more unknown.



Wow, ever heard of an opinion?
Kind of like this board's over-whelming opinion that you are a fucking peon.



Everything is trendy at some point.
You have to be mature enough to say "I dont care how many albums they sell, or if they are the flavor of the week. I like their music because I don't let morons affect my taste in good music."

As opposed to Robbie-Fucktard who you could probably quote as saying "they aren't metal; l4m3rs."

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Good call on Witte. Everything that guy does is great. He's been making unique music for years and a lot of people don't even know about him.
Discordance Axis is probably the reason bands like the Locust exist.
I am more a fan of minimal (or simple) drumming. Keeping things with simple d-beats and blastbeats is, and always wiil be, great. Unless it's a Discharge clone that only plays d-beats for a fucking half hour, then it gets annoying.

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Hell yes it does lol you can only lisin to so many bands like discharge and disrespect for only a very small amount of time.Do you happen to like any
Brother Inferior?

I would disagree on that.As long as Thorns,Dodheimsgard and Mayhem
exist,there is hope

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Well not every band, but most.


I don't listen to them. But Discharge never gets old, just the clones.

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Dissection I'm an avid blink 182, Korn, White Zombie etc. fan so you're telling me about selling records,

O RLY?

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YA RLY

^ Formatted from top of head I don't know what the real code is so good luck to me for it working...

Guilty Pleasure: Panic! At The Disco (their entire CD is catchy and incredible, but the new single isn't their best).

It wasn't directed at you, but yeah.

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Anyone seen that band "Aiden"? Now that is gay.

gayer than you?

'panic at the disco',is now the worst band I have heard.My 8 yeard old sister has their music.

i wouldnt call the locust a guilty pleasure for me, a band that does come to mind is Orchid. the drummer is probably my favorite in terms of creative playing and using single kick.


if anyone here has ever heard them and then read the lyrics they'd know what i mean.

@ Problematic - No, not quite as gay as me but hey you can only try.

They did a split with Pig Destroyer, right. They never did anything for me, but not half bad.

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all thier splits were ok, nothing to really post about. but thier choas is me lp is amazing. theres still some stuff released i havent heard yet. im refering to that album specifically

I've got the LP Plague Soundscapes and Ep Safety Second, Body Last. The Lp's ok but gets really boring and repetitive quickly.

The Ep on the otherhand is quite awesome. It's not long (~10min), which suits listening to the locust and it's not just a blur of frantic video game and toy gun noises. It slows down and speeds up, having breaks between the more intense parts and it's really well structured. Of course if you find the vocals annoying, which is understandable, it could suck the first few times you listen to it.

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I have that ep it's quite good but still I didn't like it as much as PLague.

I have that ep aswell but when tempted to listen to it I go with an alternative method and shove my fist in a meat grinder

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eat meat.

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You guys can argue all you want, The Locust still suck.

For the mere fact that you don't enjoy them, not for the fact that they are "GHEY L0L!".



I enjoy catchy stuff for when I'm in a good mood, and don't want Suffocation bringing my mood down any. Thats probably just me though.

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Yeah probably. I listen to Nile first thing in the morning i would say that puts my spirits up.

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educated

uneducated.
Trash the locust? i didnt say anything offensive or uncalled for.

Metalcore is trendy in the popular sense of the word right about now. Saying 'all music is based on trends' is true, but it's willfully refusing to understand how a word is usually meant, which is the 'intelligent' equivalent of covering your ears with your palms and yelling 'NOTHING GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO TOUCH ME THERE!' over and over again. But you're right to point out that technical death metal is also trendy, within a smaller sphere.

Metalcore is also a weird title to me, as it's supposed to denote metal mixed with hardcore, but the brand of metal that is mixed with hardcore (usually thrash or thrash-spinoffs) is precisely the brand of metal that was created by mixing metal with hardcore back in the day. Not that it really matters; the name could be anything so long as the sound is commonly associated with it.

And timedragon: that has nothing to do with education. It has everything to do with conceding things in an argument. Since you're the king of not conceding anything in an argument and pushing it long beyond its limits by taking and meaning everything personally, you're not exactly the person who should be criticizing Dissection for being a little bitch. Which is not to say that somebody shouldn't do it.

So is this band the worst or not? Are they genuinely avant-garde noise of the good variety or a bunch of crap?