Ok, some drummers get alot more credit than they should. Feel free to argue but don't turn it into a "THIS DRUMMER IS BETTER THAN...!!11!!!1", or it will get closed really fast.

I would have to go with Flo. Everybody worships him, yet his playing is sloppy as hell, and his drum kit sounds horrible. His playing is very annoying to me.

And John Bonham. He's rated as one of the top drummers of all time, yet he didn't do anything special. He didn't do any cool rudiments or fills, it was just modern playing. I read in a magazine once " Yes, anybody can play that Zeppelin song, but could anyone else could have come up with that drum part?". Fuck that.

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fuck bonham, he sucks. thats about all i can think of for overrated drummers though, i agree with flo, hes sloppy as hell. his snare rhytms ATROCIOUS

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bonham changed the drumset, he had huge customized sets, deep toms,bigger bass drums. the industry change since after to make bigger kits, gongs,double bass kits and so on. so i think part of his legacy was his sound being influencal along with his skill. overrated.......i dont know, the guy had the "presence", people could tolerate hour long drum solos whereas other drummers would be written off as pretensious, ego inflated show offs. he also knew when to hold back, he played what made the song sound good, not just playing showy fills at the end of every measure. a final note is he died young, so there are alot of what ifs about how he would evolve as a drummer.
i personally wasnt really much into led zepplin when i started getting into hardcore,grind,metal. but over the years im really getting to appreciate them. but i can see in the context of the mans skill some can make the claim.


i think neil peart is overrated, for the last 20 years he is regarded as the fucking ayahtollah of all things drums by magazines. and i say this in kind coz i like early rush and i think hes a damn good drummer, its just hes been touted as the end all be all no questions asked. i realized this when he did "the burning of buddy rich" album. i saw documentary footage of him doing one of buddy's big band songs......after i had watch about an hour of a buddy rich documentary. he threw down a very simplified reindition of the drums whereas you'd expect something no less than a note by note, beat by beat cover. it was so dumbed down its not even worth a listen. i also watch other drummers contribution recording/preforming with buddy richs old band and they did a far better job, i cant emphisize how much better the others were. the actual songs buddy did are not the most complex thing in the world for those with a modest swing experience, buddy always played straightforward big band stuff. he was far from progressive in terms of musical style.

lots of people say lars ulrich is overrated, but i like his playing. and he was always compared to popular hair metal drummers of his time when metallica first made it. he was a run of the mill thrash drummer, but compare a run of the mill thrash drummer to anyone making mainstream so called "heavy metal" ie glam rock crap and yeah he'll seem like bruce fucking lee compared to tommy lee and whoever played for warrant,skid row,def leperd,ratt,slaughter etc

1. he sucks
2. he sucks live
3. hes a prick. i saw them live and he is one of the biggest fucken douchbag drummers ive ever seen. "HEY DO YOU WANT MY STICKS!!!!! WELL TO FUCKEN BAD IM GONNA SPIT ON YOU INSTEAD" --lars. he would actually hold out his sticks just out of reach of the crowd and then pull them back and fucken spit on them!!! [/rant]

Yeah, I agree with you low-tech. He had that big ass bass drum. His kit always sounds huge on the Zeppelin recordings. I just hate seeing him on the top 100 drummers of all time list. The top 100 list is basically just popularity, not skill.

Lars is an ok drummer. He is in no way overrated. Everybody just thinks hes an asshole so nobody talks about him much.

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when metallica first went mainstream everyone thought he was this super technical genius coz of the double pedal. it was kinda new to the MTV generation. nowadays i wouldnt be suprised if they play to tapes

I think metallica in general are way too overated...sorry that was a bit off topic, but oh well.

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I think lars is overrated. Also, joey jordison is a bit overrated.

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Lars isn't overated


No one in metal thinks he is good!!!


Flo is soooo not overated, when I watch his solos he does some seriously SICK shit!!!

John Bonham gave us the John Bonham triplet....

The person I reckon who is most overated would be well, not alot of people really, mainly because drummers that are shit, most people think are shit and drummers that are good, most people think are good, there aren't too many drummers who play stuff that makes me go hmmm I could play that, yet everyone hails as great!

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The reason he's overrated is because he's the best drummer that all the nu-metal kids listen too.

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I agree with everyone who said Flo.I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks his playing is way overrated.Also alot of my friends worship Frost from Satyricon,I've never really seen whats so great about him.

EDIT: Oh and all the bm cunts who think Hellhammer was the best ever.I own the live album and let me tell you,that is the sloppiest drumming I've ever heard.

I Love Frosts drumming, it is really heavy and the dude has some nice breakdowns! also check his stuff in 1349, more blasting and more brutal




Hellhammer is a fucking monster dude!!! have you heard him play Jazz? he fucking kicks major ass, he does stuff like push pull blasting (VERY hard to do) and other crazy shit, I have seen perfomances of him where he is tight as fuck and pulls out the tech shit like no one!!!

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Mike Portnoy is pretty overrated, I don't like him much

i hate mark portnoy, i dont why........i just do

i think the slipnot drummer is good its just his talents arent exactly utilized, then again i never listen to slipnot beyond when switch it off the radio, and oh yeah, that rollerball movie.

kieth moon, drummer of the who is far overrated, never really liked the who anyways. the dudes been immortalized like john bodham but ive never seen nor heard anything from the guy that warrants it. i see footage of him behind 30 piece drumsets but i never hear all those drums being used in who songs. the only thing i saw that impressed me was when he blew up his bass drum and nearly killed the other members. maybe he gets cool points for chainsawing hotel rooms to pieces, being insane and a notorious alcoholic, thats about it. ive seen tommy and quadraphenia<however the fuck you spell it>solid drummer at best...........a legend, hell no.

fuck that i love flo haha but yeah i dont wanna get into any gay ass e-fight

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Flo is alright, But Portnoy sucks in my opinion

FUCK YOU, YOU FUCKER!!!1!! YOU BIG MEANIE!



Anyways, Mike Portnoy gets on my nerves sometimes. He's ok, but alot of Dream Theatre fans are obsessed over him.

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peter criss sucks the big one
lars blows
Tommy aldridge ,Dave Lombardo ,Neil Peart , and vinnie paul on the other hand rule.

Fuck you Bonham was great. Not Jason he sucks John was awsum as was keith moon

Dave Lombardo is Underrated....When i'm talking with people about drums no one ever mentions him...And than I mention him and they go, whos that?...I think he is an amazing drummer with a very unique style....Deserves more credit than what he gets

Now that would be interesting,I had no idea he played any type of jazz.

Ulrich is over rated.
joey is under rated.
portnoy deserves his high rating. not for his dream theater stuff, for his drum workshop stuff.
and buddy rich can pound a few

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Jazz is the reason HellHammer is so fucking mantis, He used to get home and practice solid Jazz for 3 Hours a day!!!! that is why he is so awesome today!

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He's not underrated at all. Ask any metal drummer who their biggest influence is in drumming, theres a 75% chance its Lombardo.

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Ya but I mean try asking someone who doesn't listen to metal about Dave Lombardo and I bet they won't have a clue opposed to if you ask them about someone like Lars Ulrich (who by the way is OVERRATED) they would most likely know who he is...Thats all I mean

metal musicians are usually denounced/condescended by the industry,magazines, by music school students,teachers and so on, especially hippy, blues band "weekend warrior" types. from a drummers point of view, things like thrash, blastbeats and the sheer bpm of most death/black metal/grind etc songs makes the blues foggee crowd, jazz geek authorities insecure. its a fundimentally different emphisis of percussion, one thats not easy. a complexity not seen since the jazz era. the bar has been raised over thier heads and alot of these naysayer people,magazines, music school authorities know it. i know im generalizing but thats what i gather from reading music mags, talking to musicians, reading on the net, drum forums etc. you have a small crowd of older drummers,musicians who embrace this relatively new way of playing overwhelmed by a resentful,insecure crowd of people who worship Bonham, Moon, buddy rich, art blakey,neal peart,max roach etc and easily dismiss anything related to metal, they dont even wanna give it a listen. ironically most metal drummers are the most open about appreciating the other styles and are only met with contempt by dudes who play weak ass back beats and consider that "dynamics"

Joey Jordison is so fucking overrated.
I dont actually care when its just a bunch of kids going "j0eY r0o0xXx" but when you read drum magazine and find hes got the "best drummer in metal" award, thats when I get quite angry

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Joey is actually a REALLY good drummer, I rate him up there, he isn't quite a Derek Roddy or a Flo, but he is up there, just because he doesn't blast constantly doesn't make him any less good, his playing suits his style (slipknot) but outside that he is really good.

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i agree, when he filled in for ulrich at download festival '04 I felt it would be better for all if he was a perm replacement. On that note, he'd probably do better voc's as well. and his face is prob less synthetic, mask and all,than hetfields.

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Paul Mazurkiewicz is fucking dull, I don't know if anyone rates him as good though.

Worst drummer, hey? Hmmmmmm what about, Cryptopsy guy, [dunno the name] and, lets see, and, fuck why I cant think of any? Maybe the FF guy.

And an awesome drummer is AiwarikiaR,

Low-Tech, your post should be made into a poster, and then put in the drum room of every Guitar Center ever.

Hmmm i'm surprised about calling Flo as an overrated drummer...
Sure on some parts he sounds sloppy (mainly the very fast ones)
But the main thing is he sounds very ... human and he grooves like a bastard.
Listen to all the new death/black and whatever metal records out there.
Most of them has a drumsound triggered like hell (new cryptopsy too unfortunately) and sounds tight like hell.
But don't forget the way of a production.
Most bands uses pro tools to correct every sloppy notes and wrong lines.
Fear factory without pro tools would sound like shit (nothing against them...)
So you can only make your opinion by seeing a live performance.
I saw cryptopsy live (some years ago) but there're definately great musicians no doubt.

About paul from CC.
Ok he don't have many ideas and always playing the same but
first: he's tight like hell live and together with his drum-style the CC sound we know was born (you know what i mean...)

About lars ulrich.
Definately overrated as a drummer.
But together with james they were the best songwriting team in the 80's.

So you see there're other important things to think about IMO

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This is right on the money and I'd extend it to musicians in general who play extreme metal. The whole "That's just noiz00rz!" attitude grates me at times as people, while holding their right to not like the music, still fail to acknowledge the skill involved. OK hotshot, put your "Oasis for beginners" tab book down and you play it.

Robert: I've seen Fear Factory live and Raymond pulls everything off perfectly. His kick drumming is very accurate.

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the old proving grounds..........i love trolling the drum department and gravity blast on the electron kits, i love the show-off enviroment, sometimes the oldtimers come in and rip and its cool to watch. since i dont have the rudiment power of alot of the jazz style players i enjoy watching them.

anyways, the guy who plays for system of a down, the whole band really. i heard a hit song not long ago that had the weakest blast part i ever heard, weaker than that darkthrone guy.

a guy i dont like is mitch harris,former drummer of napalm death. awesome drummer, the man acted like he invented the wheel,egomaniac. i dont understand half of what the fuck the dude says, he speaks that brand of cockney english thats all cock and no english. hes as bad as the trailer park gypsy guy in the movie snatch. says something about being "chauf" and tells the interviewer he is the faster drummer,most skilled on earth. i have a napalm live demo split with carcass, its the most lo-fi shit i ever heard in my life, not worth the 8 bucks i paid. would almost be bearable to listen too if fucking he didnt talk soooo much shit inbetween songs, dude ruins the whole set

Derek Roddy is overrated.

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THEMS FIGHTIN WORDS!

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Derek is AWESOME!!!

and a really nice guy!

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Roddy is definately not overrated. His instructional videos and live performance are wayyyy better than on the last 2 HE albums.

Joey is overrated and so is Steve Asheim(Deicide). Vader's new drummer is slightly overrated but he's gotten a lot better(I saw them live this Monday and he definately showed a lot of improvement from a few months ago). Pete Sandoval really keeps it together, he's by far a really kick ass drummer. I mean... fuck, go listen to Terrorizer, just before he went on with Morbid Angel and keep in mind he only used a single bassdrum.

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I know. But i was talking about the whole production like on "demanufacture" for example. You'll never get such a sound without pro-tools in my opinion.
This was not meant for the drums only. Everything sounds like a machine.
It's hard to explain. Raymond is sure some bastard of a drummer without a doubt.

But i can't believe that someone thinks that Derek Roddy is overrated????
Ahhhhhh what i'm doing here?
I'm a guitarist so i better go to where i belong hahaha

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When I saw Hate Eternal live, they were pretty bad.

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Paul from Cannibal Corpse is pretty bad I think.

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Anybody can post in this thread. You don't need to be a drummer to think a drummer is overrated.

I think Paul is a good drummer. Doesn't do too much exciting stuff but his playing fits the music perfectly.

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George Kollias. Sure he's fantastic behind the kit, but often I've seen people treat him like he's the best thing that happened to Nile, whereas Laureno and Hammoura (sp?) were better.
overated doesn't have to mean bad

People worship kollias cause he is so young!!!! and to step up and fill the shoes of drumming for nile for one so young is absolutley nuts!!! add to that George does some pretty sick drumming in AOTW!!

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as nasty as vinnie paul is he is way to overrated. not hating on him at all jsut saying that he is way to overrated.

yeah, I think they are both better songwriters than players. IMO Metallica lost their most talented players early -burton and mustaine. Maybe thats why each album got progressivley worse.

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i was never really a big pantera fan

alot of people giving the mastadon drummer props for doing way to many drumfills, i wasnt really impressed tho and thought their newest album sucks

Agreed. I`ve seen two bootlegs of hate eternal live, and dereks drumming is flawless all the time.

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After seeing the videos on George Kollias' webiste, I'm convinced. He's the best fucking drummer ever. The video of CDtH is insane!

I prefer Laureano to Kollias, but George is still a beast behind the skins.

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I agree completely.

Hey,

I think that the Mastodon drummer was in Today is the Day?

On the album Sadness Will Prevail. Wow, if that is so, he is quite awesome, I'd rave about him too in that case, flawless and awesome, EXTREMELY unique, wow! Listent and go buy that album.

But in anyway case, if its' not that same one, well, buy that album, drums still rule either way.

I dont think Mike portnoy or Joey jordison are overrated, Mike portnoy is actually amazing at what he does, the time sigs, insane fills, and joey is very good to, just because he is in slipknot, people try to shut that out..

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mike portnoy is good but he overuses IMO splits (y'all know the RhLhRfLf kinda fill) but yeah he is good!

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Lars Ulrich he's a noob anyway.

I don't think just because he is in slipknot he is "shut out." I think half the people in here are in the right mind to notice talent regardless of the music. In my opinion, he IS overrated though, like someone else said, him being in the top 10 or whatever for best metal drummer, that's bullshit, apparently none of the voters peaked under the blankets to see what other GREAT drummers were hiding. I don't think Flo or Derek have the assistance of 2 other drum players to add to their sound ike joey does. I saw Flo in october and i must say, his playing was a tad sloppy at times, but he IS an amazing drummer! overrated Flo is not, it's just he is talked about so much that I think people get the impression he is overrated. He's amazing.

Oh yeah and By the way, Raymond Herrera from Fear Factory is kick ass

one more thing, if you wanna hear a pretty sweet drummer, check out Domination Through Impurity or Lust of Decay. Jordan Varela is amazing (a little off topic )

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John Bonham basically opened up the door for metal drumming. Regardless of whether or not he should be considered overrated, he changed the way drummers played. For the better, if we're agreed that we like metal drumming. If we're not, let's move that to another thread, shall we? But yeah, he's probably overrated.

Joey's too high profile not to be overrated. Same with Portnoy. When I saw the Gigantour, everybody who was in the 'pit' was only there to cream their pants over stolen glimpses of Portnoy's kit. Remember that 'overrated' is not equal to bad; it just means given more than their due. Joey Jordison is very good, but he's not world class and treated as though he is. Thus, overrated.

Some others:
Nick Barker
Richard Christy
Flo Mournier
Derek Roddy (actually he probably isn't, but he limits himself severely when it comes to extreme metal)

That's about all I have. I'd probably have a longer list of underrated. Remember, I'm not saying any of these players are bad, just that their talents are not commensurate with their reputations.

Nick Barker overated?

dude come ON! I love his drumming and so does every other metal drummer I know loves his style, he is not overated! he has good groove and feel!

Flo isn't overated the man is a beast, whether or not you think he is sloppy (try playing his drum parts and see what the meaning of sloppy is, in fact I am quite a fan of his style because it itsn't mechanical and precise, it is human and full of feeling etc.)

Derek plays what he needs to play for the band, which in Hate Eternal is his style of constant blast etc, and even that is always tight as fuck.

Richard Christy, come on the dude played for death, which means playing Gene Hoglans parts! I quite like his drumming too!

I understand that you do not think they are bad, but I think all of these guys worked their asses off to earn their reps and I think they fully deserve them!

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Regarding Joey: I don't know anyone who thinks he's somehow a god or a super-human drummer. It's plainly obvious he's not in the league of the absolute elite that we could all list. Thing with him is that his style of drumming is within reach of a normal person in the bedroom or basement. I don't like Slipknot either, but I think as an "everyman" drummer Joey is among the best.. along with Lombardo, Kevin Talley etc. They're not doing anything that's beyond the reach of any of us, but the groove and style they play with makes them stand out.

As far as people like Flo, Barker, George etc etc go, I don't like them much because I don't like the music. If anything, I think the music is overrated, but you can't possibly overrate the hours and hours of practice, the dedication, the innovation etc that they put in.

Just a note about Derek Roddy - I've only recently started lurking about in his forum and I've been MASSIVELY impressed by the points he's been making lately about technique not being the be-all and end-all of playing. It's the most common sense I think I've ever heard (read) about the faster and more extreme aspects of drums. I think I'd go as far as to say anyone who hasn't read it probably underrates him.

"Just a note about Derek Roddy - I've only recently started lurking about in his forum and I've been MASSIVELY impressed by the points he's been making lately about technique not being the be-all and end-all of playing. It's the most common sense I think I've ever heard (read) about the faster and more extreme aspects of drums. I think I'd go as far as to say anyone who hasn't read it probably underrates him."

i recently saw some instruction footage where he does latin groove, hand/foot independence,some solos etc. the man has skill that exceeds his reputation of a metal drummer. i havent been to his forum but i concur upon the footage alone that he more seems to be underrated, hes alot more well rounded than alot of people know

Yeah that fill is sometimes overused when people know it, but it sounds good in the right places.

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Yup Derek rules. Whats your name at his forum by the way?

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I haven't joined it, I'm just lurking about in the shadows. But if I do join it'll be as Jimmers.

The technique thing in particular has made me warm to the dude more than I ever expected I would. I have trouble fitting in time to practice and when I do I'm governed by noise levels etc, and so (understandably, I suppose) I'm always on the look out for the magic technique - the quick fix solution. Like some overweight, lazy slob on a miracle cure diet. I've spent ages looking at other drummers' videos and forum stuff explaining this technique or that, and often think that it'll be THE ONE to break the spell; that I'll be able to watch Bostic or whoever, then just sit at my kit next Thursday night, wiggle my little toe and 210bpm will flood out.

It's no secret that the only answer to these things is practicepracticepractice, but I've been fooled into thinking that what I was practicing was wrong; that I needed to adjust my stool the same way Lombardo does; or wear the same shoes as Tim Waterson does; or make the same face that Hoglan does.. Well - it doesn't happen like that. These dudes are pioneers and did it their way. You can bet your fucking arse that none of them browsed forums every night looking to see how everyone else did what they wanted to do - they just played and played until they reached the level they're on now.

You have to find what works for you and follow that to the extreme - no matter what everyone else says/does/types. Roddy recently posted this as a thread topic:

What's the "best technique" for staying in a band?
What's the "best technique" to get along with people so you can stay in a band?
What's the "best technique" for spending 3 hours a day playing your drums?

Everyone got their serious faces on and tried to poe-facedly answer the questions. Of course there were lots of different answers and different takes on it. None of them making much sense, but everyone just said what worked for them. And guess what?!?! That was the point he was making. There is no definitive answer to those things, the same as there is no definitive answer to how to play fast. (Everyone made that face like "aaahh.. I KNEW it was a trick question" but they were curiously quiet about it at the time. I personally missed the point of it until he spelt it out, and from then on I've thought about the man in a totally different light).

I would like to point out that on that technique post, I pointed out that I didn't know it was a trick question and gave my advice, to something I thought was good enough to warrant advice!

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Hah. Yeah, sorry - you did. Respect.

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this is one of my favorite drummers, i dont even know the dudes name. this guy aint sponsored, wont be featured in any drum mag, employs drum skills that are average. but something in the songs allows this man to rip like i never heard a drummer play. single pedal,4 piece drumkit, no rudiments, no flashy huge drumfills, no 800 piece drumset, no left hand lead paradiddle roll backwards around the toms back to snare while doing a backflip etc.

a thing i look most into a drummer is unorthodoxy and creativity, using more with less. so here is a guy in my eyes underrated, but the reason i feel he is good is a little different.

http://www.hellaband.com/media/vid/vid.html

Similar idea to what low-tech said above. From what I can gather it's just the two of them, and the band are awful. But man - what a nuts drummer. Loads of heel-toe stuff, loads of strange rolls and unusual bits. Ace.

zach hill, hella, seen them live. that kid is young, few years younger than myself and im 26. one of the most skilled drummers i ever seen, the live stuff is alot more intense than the albums

John Bonham's playing might be overrated, but his influence is undeniable. Together with Keith Moon, they played louder and heavier than anyone before. He might be overrated because some people put him among the top drummers ever, but that doesn't mean he wasn't pretty damn good anyway. But what do I know, I'm just a bloody guitar player

I think Lars Ulrich is way overrated too, but whoever said Hetfield is overrated, I gotta disagree. He is IMNSHO the best metal rythym guitarist there is. Or was, when they still played some good old thrash. He is responsible for the chugging sound that Dime later became famous for. Plus the guy can downpick like it ain't no one's fucking business. I'd take him in my band anyday over that lame, lack-of-musicianship fag Hammett (now there's a guy that's overrated). Anyway, this is all for whoever said Hetfield was overrated. Alas, this is a drum forum/thread, so I regress. Sorry for the rant

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i think dave lonbardo is one of the most overated drummers ever! i've seen both him n paul bostaph play with slayer hands down lombardo eats bostaph's shit!

Overrated?

Nah, he deserves all the attention he gets IMO.

But he is an amazing drummer, defiently a well rounded player. I cant think of anyone who holds up with him.

I say an underated drummer would have to be Kevin Talley

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you can post again when you say something smart

Lombardo spanks Bostaph when it comes to Slayer.

Period

No discussion

go listen to Seasons in the abyss, Dave at his peak.

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in studio nething is possable., at his peak yes he was still dam good not a patch on the likes of bobby jarzombek r richard christy., and live (where it counts) bostaph wiped the floor with him!

Musicians that are usually overrated are the ones that are commercial and the underrated are the ones which are underground, at least for the most part. You also have to define the wor doverrated, overrated to what standard? I say Joey Jordison is overrated, but he's better than me, so I can't preach. I don't put a lot of faith into speed, it doesn't mean all that much to me. Tons of people go gah gah over these 1000 bpm drummers. It's cool to see, but gets boring faster than they play. You have to be even in all aspects and excell in some to be a great drummer. Now here's for some underground drummers....


I compiled a list of black metal drummers and posted it somehwere else, but here are a few I really enjoy.

Zabek- From Polish band Yattering
Proscriptor- From Texas black/thrash band Absu (I highly recommend you check out his work)

and for the black metal drummers


Xytras- Samael (Extremely influential drummer, even his later worxx are of great value)
Cryptic Winter aka Duane Timlin- Judas Iscariot, Weltmacht, Forest of Impaled
(One of the fastest drummers I've heard and doesn't use triggers. Yes he doesn't play a lot of traditional tom fills, but this is black metal right?)
Fredrik Andersson- Ex-Marduk(Whom I don't like, but is fast)
Inferno- Behemoth/Azarath(Uses a lot of triplets, but is creative)
Frost- Satyricon (Master of the barbarian fills/ ride cymbal tricks)
Nick Barker- Dimmu Borgir/COF/Brujeria...(Which isn't black metal) (Ok, he does some cool shit, but it gets old)
Horgh- Immortal (Not my favorite drummer since he isn't very technical, but he has a good sense of a beat and how to go with the music to fit the mood)
Hellhammer- Mayhem (Again he is given too much credit, but his work on De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas made him. A very capable drummer)
Fenriz- Darkthrone( You all are crazy if you don't think Fenriz is a good drummer)
Carl Michael Eide aka Aggressor- Ulver/Dodheimsgard/Aura Noir etc. (Personally I believe he is the best drummer in the underground period)
Thomas Tannenberger- Abigor/Golden Dawn(which isn't BM) (This guy is amazing, his concepts are insane, well maybe not, but he's a fucking great drummer)
Ole Ohman- Dissection (Um, where have you been? This guy is really good. I like his double bass/fills a lot)
Trym- Enslaved (Man this guy........oh shit! Although I like Harald Helgeson's work on Eld more)
Faust- Emperor (Also a very capable drummer, but I think is overrated, he has a couple cool tricks, but other than that, fairly ordinary)
Erik Brødreskift aka Grim- Immortal/Gorgoroth/Borknagar(not BM) (An elite drummer in underground BM, he shares his chalice with satan now)
Armagedda- Immortal (Ever hear Diabolical Fullmoon Mysticism? This guy rules, where the fuck are you?)

Ok I have a lot more, but to me these are the most important.

Top 5 Black Metal Drummers

1. Carl Michael Eide
2. Frost
3. Hellhammer
4. Fenriz
5. Thomas Tannenberger

The choice for me is a combination of technicality, creativeness, fluidity and personal preference

So many drummer's out there....

Yeah, the drummer from hella! is pretty nuts. His style is similar to the dude in Mastodon.

What's everyone's eductated thoughts on Danny Carry?

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except that Bostaph couldn't play the bass rolls that lombardo could....

(watch war at the warfeild, Bostaph is doing sextuplets where dave plays full 16ths)



nah man, he deserves his praise, sure there are the nu metal kids who think he is the greatest on the earth, because he is the most extreme drummer they will have heard, but listen to the tracks on the Road Runner 25 anniversary compilation CD thing, he did one with Glen Benton and other Extreme metal musiciand and OH FUCK!!! I am sure he is doing about 230 or something, full death metal drumming, blasts, sick double bass, it is ALL there he deserves his praise as an extreme drummer!!



Good drummer! I like his feel and his style he has a good feel with odd time sigs, has some really good chops that he can bust out, he isn't the greatest or the best, but he IS good and I do enjoy his drumming (and therefore Tool) very much so

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I know this one and i dont even play drums.That basterd Joey from Slipknot.

Lombardo kills Bostaph Hands down

Divine Intervention, has some extremely heavy drumming. I'll have to say Lombardo is better though.

Yeah i was amazed when i found out Paul bostaph was drumming on Divine..

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Some of my opinions here, obviously.

Peart is overrated, not because he sucks, but because people hype him up. Much like Flo, he is so talked about that people are under the impression he is god himself and he isnt really that great.

Portnoy IS the only overrated drummer I can think of, honestly nothing bores me more than dreamtheatre. I despise that band from start to finish.

Overrated band? The Berserker. Just frigging boring. There is nothing great about it, its just really fast. Its so fast that its boring. If I wanted to listen to that I would just speed up something like Vader, at least it would be more interesting in that case.

The problem with the 'overrated' thing is that its based purely on hype. People only know what they see/hear, so generally someone can say Peart is the zomgfastestdrummer evar when they havent heard anyone like Derek Roddy, who is also mentioned alot.

I think derek's playing is boring in Hate Eternal but he has alot of cool solos and he is excellent. I think Flo is amazing as well, I like his playing in Cryptopsy alot more than I like Derek's in Hate Etenral, so I prefer Flo to Roddy any day of the week. I can't honestly understand why people would say stuff like 'flo is really sloppy' or 'derek is sloppy' because you know, if you could do it better you'd be in a metal band like Hate Eternal and Cryptopsy.. Then some kid would say the same about you! People have their off days, hell, with these guys its like off BEATS because they are that close to perfection... you can't honestly expect it perfect every single time when you're playing something that complex. everyone makes mistkaes now and then.

Sometimes you put the milk in the cupboard and you put the cereal in the fridge. Shit happens,lol.

Portnoy isn't overated, he is good, yeah people talk him up a bit, but he does deserve alot of it, some of the time sig changes, especially in the DT instrumentals are NUTS!!!

and neil Peart, well he is bloody good, not my style, but a bloody good drummer!!!

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ive always had a burning hatred for portnoy and dream theater that i cannot exactly place, its like mid tempo drumming where rudiments can be utilized to thier fullest, rock beats with odd but boring signatures. skilled yes, interesting?...........for me, no.

hella's drummer zach hill, on the other hand is far more interesting because the complexity is so constant and above the bar. but for me its the same problem, rudiments. im not interested in rudiment wankery foremost. maybe if rudiments where used with the beats, fine but big, complex drumfills as being the centerpiece of drumming, to me, is old hat. its this old formula that i dont want to follow. so i look at drummers who focus more on beats and the structure of the songs as the area of complexity and originallity. thats the type of drumming that inspires me

edit:not to say zach hill is overrated tho, hella was amazing to watch live

I know exactly what you mean, I am by no means I DT/Mike Portnoy fan, but after watching LDT, I now have a lots of respect for the guy, but I can relate to what your saying!!!

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This Hella band is great. If not for you I would never have heard them. Just downloaded two song, are they all instrumentals?

yea instrumental, this guy plays a single kick mind you. ive only seen jazz drummers play on that kids level who are twice maybe 3 times his age.

here fucking here

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Agreed, except I don`t think Derek is boring in Hate Eternal. I still prefer Flo`s drumming in Cryptopsy though, but they both rule. And I prefer Hate Eternal as a whole band.

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what do you dudes think of anthraxs drummer Charlie Benante ,I think he is pretty good .im a guitar player , just wondering what drummers think of him

Yeah man Charlie is good, I wouldn't call him great, but a good drummer.

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Just got Hold Your Horse Is. Although I overpaid, it was in my hands, so I had to buy it......damn credit cards!

I saw a video of him on the vic firth site I belive it was. He's a decent drummer.

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Travis Barker, granted he isn't bad at all, as a matter of fact he's very good.. But I believe people idolize him far too much.. I believe theres plenty of drummers out there that show better skill in given areas. What you hear him play with bands is not very impressive at all, generally very basic but outside of that his chops, etc are very well practiced.

Personally, I just find him to be over-rated.. Granted he's good, but not the best, so I think.

Heh.

Flo is definately overrated.

I have no opinion on Derek Roddy but his stuff is great.

Here is my personal list on underrated drummers:

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1. Nick Barker - No fucking way he is overrated. He is very good at his works, and id rather listen to him playing than listeniing to Flo or Derek.

2. Reno Killerich - Its not about how ill his blasts go, his style and technicallity speak for him.

DM.

1. Inferno > All

No one ever fucking mentions Inferno. Inferno is one of the most fucking bad ass drummers I've heard, and Imo he can pwn Flo and Derek any day.

Simply amazing.

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Flo isn't overated, after I watched his dvd I as like

goddamn he is good!

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Inferno is great. Demigod is made doubly exciting by him.

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1. joey jordison-i love the band but i gotta say he really aint shit. has good blast beats though.
2. matt mcdonough-mudvayne- he's all over the place and his bass rolls aint shit
3.killswitch engage-that dude sucks ass,slow as fuck and cant even play the old stuff any more.fucking howard jones!!!
4.niel pert-just cause you have a big kit dosent make you a good drummer.
5.dave lombardo-bass snare bass snare bass snare bass snare crash!!!thats all he's been doing for years.
6.lars ulrich-hes old and cant keep a decent rythm for shit live.
7.avenged sevenfold-this guy should be at the top of this list. hes just a cross of lombardo and ulrich.
8.vinnie paul-a little too slow for my tastes.
9.zach gibson-the black dahlia murder. hes too monotonus.wicked fast though.cory grady was better.
10.between the buried and me-learn a metrenome buddie!!!
well there you have it my opinion of course. so dont go cuttin my head off!!! Kryla;/

It might seem that he's a good blaster but compared to 90% of real death metal drummers? Nah.

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