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I don't have vocals. Every vocalist is better than me in that respect.

I'm saying there are way better growlers from screamers to pig vocals that would chew Corey up, drink 9 Coronas, and throw him up at a Cock and Ball Torture concert. Excuse the poorly executed analogy (or is it a metalphor? Musing? Anecdote?).

With little practice, I could probably be as "good" as Corey.

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That's It, really It's up to u how you manage your screaming or pig like voice.
No one's perfect!

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I highly doubt that one. Dude. Seriously Corey's voice.... omg. It's just too rough for the average person to do. I've heard some pig vocals in my time.... but i mean damn...

Just damn...

Moral of the story. Just dont' even try em.

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All I'm saying is I would sooner be able to have vocals like Corey than I would be able to have vocals like, say, George Fisher or Mikeal Akerfeldt.

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I know... It was a joke haha. The horrible vocals of the singer of slipknot doesn't even remotely touch the time and effort some have and do put in towards theirs in other genres.

A simple but decient example is myself. Since I've gotten into music (for the sake of playing) i have been recording. I have an EXTENSIVE chronological history of my metal vocals in audio format. The difference between my vocals at the beginning of my "metal solo project" and now is extreme. The stress and wear on my vocals built up over time has allowed myself to get to where i am now. (meaning i've torn on them the entire way building up to what they are now)

In saying that, things i used to be good at singing I'm no longer as good at. I.E. i can do Dark Tranquillity style vocals pretty well now, while my Darkest hourish vocals have slipped pretty big.


I'm not 100% sure where i was going on that tangent other than saying that singing like corey from slipknot.. seriously doesn't take any amount of practice or skill. Period.

Oh and by the way, i still am not as good at vocals as i'd like to be. Work in progress....

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Ah, I see!

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HAHAH! That's fucking clever!

are you saying your'e better than corey?, cuz if that's what you think, compare the fame, success, (his 15 years of experiecnc) and raw talent You think it doesn't take talent to do a TWO YEAR tour (after the release of their Vol. 3 Subliminal Verses?

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Energy and talent are two different things. You can have the energy, but you don't always have the talent.

With Corey, he has a lack of vocal talent, but it does take alot of energy to do a 2 year tour.

And dude, there are MUCH better vocalists that don't get as much media attention as Corey or the rest of Slipknot does ( maybee cuz tehy dont hav teH kewl maskz ). Fame doesn't measure talent.

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Exactly. I was doing more of a reference to the post or 2 before mine talking about with practice one can be better at vocals after time. I dont' think mine or his shit vocals can even be compared. Too different styles of singing completely. And CTL is right about the media attention. which is what is important in the first place right?? no..

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I agree with the facts that media doesn't measure talent, and I agree that there's very good underground/unsigned vocalists, and you can't compare two different styles, I Just wanted to make it clear that Corey's no novice, and he CAN sing and scream. Stonesour, (and not just their popular stuff) He knows what he's doing. and his recordings are awesome, but I've read alot of shit on these forums about drinking dairy to make phlegm and other means of destroying one's vocal chords. I think Corey is good at his own style without actually doing damage to his voice, and that takes tons of practice and a bit of thinking-----

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Yeah, he is better in Stone Sour than he is in Slipknot. I actually like Stone Sour.

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Doubt it... Seriously I'm a big fan of Cannibal Corpse and Stone Sour (nót slipknot), and Corey is a good singer who can go rough if he wants to, but he keeps on sínging. Plus I've never heard another band with the style of vocals like his. George Fisher on the other hand simply does this: Inhale like it's your last breath (before every new sentance if possible), tilt your head down a bit for low growls, raise your head for ear-aching screams and then just let it all burst out, just push the air as hard as possible.

I say Corey's vocals are harder to mimic than those of George Fisher...
I'm only 16 years old, yet my growls (if i have a good day) are (for a 16 year old, whos been growling for like 2 months...) pretty Corpsegrinder-ish. I, on the other hand, can't shout like corey. I can síng like him, but the really shout'y parts I still can't do... Just go listen some Stone Sour...

I'll go make a cannibal vocal film for you guys next week (as soon as I recover from flu), if one of you goes singing AND screaming like corey does and posts that 2...
I'm thinking I'm not gonna have to make the new film ;-)

im sure this is all true, but stop listening to slipknot/stone sour



give it a bit, and you will grow out of it, hopefully

Oh don't worry, I prefer Cannibal Corpse and Kataklysm or Opeth style bands. Stone Sour is just nice hard-rock style music from time to time.

Does anyone know what bands I can listen to so to hear the difference between inhaled and exhaled pig vox ?

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if you listen very closely, you can tell that Corey just yells really loud. well, you don't really have to listen that closely.

Yeah I prefer more intense vocals personally...

Power and dynamics are always cool

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I was just having a go at pig vox in the work toilets because I'm dodgy fella like that...

Yeah the tongue curled to the top of your mouth to the centre of the roof of your mouth whilst you do a "0" shape with your mouth seemed to do the trick...

Right I can test that with the band tomorrow, woo !

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hey,

im looking for a specific song that uses pig vocals. i go to a club on a weekly basis and they ALWAYS play this song. It very hard for me to describe it, as i dont know who it is or what its called. All i can say is that the pig vocals are less of actual lyrics and a lot more of pig grunting and squealing. It must be a really famous pig vocal song, as they play it every week and everyone knows it. Its also got heavy amounts of bass in it. I hope this is enough for you to help me!

Go up to the DJ and say "Oi ! Matey Jim what's that funky little number you've been playing with all those cheeky little oinks in ?!?"

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But seriously, It's probably Job For a Cowboy. Try Knee Deep.

its a lot less lyrical than that. i think the song im looking for is no words at all, just squeeling and grunting.

i found it, it was Entombment Of A Machine. which apparantly does have lyrics!

I'll have to try that as I'm currently working on a goregrind band with lots of squealing, sounds like fun !

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pig sounds.....wow...idk maybe these bloody hands

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Inhaled style is working a charm for me now

Still curious to how to do the exhaled style though !

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Just thought I'd add that tucking your chin in seems to make it easier. That's probably why when you watch a video or live act with a vocalist doing pig vox he's most likely going to be tucking his chin in to make the vocals flow with ease...

Oh balls ! I better get back to my muddy playpen with all my other buddies the farmer is coming back to count the piggies.

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Johnny from jfac doesnt inhale he exhales...and inhaling is really bad for your vocal chords because your trying to make them move two different ways at once...plus inhaling dosent sound nearly as good as exhaling

Yeah, Jonny does exhaled vocals.

not inhaled.

and he rarely makes pig squeel noises as much as people seem to think that that is all they do.

hell, he dos'nt even do them in thier new stuff, which is making all the cannible corpse fans freak out and love them.

however he dos'nt do highs almost at all either, which sounds rediculously monotone and i'm not into it.

I wouldnt go that far haha.

So appeasing the masses instead of following creative conviction? Haha! Wouldn't expect less from Job' to be honest.

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No.

Incorrect.

dude inhales are the most safe vocals you can do. as long as you dont inhale as hard as you possibly can your perfectly fine. (they never hurt, growls and screams do after a while, and when i do screams or growls for a while my voice will crack a few times when talking and inhales never do that) i can get my inhales to sounds very simalure to my growls but i like inhales better because you get that "dying down sound". like Nile uses inhales, for the longest time i was trying to get my growls to sound like that style then i realized they were inhales and they are. cattle decap uses inhales and they sound tight. also jfac defanatly inhales because i can exhale and it sounds just linke and inhale but softer. but when you try to put more power into it itll sound like shit and its just nor possible unleess you use some sort or effect to amp it up.

Nah, Jonny does exhales.

i've seen him do them.

that's also why he has so much power to them, im pretty sure the squeels themselves are a little studioized though.


and to those who said I am incorrect..

what one of thier new songs does the do that?

because i've listened to the whole album and maybe heard 10 words totaly in highs and the rest all lows, no squeels.

well they were pretty much the inventors of the style that they made, infact all of thier influences where older death metal bands that came before them, if you look for some of thier old old videos you can even see some of thier original songs, such as Chicken So Delicious, which was the original "knee deep" before they changed the lyrics and added a few things to be more serious, because thier band was originally a joke and just something to jam around.

thier new album just sounds like cannibal corpse, everyone knows it, everyone admits it, i meen there might be the occasional guitar lick that dos'nt sound very cannibal corpse, but for the most part they are trying to pull of that sound, they also have thier name all up in hot topic now, which when I first noticed I was quite in shock.

but then again, Suicide Silence is allowing shirts of thier to be sold in hottopic, but they claim they need to do it to make money to tour on the road, which I dont blame them, and as far as both from first and third person perspective view, Suicide Silence has not sold out, thier music still pretty much stays the same, (besides the now lack of Family Guy samples, but that's for legal reasons).

are you talking about growls? if you are why dont you say growls instead of exhales cuz who knows wat your talking about you exhales doing high screams, clean vox, talking....

you cant say he only does one style. he does high screams, growls? and inhales wich are the "pig squeels" and the pig shit is inhales for sure dude i can do that shit and it sounds just like him you cant tell me there effects.

and since when can you tell what hes doing by watching him?

holy crap i just relistened to there songs and hes defanatly using inhales not growls listen to embedded at 1:06 to 1:10 there is a prime example of an inhale. you cannot get that dying down effect doing exhaled growls plus you can hear a slight mess up or crack in his voice wich happends when you inhale sometimes and when you fuck up a growl it sounds like hit and most likely they will take it out of the mix. you get a stronger texture with an inhale and can is more powerfull than a growl dont tell me is is using an exhale. he uses an inhale.

Quit fucking arguing and e-mail the guy.

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or he can just leave the vocal forum for good because he has no idea what he's talking about.

i've heard him do it without the microphone.
the squeel however he does at a lower level (still exhale) and therefore brings the microphone closer to my mouth

not to mention it's near impossible to make the accents on cirtain sylables with inwards, which he clearly can accent the sylables and make words, hense he is using exhaled growls.

and if you dont beleive me, go watch any video of them where it shows jonny up close, he has to stay a good 2-3 inches away because he's actually forcing air out, and so that he can bring the microphone closer for the quieter vocals he does which is the squeel, a microphone cant pick up inwards 2-3 inches away from the face.

and dont you ever say that inhales are more powerful then exhales.

you're a tard.

get out.

dont reply to this.

just get out.

edit: and the song embedded SUCKS.

dude your the fucking idiot. and you must be horrible at inhales because i can do them loud as hell and if you say that you cant accent certain sounds your a bigger dumb as you dont have to be squeling to be doing an inhale you ccan get it to sound very simalure to a growl. like i said before go listen to NILE although theres arent as desipherable compared to jfac there certain levels. microphones can pick up inhales from 5 inches away from the face. mabye i should leave but you should just go die. and thts real cool you say the song sucks im trully offended. and instead of saying the song sucks why dont you say something to defend your point... i dont think you can for that one

ok sir. i just did what you said i watched 3 videos of them live and those acctually convinced me even more that i am correct he is using an inhale. i dont go by what i see i go what i can hear and i am 110% positive its an inhale. and thats what real musicians do they listen they dont look.

and just because you have some logic that air going out is louder and more powerfull than air going in your wrong and completely stupid to think that way.

i dont know how you think that hes using exhales. if you listen to the song knee deep from 2:44 to 2:51 that is so clearly an inhale. plus if you listen to cannible corps he uses exhales and they sound totally different from jfac cz they use INHALES.

Stop saying that Job For a Cowboy has good squeals!! They don't. If you want to hear some good pig vocals listen to Waking the Cadaver or any brutal death metal band.

were not saying they have good "squeels" im arguing to this guy because hes saying they dont inhale and they do. but yes walking the cadaver is good but i like fuck... im dead much better and i like the drum machine work as well.

What would be better by JFAC?

Just curious.

Anything from thier older album.

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crustcorestenchhead9

just.. stop.. please..

what you're saying is rediculous.


And Requiem

Im not saying that they do, But I do prefer JFAC to Waking The Cadaver, because those ARE inhales.

it's gunna be funny when crustcorestenchhead9 says that those are exhales and that JFAC uses inhales.

Figured

I've noticed that pig vocals by grindcore bands suck compared to Brutal Death Metal pig squals. Dog barks own all though.

your a fuckin dooche bag bro. how do you expect a person to stop talking if your talking shit. and if you read above i said i liked wtc and no shit there ins. just because they dont sounds like a pig squeel you faggott doesnt mean is not an inhale, you can do lows and highs of inhales just as you can dop lows and highs with screams and growls. your the fucking dumbass i know what im talking about since iv been doing all 3 diferent styles of metal vox for about 3 years now and i think id know what the diferentces are. bet you cant even do them yourself so how can you really know what the fuck they are doing.

everyone else: im sorry im arguing and from now on i will message the person.

i dont really care what you think i know what im talking about. ima spare everyone else and not bitch to your faggott scene kid ass anymore.

AYE

Who gives a fuck what JFAC does?

Listen, do whatever you're best at whether it be inhale or exhale.

I personally like inhales but thats just me.

speaking of inhales, i heard some bizzarre ass band last night at the local bar, they pulled off some wierd noise/grind sorta thing with tempo changes, and quick measures of different styles.

thier vocallist did inwards im sure, aswell as falsetto high screams, which were also done by the drummer.

Hey everybody! I'm a newcommer at this site, so I don't really know how all this works. However, I just want to give a reply to the whole "pig squeeling" deal.

By looking over the earlier replys, I saw that a lot of people use inward breathing techniques; this really came as a surprise to me.
To me, the only right way to make a proper "pig squeel", is done by growling the way u normally would. Both the "shouting growl", and the deep growling techniques works.
If u have those techniques in order, u will find that making a pig squeel is easily done; all u have to do is pitch.

The basic deep growling techniques are based on the middle section of your stomache; with the pig squeel u just move the pressure up from the middle section to your solar plexus.
While doing that, u push out your jaw and close your throat as far up as possible. This will create the effect of a growl, pitched up - the pig squeel.

Other then that, it's all about practice. I practice two hours a day on my techniques. It's never enough to just practice when you are rehersing with your band.

This is how I do it anyway; not saying that it's "the right way", but it definetly works for me.

Ok I believe that JFAC is good, I liketehre vocals and all
But they do inhales I believe
I have tried inhale "pig squeals"
JFAC doesn't squeal, at least not on Genesis
Knee Deep is badass, but Waking the Cadaver vocals are just fucking brutal as hell
I exhale and I can do the pig squeal very well, and I've only been doing it for about 5 or 6 months
It takes alot of practice, I usually do it when just walking around or when I'm just sitting around
I can actually sing lyrics while doing the pig squeal, but it hurts my vocal chords a little

As For JFAC there vocals are good, no squeal, inhales, and kind of a growl type scream

Cephalic Carnage, Waking The Cadaver, Despised Icon (some parts of there songs) and a lot of Regurgitate are very good examples in my opinion

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Hey folks.

Can anybody tell me how to raise your pitch with inhales? I can do the low gutteral inhales just fine, but I don't know how to move into the mid-range and the high squeal territory.

I know that probably seems like a foolish question, but I only paid a little bit of attention to inhales when I was first learning extreme vocals, and then I moved on to exhales and have been doing them ever since, so I still don't know most of the basic inhale technique.

just tighten your throat muscles, it's hurt at first but you'll get used to it, it should raise the pitch of the inhales, I used to know how to literally inhale SCREAM at a high pitch, and I did it in a band, but after a while I realised it was total utter shit, and I swiched to deathmetal exhales.


(and for the last time, JFAC uses exhale vocals, if you dont beleive me ask Jonny Davy himself on myspace or something, not to mention he clearly has the tone and annunciation of sylables that only comes from exhale)

and Waking the Cadaver does both exhales and inhales, thier old stuff like chased through the woods and bloodsplattered satisfaction was almost all inhales, exept for minor exhales such as when he says "bloodsplattered satisfaction"

thier new stuff I beleive has more exhales then thier previous stuff though.

as far as exhale squeels go, I'm still sort of stuck. I know the tecnique, how to do it and everything.

however when I do it and I pinch the air, it comes out more of a distorted guttural with a minor overlayer of the squeel, but more breathy then an actual "reeeee".

where as inhalewise i can easily do "reeee" however it does'nt have the low with the overlayer such as doing it exhales.

Oh! That works! Thanks dude.

It's alot like raising the pitch to do black metal exhales, but I never even thought of applying to inhales.

yeah bro, exactly.


in order to get higher, your mouth needs to open more, and throat needs to close more, in order to go lower your throat needs to open more and your mouth needs to close more.


enjoy =]

I've got another question.

How loud are inhales supposed to be?

An inside voice?

I can't get mine above speaking level. Is that normal?