I saw over on the BLS boards some guy heard on the radio that metallica is working on a new record in san fran right now, not 100% sure though. Itll be interesting to see what new shit they fart out of there ass now

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me too, id be interested to hear it. they jumped labels from elektra to warner bros

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haha i wonder why. They will prolly make more money with warner

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they're overdue for a greatest shits collection.

Its hard to imagine Metallica getting any worse, unless they switch to emocore or whatever the fuck.

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or they do an album with jay-z or lil' jon or somthing

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haha yeah.....they're pretty horrible right now.TICK TOCK TICK TOCK

suuuuuuuweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet aaaaaaaaaiiiiiiimbuuuuuuuuhrrrrrrrrr

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st. condom 'round my dick
st. condom 'round my dick
he never gets the chicks
st. condom 'round my dick

(it rushes out, it rushes out)
st. condom 'round my dick
(it rushes out, it rushes out)
he never gets the chicks

(it rushes out, it rushes out)
st. condom 'round my dick
(it rushes out, it rushes out)
he never gets the chicks

i feel my girl shake
like an earthquake
it's hard and it's clear
it's all me, i'm very near

sadly, my wanger's in you
sadly, my wanger's in you
sadly, my wanger's in you
sadly, my wanger's in you

and i want, my wanger to be healthy
and i want, my wanger just for me
and i want, my girlfriend not to control
and i want, my wanger to be me

and i need, to set my soldiers free
and i need, to set my soldiers free
and i need, to set my soldiers free
and i need, to set my soldiers free
SET 'EM FREE!!!!!!!

HAHAHAHA although i think countless live albums and DVDs will do.

hmm, i will be hearing how low they've really sunk. surprisingly (or not) haxsk8, i wouldn't put emocore past them.

Isent WB the parent company of Elektra? So technically they havent switched labels really..

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mmm, just gone one better.

they already did that, have you seen some kind of monster?

but it was with Jarule, worrrddddd

I don't care how bad their recent efforts have been. Their early shit is rockin', no matter what.

i continue to forget about their old stuff sometimes for the way of dumping on their new garbage. ride the lightning was a masterpiece of its time and still holds up well today, 21 years later.

well, its better not be a shitstorm like st anger and it better have solos dammit . not some sort of "riff-oh-rauma" like Lars put it.

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Well consider this, since Metallica DOES suck up to the trend, and since shredding is becoming popular again, maybe Metallica's next record might actually be GOOD. It might be good for the wrong reasons, but it would be cool to hear Metallica writing something thrashy with solos again.

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I doubt it, but hey, who knows. I certainly dont.

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I couldn't care what they do anymore.

It will be shit. 100%.

It will be cool, 0%.

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Couldn't agree more.

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i hope they put out an album comparable to MOP or RTL

A) that would kick ass
B) all of you would feel like idiots... which you deserve

I wouldnt say theres a 0% chance of a rockin new album. Maybe a .01% chance is more like.

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We all know they're not going to reproduce those heddy days of the mid-to-late 80s - even Metallica themselves know it - so I wouldn't hold out for anything spectacular.

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I'm still laughing from when Lars said the new stuff sounded like old Entombed. I'm just waiting on more hilarious questions from the Metallica camp.

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One thing I laugh at when I think of Metallica now is what Megadeth is doing and what Metallica is doing. I'm a Megadeth fan and everyone always says shit like "Who's better Metallica or Megadeth?", and even though Megadeth isn't as good as they used to be, I look at The System Has Failed and St. Anger and well.....I just laugh.

You have taken my words brother. Megadeth is always the shit. Metallica was the shit with old Dave too.

Some of the best leads Kirk plays was writen by Dave.

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very true, i love megadeth, but kill 'em all was an exellent album, but its mostly because of dave.

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Well I mean, I don't even like Metallica's old stuff that much but....
I look at Mustaine and he recruited Chris Poland again and they're all shredding it up and somewhat staying in their style. While on the other hand, Metallica is completely different appearance wise (all cut their hair and now wearing all this expensive suits and shit).The guitars have this like, shit tone now cuz I thought like Master of Puppets had a good tone, and they have like no solos or anything now, and the drums also sound like shit.

Megadeth has my vote today but there was a time I was scared to say I loved Megadeth.... if fact I couldn't really figure out what the hell was going on.

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Why does it matter what they look like?



Its called shitty production.. or laziness in Metallica's case.

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Yippee! Another Metallica thread!

A) The only reason they would do it is because their trendy fanbase has mostly died away and they would be pathetically crawling back to the people who made them famous to begin with.
B) Nobody should feel like an idiot, because they still sold out, and going back to their old style in a pathetic attempt to rake in more cash will never change that fact.

Metallica are a bunch of losers and I would continue to boycott their music even if all of you dorks started 100 threads about how the new Metallica shits all over Suffocation. It wouldn't matter, nor should it matter. Metallica has lied to their fanbase enough over the years, the last thing the metal world needs is for Metallica to lie again with some bullshit about how they want to return to their roots and get aggressive.

I also think it's pathetic how any time a conversation about Metallica is initiated, there are always the poor, deluded folks who are anticipating the day Metallica will start playing real metal again. It's almost like watching some poor kid whose mom left to get some milk and never came back still waiting for her 15 years later. She's never coming back. Neither is Metallica.

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They lie so much, maybe if they were to say the new album is gonna be "the same old label pleasing shit we've done since '91", I might actually listen.

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Damn, I bet the kid's still waiting for his milk too

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You. Must. Be. Kidding.

Most ridiculous and untrue comparison, EVER. Are you sure he wasn't joking??

I must have said this 20 times... forget about these washed-up boiled turds of ex-musicians. There are a million new, good, interesting bands. This is an old, bad, boring band. Deal with it.

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Can't people have hopes and dreams? We have to hold onto SOMETHING man. Why are there such jaded people like you shattering the hopes of poor people who have nothing else to look forward to?


P.S. and mommy is coming back soon... I KNOW IT!

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yep. for example new soilwork, which my mate showed me (tape of full metal racket) is still complete garbage. people think they are coming back to their chainheart machine days, but the new song sounds exactly like figure number five but without horrendous over-production. and the vocals have gotten even gayer.

Rofl... That was a good laugh

Nope, I remember reading it on Blambbermouth when they linked to the Studio Updates from the St. Anger sessions. You might be able to find it on the Metalica website if they still have that material on there, but I don't know since that was the olny time I was ever on the Metallica website.

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They just need to know when to call it quits....

Chris Rezendes is right again. There are no hopes, and I too am boycotting them. This isnt just 'oh gosh darnit, metallica is bad now but there old stuff is still awesome' I think at this point, they have sucked balls more then they have been awesome, and when that happens I say just leave it.

They are just peices of crap, i could compare my respect to them as to Elton Johns penis dancing with a top hat on, during easter, while he is eating a baby. (I would respect it but its elton john so i dont!) I mean they are what i call corporate slime, sellouts, Elton John Penis People, and just worthless, there is no hope people.

i wouldnt go THAT far. I still respect them... they made some amazing music in their early days.

that was perfect. i couldnt have said it better my self. amen.

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You still respect them?!? How can you still respect them? After saying all that crap 'oh this new album is aggressive and hard!' bullshit. They let Avril Lavigne play in front of them and they clapped. How can you still have any respect for them? Not to mention those shitty albums. They are sellouts, they are getting butt fucked by MTV and their 'Lets appeal to a new audience' crap, they are losing by the minute and that makes me happy.

Perhaps if their next album is actually awesome but this is their last chance with me then even still i would have little to no respect for them, but if they made a comeback with like 5 awesome albums, then i would probably slowly gain respect back, but i dont think thats gonna happen.

Perhaps if it were back in 89 i would be saying something completely different, but it ain't, its now 2005. Welcome to the present.

hear, hear. their old stuff is still good, but i have absolutely no respect for the way they sold out.

I'm going to be honest. i wouldn't call St. Anger very commercial. Okay, it sucked more than anythign they've ever released, and was pretty much the biggest dissapointment I've ever bought, but to say it's commercial is unfair.

Look at it like this.

It's production is shit. The drum sound alone is all but unbearable, and the guitars have some sort of horriblt bland sound to them that makes me wonder how Bob Rock ever got hired. However, it's not commercial. Look at commercial music. Sum 41? Britney Spears? Fucking Ja Rule? All crystal clear in their desired way. St. Anger was jsut really shitty. The Black Album sounded commercial production wise.

Musically I can see it a little. It's got that background to angsty lyrics sound to it, and there are very, very few worthwhile riffs to be found, but it's not Korn. While not thrashy, or good for that matter, at least some parts show a little energy.

Lyrically, yeah, it blows. They're all but emo. If I want anger management, I'll go bow down to the unrelenting mass of stupidity known as Dr. Phil.

So, shitty? Yeah, no contest. Commercial? Not as much as it's put up to be. Not worth the money though.

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It's unbelievable. The sheer incorrectness of it. I'm listening to old Entombed right now, just to make absoultely 101% sure that this is in fact the most lunk-headed remark that ever existed, anywhere, ever.

CUNTS!

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Can you name decent album that Sabbath put out after Sabbath Bloody Sabbath? You surely still respect them for how they advanced metal though, don't you? The same applies to Metallica.

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@anubis: Comercialsim isn't about productio, its about letting your audience eating shit and making them like it.

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I read a book a while ago about metal from Black Sabbath days, up until present time. It gave me a new respect for Metallica. They were the driving force of metal in the 80s and early 90s. They brought metal to a huge climax in the late 80s. They influenced so many bands, and opened up the world's eyes to metal. It was no wonder Metallica was the most talked about band in the book. They ARE the most famous metal band EVER.

So they messed up lately? Ignore it. Listen to your own music, because it was probably influenced even the tiniest bit by Metallica anyways.

exactly. you could pay michael jackson's foetus with a nose job voucher, to record a 4-bit version of hillary duff suffering from morning sickness and dysentry at the same time, and it would still sell 1,000,000 copies in considerably less than one month.

http://www.beatallica.org/beatallica.html

i found thier new album..........sortof

click on music and enjoy

And I get shit for my spelling?

Anyway, commercialism is about putting out what has the best chance of selling. If you look at it, St. Anger, compared to some of their other albums, is not much of a success. It sold alot in metal terms, but the sound and overall sub-par feel to the album kept it from selling as much as they would have hoped. The album itself wasn't set up to be a commercial blockbuster. The black album was. It had very accesible songs, and top-notch production, making it as pleasing to the ears as possible. St. Anger was all but the antithesis. St. Anger was commercial, it was just shit.

If commercialism was about "letting your audience eat shit and making them like it," it wouldn't be called commercialsim because nobody would buy it. That's your view on teh subject, not the definition. People want to hear what they want to hear, and not be forced into liking what they hate. St. Anger wasn't commercial because it wasn't all that much of a success.

Millions were put into making it. Millions were put into promoting it. Millions were put into whatever the band needed to do to get their shit together (which they clearly didn't). How many copies were sold? Not enough to make the album the success that was sought.

Commercial music usually sucks. St. Anger sucks. However, that doesn't make St. Anger commercial. It just makes it poop.

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I guess I got into this pretty late, oh well...

I know Metallica will NEVER be good again. The chances of them releasing another desent album are the same as Pantera recording another album. They can't crawl out of this whole they dug themselves into. After the whole issue of downloading music to having Snopp Dogg and Korn cover their music on television, the ways of good Metallica are dead and gone. Everthing after ...And Justice For All is pure crap, well maybe Load was okay. But I will go on record and say that I still respect them for what they did for metal, but that doesn't mean I like them.

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What can I say? They letters on my keyboard at home have worn off

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I'll name three. Sabotage was far better than decent, it was fucking awesome. Heaven and Hell was better than decent, it was good. Last and certaintly least, Mob Rules wasn't better than decent, but certainly matches that mark.

There's a difference between appreciating what a band has done in their older days and respecting the twats they grew into being. Beside that, Sabbath never so blatantly spit in the faces of everything that got them where they were. They didn't make countless false promises to their fans or turn on metal. They just started to suck.

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Black Sabbath was good for a time. But yes, they did so much for metal, so you cannot badmouth them.

Metallica have become a joke in my eyes.

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Metallica have lost it. My favorite album was Kill 'Em All... The raw sound they had made it fun and you can hear some of Dave Mustaine's stuff on it (The Four Horsemen? No Remorse? I swear the intro to No Remorse is Dave) Ride The Lightning and Master of Puppets were both beautiful albums. Then Metallica went wrong. Cliff Burton died. (May he R.I.P.) Next came ...And Justice For All, which I thought to be a horrible album. To this day I only and rarely listen to One. Then the Black Album...I can still remember sitting in my dad's truck listening to it when I was 3 or 4. Now I realize that it is a very bland album. Maybe it's because I've heard it all my life, or because Metallica shortened their songs to 3-4 minutes. I may be the only one...but I enjoy listening to 8 minute long songs. Then we get two more bland albums (Load and ReLoad) which I'm not going to talk about. But Garage Inc. was cool, I liked the covers of Die, Die My Darling and Turn The Page. S&M was neat too...but I haven't listened to the whole CD, just a song or two. Then Newstead quits/gets kicked out. They hire Trujilo..and let me say that this guy is so un-Metallica its scary. Metallica then released St. Anger, which dissapointed the world, followed by Some Kind of Monster, which is just an attempt to resell old songs, that failed too. To sum up my entire post, Cliff Burton was awesome and when he died, Metallica died.

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But Sabbath didn't "sell out" as such afterwards (even though I hate the phrase I really can't think of any other way of saying it) - they were still making good albums and just faded away. Metallica turned to shit once Cliff died and should have never released The Black Album. They would be a lot more respected in metal today if they just stopped after AJFA (sure, 4 albums isn't much, but having 4 brilliant albums to your name is better than 4 brilliant and about 7 awful).

But the point is that I still respect Metallica in the same way that I still respect Black Sabbath even though in my opinion they haven't put a decent record out since '74.

I'll begin by saying that the following is not directed at anyone in particular but if you do take offence:

a) I don't care and;

b) You are obviously an option 1, which you will find detailed as you read on.

People should lay off Metallica. So they changed the direction of their music - in terms of one of their more famous covers - so what? Let's see how many of you would still want to be writing the same old thrash riffs after nigh on 25 years. Variety is the spice of life and if the fans don't like it then it's just tough shit - go find another favourite band. As a musician, I would want to write what I wanted to write and not what the fans want me to write. Isn't pandering to the fans what most of you guys call selling out?

Generally, Metallica can't win. If they stay the same it gets boring and if they evolve they're "selling out." Take Cannibal Corpse as an example. They've churned out the same brand of death metal now for 15 years but can they get a decent review in the music press? "Same old, same old", "Nothing new here" and "When are they going to progress?" are all phrases I read that often accompany a 5 or 6 out of 10 rating.

All the bullshit that gets slung Metallica's way is because they're not your favourite band anymore. They may not be my favourite band anymore, but I'm not going to stand in line to take a pop shot at them because they have the audacity to write what they want to, even if it is the antithesis of what Metallica were about in the fledgling Bay Area scene of the early '80s.

Good luck to them.

And don't even mention Napster. I guarantee there were thousands of struggling bands who were being ripped off by Napster giving away their music for free. It needed one of the biggest bands in the world to stand up and herald action. Sure, they have enough money - they have more money than I could shake a blue whale at - but it's the ethic of the matter. They saw a wrong doing and stood up against it. They could have just sat back and said, "We don't care, we've made our money" and let your new favourite band go to the wall. The world stood up and listened because it was Metallica. Would the industry have listened if Disgorge or Necrophagist had mounted an offensive against piracy and theft?

Metallica, whether you like it or not are the biggest metal band on the planet and if you're pining for them to return to the underground you have two options:

1. Wrap yourself in your faded '85 Master Of Puppets tour T-shirt/comfort blanket, cry and masturbate yourself to sleep with Anaesthesia playing in the background and dream of James and Co fellating you while churning out For Whom The Bell Tolls.

2. Get over your elitism, let Metallica be who they want to be and move on to your next favourite band.

It's simple isn't it? Now be thankful that they gave you four classic albums and let them be.

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good work john. i can't be bothered to write a huge logical explanation so i'll keep it short and to the point.

with bay area selling out, look at testament. they remain underground but they are huge in the underground, if that makes any sense to you. they started out great and got progressively heavier over time.

same with cannibal corpse, i believe they started out fairly weak with Eb tuning, quadruplet tremolo note riffs (i cum blood) etc., and chris barnes on vocals, you figure that one out. these days they are a technical (frantic disembowelment), pounding, brutal death metal monstrosity who have progressed in their own way.

and then varg. i know you will hate this, but he progressed as well. his first album was a simple black metal album. his third one involved keyboards and a fantastic atmosphere with not much change to the guitar riffs. the fourth one almost sounded like a death metal album, with meaty production and a very different take on the vocals, again more death metal than the high screech of his previous albums. then evolved into ambient music with his last two albums.

since metallica were never my favourite band, which is opeth who deliberately do something different for every song, let alone every album, i believe i will take the second option.

i enjoy their first 3 albums as i don't have AJFA.

Just as an after thought though, would Metallica have gotten to be so big if they had kept Dave?

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That's kinda gonna be a hard one to say. I think they wouldn't be that different from what they have been, cuz I think Mustaine's good song writing and guitar playing skills came because of his departure from Metallica. I'm glad he left though.

Yeah me too. I watched Some Kind of Monster the other day and was stunned when they showed Dave so sad about being kicked off of Metallica. I'm surprised he feels like such a failure. There are A LOT of Megadeth fans out there and it didn't seem like he knew that.

I guess it would have been alright if he had stayed with Metallica instead of having that wah wah wanker Hammet. Still, I prefer Megadeth.

Dave said that "METALLICA WOULD BE BIGGER THAN GN'R IF THEY STILL HAD ME". Dave claims that Metallica would still be big. Dave wrote some damned good riffs. If they would have kept them, there would be no Megadeth, and there wouldnt be any stupid childish rivalry to ensew between the fans. Seriously, am I the only one who thinks the Megadeth/Metallica rivalry within the fans is utter bullshit? TO whoever said that ...And Justice For All sucked, listen to the whole cd, it doesnt suck. It has damned good songs. TO whoever said Testament sold out, they didnt, They changed their style greatly, but they still put out decent cds (except for Demonic; The Ritual) Metallica isnt going to be good anymore. St. Anger didnt suck more than (Re)Load. They were equally crappy, whereas St. Anger was fast and had no solos, and (Re)Load was slow and had solos.

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I don't think they would've been that big w/ Dave. Knowing James and Lars, they're not guys that are willing to do what others really want to do.

I think it comes that $$$$lica wants to find their way back but are lost in BS. I think they know this too. I expect the next album to be what they want it to be but the help of Dave would really help.

Bottom line. Dave was Good for Metallica. A final great thrash album with him is only right imo.

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Haha that would be funny looking at the kids faces when they buy the CD, expecting a St. Anger/Reload type of thing and hearing some heavy old skool thrash.

my overview of metallica is that comfort and vast wealth kills creativity, kills the drive to go beyond prior accomplishments, i noticed in the movie that their skill at thier instruments had not changed probably since they were twenty-something. thier songs are protools edited, nothing against protools, its just hi-fi should be hi-fi, not cut and paste.lars seemed really gassed on a particular double bass part that he'd do in his sleep 15 years ago, they were working on these bar band riffs,seemed like the studio bass player wrote some of thier album, their discipline was gone. granted this band has been touring the world since they were 18 but it was a slow rise, those 4 albums were made when they were nobodies outside of the stage, all im saying is that it happens to anyone in any proffesion, people who find too much comfort in thier legacy, to much free time buying racecars and vacation homes somehow lose complete touch with reality. i liked that movie, i cant listen to album that was the end result of the movie. for thier next album they should rent slum hotel <pay-rent-every-week> rooms in south oakland, work as line cooks,dishwashers,drywall construction, anything that sucks, take the bus or the b.a.r.t to and fro from work, live off the minimum wage,live off grill cheese and ramen,go to laundrymats, wait in line in the grocery store, play shitty gear and record everything to a 4 track if not a boombox, they'd reinvent napalms scum album doubletime, put the fire back in thier bellies at least

lmao! Never though of it that way

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No he wasent.. he was good for MEGADETH.

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whoever said rob trujillo is bad for metallica....nobody knows if he writes poorly for metallica yet. bob rock did all the bass guitar work.

Rob hasent played his own stuff for years..... I wish I could get $$$ for just covering other's music.

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i was refering to the blond hair dude playing bass in that last post, didnt know his name

trujillo was in suicidal tendencies, i still like a few songs off thier first album, "i shot reagan" is a classic

Yes but you'd have to prance around the stage like an ape who's just pulled his groin aswell.

Metallica... New...
Im ecstatic

he DOES look like an ape doesn't he.....him and those fucking foot-length plaits

Trujillo's a good player though.

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I guess we will just all see with the next album. I really like Metallica and I think they are great, but they need to rediscover what metal is.

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Wow, Trujillo must have felt pretty gay playing air bass in their new videos to something that Bob Rock recorded. It's bad enough when they're instrument syncing their own shit in those videos. I would hope that he refused to do it at first and then they kept offering him cash bonuses until he finally cracked.

I think Lars Ulrich sucked his ape-cock

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ooh, he would have loved doing that.

i think metallica went uphill on the St. Anger as opposed to Load and Reload, which pretty much sucked. nothing beats the old stuff up to the Black Album though, that stuff is audio-gold

I think the Black Album has only 3 or 4 good songs out of the wqhole thing. MOP and Justice for All was their best work in my opinion

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trujillo is an odd choice,cames from the early la hardcore scene which was another world from the 80's east bay thrash scene, i dont remember him ever playing metal, and from hearing a little of late suicidal and that side project infectious grooves, he seems to be more of a slap and pick funk bass player than,you know, heavy metal

i have a feeling there wont be a next album from watching that documentory. the hiring of a 40,000 dollar a month counselor indicates complete lack of vision,control,everything

Some Kind of Monster is like a routine check-up turning into an autopsy. Required viewing for everybody in a band or wanting to be in one. Just as accurate information about pregnancy and venereal disease will, ideally, teach you to take the proper precautions before throwing a bone in somebody, that movie will, again ideally, teach you not to degrade into a bunch of talentless, whiney, self-important pussies.

I must agree with much of what you say, but I see a real strugle with James to recapture somthing.... evil and deep. imo. He wants Metallica to be great and he needs Dave "the fuck'in Man" Mustaine to do it right.

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You sold me. I'm going to break down and watch it now for a laugh...

Lets hope it is simply a rumor......Kirk should simply walk away from the other fools.......start anew.......He's the only redeeming thing left.

Yes... Mommy will come back some day... and she'll have the milk, too!

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Well, if by redeeming you mean guy that loves to use his wah pedal instead of soloing like a real person, then yes.

Don't get me wrong, he's very talented, but lately, he's fallen in a huge monstrosity of a slump.

James' rythm playing is excellent too, he just needs to put more into his riff writing.

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Dave "the fuck'in Man" Mustaine is a bitch when it comes to working with others.

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HAH! I bet if he made an solo album, he'd be all pissy about himself. Would he kick his own ass out?

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That would be a great publicity stunt to sell records... I just want Dave to get back to collaborating with Chris, Gar, and Dave Ellefson full time.

Gar is dead.

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How could a little thing like mortality stop Dave? He's 'the fuckin' man'! Have you ever listened to Ashes in Your Mouth? Clearly the work of a songwriter who could raise a drummer from the dead.

Ok, Dave 'The Fuck'in Man' might be hard to work with, I don't know, but who the hell could put up with Lars and James anyway. Maybe Dave is hard to work with cause I know he wants everything perfect. High standards doesn't mean that you can't hire new people to see how things work out. Not many people that have worked with Dave hate him. They just all went different ways eventually or he had to fire them. Either way, the last Megadeth album was kick ass and much better now that Marty is gone, who I blame for fucking up Megadeth in the 90's along with record companies directing the way they wanted the albums to sound.

Dave is the man even if he is a mean asshole.

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Bummer. (RIP Gar buddy)
Then I guess I'd have to go with Bill Andrews from Death's Leprosy and Spiritual Healing albums.

Well, it would be cool for them to make yet another album, but it better be a lot better than St.Anger, i mean come on, that album sucked(except the live version), it had no solos, awfule lyrics, and a hole bunch of other crap.

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