IVE READ SEVERAL POSTS ASKING ABOUT HOW TO MAKE YOUR VOCALS DEEPER, SO LOOK NO FARTHER. AT BIENG A VOCALIST I COULND GO ANYWHERE FROM KING DIAMONDS SCREAMS TO MORTICIAN DEEP,... THESE ARE SOME THINGS YOU CAN DO TO MAKE YOUR VOCAL CHORDS THICKEN. REMEMBER THE EFFECT IS NOT INSTANT, ITLL MAYBE TAKE 2-3 WEEKS, ALL DEPENDING ON YOUR EFFORTS.

GARGLE BAKING SODA WITH WATER AFTER GROWLING FOR A LONG TIME,... HEY THE VOCALIST FOR CANNIBAL CORPSE TOLD ME THIS ONE SO IT SHOULD WORK

DRINK A SHOT OF TEQUILLA AND CHAIN SMOKE 2 CIGARETTES AFTER GROWLING, AND IMIDIATLEY START GROWLING AGAIN ( MAKES VOCAL CHORDS GROW EXTRA MUSCLE TISSUE)

OR DRINK MILK TO CREATE FLEM (AND ALL OF THE ABOVE) AND HAVE MORE OF A DYING FETUS VOCAL STYLE.

HOPE THIS HELPED
CONTACT ME AT: LESLIETROWBRIDGE@HOTMAIL.COM

thats cool but loose the caps man, thats like an unwriten law around here.

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haha, yeah, rather have em all lower case than all caps...

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start smoking? FUCK THAT

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Smoking rules. I'm not even old enough and I smoke.

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smoking is for queers, plus it would make you have less vocal power

Most if not all of those sound like things that would ruin your voice.

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does that make you feel like a man?

there are other negatives assiciated with smoking that can do bad things for your singing, so that might not be the way to go

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Alexi Laiho smokes. He has an awesome voice.

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, that was a joke, wasn't it?

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that means that you have to smoke?


i hope you get lungcancer and realize what a fucking dumbass you've been.
You should smoke cirags then, they dont harm you that much since you dont inhale. And a joint every once and a while doesnt harm you too bad. but regular smoking is lame.

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You will also notice that his smoking is bad enough to where he coughs up flem 5 times every song. When I saw him with Iced Earth and Evergrey, my god he spat on the stage floor after every verse. What do you think it'll be like when he's over 40?

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how does that justify your smoking?

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You fucking retard. Killing yourself rules, yes, certainly. Give up while you're still young. I started when I was 14, haven't been able to stop.

I think I'd rather sound like Michael Bolton than Corpsegrinder, if it means not smoking. Giving yourself cancer isn't quite worth it.

Well, Let me tell you all something,... its up to you to smke or not, that is why i added in different methods to do this. Besides i heard no one complaining about the tequilla,.. thats odd, hahahahahah,... well thanks for taking a look at this and hope it helps in some way.

What do you sing, Krow 666? You make it sound like you have tons of experience....you live in Texas?! Where's Laredo?

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I only smoke like once a week or less. And I am tring to quit. I have almost quit. And alot of people on this website drink alot. So what you guys are saying is its ok to destroy livers but not lungs. Who wants to live till theyre 90?

I will never die!

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who wants to live with a hole on their neck from smoking

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No one. You have all encouraged me to quit. Thank you.

If that was sarcasm, fuck you. If it wasn't, well done.

i second that, cheers for the vocal tips too.

more booze, no smokes and hard drugs!! (that sounds kind of hypocritical but meh)

Smoking is bad for vox. Drinking I'm not sure, but I am almost positive it has no affect.

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Drinking helps with confidence though....

...and it makes you feel like a man

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I guess I can see the flem from smoking making your voice deeper, but where do you get the idea that alcohol will make it deeper?

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Phlegm. PHLEGM!

It wasnt sarcasm. Now I have heard the dangers of it from other metalheads. Now I will just drink more.

Good lad. Drink up!

i always wanted to sing, but years of chronic smoking has left me without that ability...i just don't have the breath for it, i can't get a good yell or anything going, i just doesn't work...ah well

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First off I wan't to say that those techniques do work a bit and also instead of milk you can eat yogurt as well, that will help a little but not too much.
Now for the little kid that thinks smoking is COOL, your stupid as hell and if you only smoke about once a week then you have no excuse to not be able to stop because your NOT even addicted. Don't go around telling people it's cool to smoke and shit because you never know, there could be some other 14 or 15 year olds on here that don't know better and will start doing it and thinking that it's cool to do it if you wan't to sing like the vocalists on metal bands.
That's all I have to say now. Oh, the drinking part... Drinking is a priviledge... haha just messing but nah I would rather drink than smoke and I'm not saying to do that instead of smoke because neither is better than one or the other. Now if you have a big drinking problem then that's another story.

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...You're kidding right?

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Rob Halford shags guys. He has an awesome voice.

Anyone want some?

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Well I have about 10 years experience on vocals and i sing anything from a whistle high scream to a will ramer growl,... (wow, that sounded so full of myself)... Laredo is a border city, and gateway to mexico, thats why i started drinking at 16 cause you could do anything at mexico, lol. thanks for all the feed back, as far as smoking i said it is to grow tisue on your throaght, i never said to consider it an addiction, and alchhol opens up your throaght.

its THROAT !

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I QUIT OK!!! And you all convinced me to.

thats nice, but you are still a twatty little noob

i have an idea, FUCKING PRATICE, my growls were shit 2 1/2 years ago, but until i justr recently have been sick, the past few months i could do mikael from opeth's growl perfectly.

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And why am I a twatty little noob?

i don't condone smoking either, but i do hear that from a few people in bands, liquor and cigarettes for death vocals, however the milk works especially well, and the baking soda and water is good too, and remember to drink something with honey and lemon after the set to soothe ur vocals, a full set of growling, whether conditioned or not still does a number on the throat

so i have less posts then him, does that make me a twatty noob too? or am i still just an asshole?

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There is a thing called Clear Voice that reduces pain and makes your voice clear and it makes screams and growls sound crazy and awesome.

Something called Clear Voice? Weird, I never heard of it. Have you tried it out? It is probably for people with a bad sore throat that can't talk much...

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No. It was in a guitar magazine and is endorsed by the singer of Ill Nino.

MAKES YOU NOT WANNA USE THE DAMM THING!!!, LOL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA,.... dosn't really work, its for pussy ass kids that dont know how to sing, lol.

no, you are just an asshole, he is a twatty little noob because he thinks that smoking is cool.

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i agree, if you are gonna growl you need to understand that it will fucking hurt, but you get used to it.

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Yeah, it hurts like a bitch at first!! But then the after effest is Great!!

I started screaming when I was like 10 and now I can scream like anyone. It doesnt hurt to scream. Clear Voice soothes your vocal cords and makes your scream raspier. It also helps you actally sing. I never said I like Ill Nino, they suck ass.

Does milk really ruin your voice? Shouldn't there be some label on it or something to warn people? Is it permanent? I have cereal with milk nearly every day, is that why I have a lot of mucus in my throat all the time? If I stop using dairy, will the extra mucus go away?

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Your joking right? How old are you seriously?

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Give 'em a break. I'm sure he's young, and when you're young you don't know shit, and the only way you learn is to ask, or wait till common sense hits you which is irritating. Oh shit I need sleep.

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I am not making fun of the kid. That's why I asked his age, if he's younge then I'll know but if not then I will know he is messing around.

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For how long have you been growling, and how much per day/week/month/whateversuitableperiodoftimeyouchoose?

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...I think it was like 10 years or so he said....I do it most every day.

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Guys, I'm 14, not 10.

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I have been at growling for about 2 1/2-3 years now. it doesnt hurt so much anymore.

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1 year of growling. 3 years of singing

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I have about 1 minute experience of growling...

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is it just me or has metal tabs turned into a zoo full of stupid noobs like this twat. In relation to Chokehold, you sir are a fucking weak minded twat

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wow, way to perpetuatite the stereotype you asshole

oh, and by the way, this whole topic is pathetic. you shouldnt have to cheat to obtain your growl. just do what you can naturally, if you cant growl, then play drums or something else

Good call. And if you've just started singing and can't sing nearly as well as Bruce Dickinson, don't practice and try and get better. Go play drums.

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Something tells me Zombie_Clown needs a drummer for his band....

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i idolize any and all of you that can scream / growl / whatever. i cant for the life of me

Cool. I'm Idolized!

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honestly, i cant tell if thats sarcasm or not

i am the drummer dipshit, the only problem is, i need a second band to play metal, my current band only plays hard rock, very frustrating

Ha, he called someone a dipshit but can't tell if CtD's post is sarcastic or not (it is).

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Hahah, funny thread.

Shit, youse made me feel like shit, reminded me of that South Park episode where the parents take the kids to the "Tolerance Museum" and then rag on a smoker outside....heheheh

Anyways, I've been a vocalist for a while, longer than I've been smoking. And no, I didn't start smoking to have deeper vocals, I don't even know why I started smoking but now I don't want to quit...I probably have cancer already so it doesn't matter to me really. I've never tried any of those things you guys mentioned, like the milk and all that other shit. My vox have always been pretty deep and raspy, but recently I've been messing with low screams instead of growls, kinda like Barney Greenway...I sound fuckin monstrous. As for clear vox, I'd love to be able to sing all that cock-rock shit but my voice cracks like a hymen so i just say fuck it. I'm just concentrating on my guitar playing right now but when I want to sing, it's all gravy, heheh.

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Has anyone tried that?? I dont' want to fuck up my voice, if anyone else has heard about it working lemme know.

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at the moment i only drink stuff to thicken temporarily, like apple juice is good stuff. delicious and nutritious too.

so your throat is as dry as a nun's cunt, thats better than rooting your vocal chords on a more permanent basis. but hey if the grinder of all things corpse-like told chow666 it works.....it probably does.

Apple juice does help, but apple blackcurrant juice is better!

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Shweet...I am idolized by someone! This is the happiest day of my life!!! I would like to thank Cannibal, and deathmetal!!!

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Krow 666, u are so full of shit. chain smoke 2 cigs? lol. if u really want a low grunt, crack your vocal chords, but still scream on them. uu can go up to mountains, and scream, and crack them, and theyll heal in about 2 weeks, or u can work at a haunted house, like i did, and crack them on accident, and still scream on them, and they'll heal in about a month and a half, and ure voice will be like 1 octave deeper. and always drink WARM fluids. Cold fluids tighten your vocal chords

i have a range from mortician to old dimmu borgir, so i know what im talking about. fuck george corpsegrinder. chris barnes is awesome, corpse-fucker mumbles live, if u havent heard live cannibalism

IF you like really deeper growls, listen to FERMENTO

even if you smoke, how are u gonna sing if you do at all... and besides, i dont think that the ladies like the smell of cigs on ya, and (once again!) besides...i think liver transplants cost less...and besides (yet another time!) the less money u spend on cigs or whatever u want, the more money you have to rock out with your cock out!...like that guy dancing on his bed or whatever...gave me nightmares donde esta Donkey Kong?

dont be talkin all the jibba jabba

Smoking - bad... but I smoke...

Fuck smoking. It accually makes your growels fucking horrible. I'm not that good of a growler myself. I can do stuff like Dying Fetus, Nile, Mortician,Lord Gore, Prostitute Disfigurement, Devourment, ect. ect.

Look at George Fisher never once smoked a cigarrette before and look at his voice. OK OK he's loosing it but whatever. He drinks warm water with baking soda.

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Hey, i am guy form Norway.
I do vocals in my band called Beyond Insanity.
In the last year i`ve grewn in knowlage of what i am doing, and that leads me up to where i am to day. but i am lookong fore some more knowlage.
Does anny one know where i can find some good advices fore how using the voice by growling. i also want the high pitch part.

-Never!

When I growl I am usually on par with Randy Bltyhe and Brain Fair. But my goal is to be able to sing like Layne Staley.

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Haha, yeah I noticed that too! I saw CoB in San Francisco when they were touring with Fear Factory and Lamb of God, and Alexi kept constantly spitting out these giant wads of crap everytime he was done singing a verse. He was actually being quite stylish about it; he would spit straight up in the air and then move to the side so it wouldn't fall on him. And the lights would be shining all over the giant spitwads too.

Exactly, I saw that when I went to see them, but then on the other hand, every recent video of COB that I see, he does that. Annoys me, it's like how the fuck could you produce that much saliva, and does he smoke?

Without really knowing, I'd say yes he does.

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Just to put in my little part on this topic, I've heard one thing about making the voice deeper (or higher). Supposedly, if you sing in a lower tone--pushing your voice as low as you can comfortably sing--then it will gradually lower your voice. Same with making it higher (although I don't know why anyone in metal would want a higher voice). I've heard that using a higher tone while singing can expand your vocal range. And also, I think, singing or even just talking with a a very low voice will stretch it deeper (although gradually). It's worth a shot. It's helped me some.

Maybe you would want a higer voice if you sang POOOOWWWEEEERRRR metal.

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singing is like lifting weights, you lift a small amount, heal and lift a bigger weight when u think u can handle it...to me it was about guaging...after a while ur throat wont hurt after a long set

Somehow I find beer helps get a really low gutteral growl, Cannibal Corpse or Lamb of God style....whenever I drink really thick beer, like malt liquor, German ale or stout like Guinness, I can growl REALLY deep, and smoking does help....but I've been a pack a day smoker since I was 12....so all you smoking newbies have alot of catching up to do lol

Cheers

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dairy products will, and rocket sauce

I can tell you from personal experience that cigarette smoking does not help my vocals, AT ALL. In fact it makes my growls worse. So don't ever take anyone else's word for it and start smoking : Smoke a cigarette and see if you can growl better. If you can't, STOP. Because if you get addicted to it, and your growls get worse, you have a huge problem.

Just fucking practice! Explore your voxbox, push it to the limits. Really stretch it by hitting the highest pitches you can!
Smoking will just take your breathing to hell with your voice in the end. And your ability to cogitate lyrics will disappear as you initiate a brian cell holocaust. And you won't be able to get the boost to do them as your spleen dissolves.
Secure a painful future if you want, but...

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Your a damn idiot man, are you sure your still not 12? Don't go telling people to start smoking and drinking and say it will work. And don't say that practicing will get your vocal box better. Actually growling is not good for your voice or vocal box if you wanna be completely CORRECT. I am not saying that growling is dumb and not to do it but it's true that it's not good for your voice. Don't drink anything cold either before singing. Take some vocal classes or something if you don't believe me. You will find out that way at least.

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I think smoking doesnt make anything better, it will just make things worse.

Growling isn´t easy, and I think that the good vocalists out there have their own special technique.
And if you do it right it shouldn ´t hurt that much.

The more often you do it, the better it will sound. Its just about practice, like everything.

It will help some people to listen to some vocals and then try to imitate them.

My only problem is, that I don´t know where I can practice the vocal stuff (besides our practice room). I can´t be that loud in my room!

I've gotten into a routine. It's; smoke one or two fags (I don't usually.. just when I'm gonna growl) and put a glass of milk in the microwave for 1minute. That's too heat up my throat and leave some mucus. Just some crap I've felt helped a bit, don't take this as law.

heh fags... lol. I dont use shit to make my vocals deeper. I have used exercieses, like putting something heavy on your chest and breathing in and out, and then starting to sing. It will build your diaphragm muscle. I wouldnt know what else to lable my growl as, at some points its like a Devourment one, and then others its like a Dimmu Borgir type yell/growl/scream. Oh well thats what i do.

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I don't do anything it just comes naturally for me takes a while to get it just practise getting your voice as low as possible and loud.

I can do vocals like Visceral Bleeding, Moritician........etc

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Some people have projection, like Bones98 and some people dont Chris Barnes =). I can project pretty well. Its not amazing like Bones98 but its a decent one. I dont do much to edit them either, i use noise reduction and thats it.

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why would anyone smoke for your vox? it hurts the number 1 thing you need for it-strong breathing habbits

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hah, sure youre not just drunk and thinking theyre deeper?

My best advice is if you want to get phlem in your throat, do some screaming first, doesnt matter if youre good or bad at it, just do some screaming, just dont hurt yourself now! I find that screaming produces phlem faster than growling. Or you can be a faggot and go drink some milk/hotsauce mixed concoction before you do it Oh, and curl your tounge slightly up, that really affects the sound. Good luck!

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Actually there alternatives to drinking beer. Beer doesnt do anything; it doesnt abuse ur throat glands in order to swell up and increase friction with the bronchial glands when growling. Beer is also foamy and still.. Basically "Stilled" beverages dont do shit.

Ohh to that guy before Shreddist; I smoke like 10-15 ciggs a day. Sadly I'm pissed off with my habits but dude, I do alot of prolonged screaming and growling and I never heard a change.

Another thing that helps alter ur voice is the placement of ur tongue. There are times when I stick out my tongue a little bit between my top and bottom teeth for those "Wet wanna be Matti Way" vocals.

FOr those gutturals I do that sound SO SIMILAR to Ruben Rosas from Devourment, I keep my tongue arched backwards a bit, not touching the top of the mouth or else it sounds a bit different.

For those raspy vocals I do; I breath in air very fast with my lips puckered up. The more open u have, the more ur vocals sound more powerful. I also breath in hair when Im screaming for those "metal core or hard core" vocals with my mouth widely open saying "EEEYAA."
Thats what i can say so far. U might get more of an idea when i record the video.

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Alexi smokes a shitload. I think he smokes some in the TL&S Lost In Helsinki vid. He said in some interview he drinks coffee and smokes before every show.

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