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Old 2004-03-08, 09:44
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Preliminary top tabbers list

EDIT: The list is available online on the homepage.


This is how the score is calculated:

Only the tabs with greater than or equal to 3 votes are taken into account. The tab ratings are reduced by 3 and summed up.

This means, an average tab (rating = 3) will give you 0 points, a perfect tab (rating = 5) will give you 2 points, a really bad tab (rating = 1) will deduct 2 points, and so on.

This way, not only the number, but also the quality of the tabs is taken into account, encouraging the tabbers to post better tabs.

I will put the real time top tabbers list on the main site in several weeks. In the mean time I kindly ask all tabbers to post here the list of his/her tabs.

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Old 2004-03-08, 17:45
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Cool Nomad, but I only have about 3 tabs up right now, they're all pretty accurate so yeah, good score, I think the quality is more important then the quantity too, I'll get some more up soon
 
Old 2004-03-09, 18:31
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yay me...now everyone is going to vote a 1 for all my tabs just so i'm not #1
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Old 2004-03-09, 19:07
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+-----------------+-------+ | username | score | +-----------------+-------+ | Father Death | 10.52 | | Def | 5.09 | | freek666 | 3.55 | | The Doctor | 3.06 | | powersofterror | 2.35 | | rotting_shaggyy | 1.83 | | BestialWarrior | 0.33 | +-----------------+-------+


This is how the score is calculated:

Only the tabs with greater than or equal to 3 votes are taken into account. The tab ratings are reduced by 3 and summed up.

This means, an average tab (rating = 3) will give you 0 points, a perfect tab (rating = 5) will give you 2 points, a really bad tab (rating = 1) will deduct 2 points, and so on.

This way, not only the number, but also the quality of the tabs is taken into account, encouraging the tabbers to post better tabs.

I will put the real time top tabbers list on the main site in several weeks. In the mean time I kindly ask all tabbers to post here the list of his/her tabs.

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err, i did a lot over 100 tabs, you don't think i have to post all those links up here??? that takes forever!!
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Old 2004-03-09, 19:31
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Old 2004-03-09, 20:12
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err, i did a lot over 100 tabs, you don't think i have to post all those links up here??? that takes forever!!


do it you bastard...you'll most likely take over top spot...inverted has just as many tabs as we do as well, he should post too.

DO IT DO IT DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 2004-03-10, 08:40
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DO IT DO IT DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeh, do it!
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Old 2004-03-10, 13:13
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wow.. i didn't think i would make the list...
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Old 2004-03-10, 16:24
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yay me...now everyone is going to vote a 1 for all my tabs just so i'm not #1

...the ONE fault. I think someone did me a low rating just in spite of me, but oh well.
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Old 2004-03-10, 19:47
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well ok, i'll try to do my list tomorrow!
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Old 2004-03-12, 20:31
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...the ONE fault. I think someone did me a low rating just in spite of me, but oh well.


i think that happens a little more often than you think...like most of my rammstein tabs, just cause my version is better than the previous...
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Old 2004-03-12, 22:08
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and why dont people vote when they take a look at my tabs
 
Old 2004-03-13, 06:20
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i think that happens a little more often than you think...like most of my rammstein tabs, just cause my version is better than the previous...


Amen...
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Old 2004-03-13, 09:08
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Amen...

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Old 2004-03-17, 17:30
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+-----------------+-------+------+ | name | score | tabs | +-----------------+-------+------+ | death8699 | 67.52 | 113 | | INVERTED | 38.46 | 164 | +-----------------+-------+------+

Not anymore...
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Old 2004-03-18, 00:18
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+-----------------+-------+------+
| name | score | tabs |
+-----------------+-------+------+
| metaltabs28 | -4.77 | 22 |
+-----------------+-------+------+


ha ha ha ha
hes doing well
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Old 2004-04-07, 02:15
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I know, I know. My old tabs really suck. I know, I had to laugh too when I got a negative score. I quit playing for a few months. Next time I post a tab, I promise to make sure it's perfect.
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Old 2004-04-15, 02:47
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This rating system could backfire with people just attempting EASY tabs to get a 5/5 rating (I hope I'm not giving anyone ideas..). That sucks for me, as I usually attempt stuff that challenges me...
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Old 2004-04-15, 07:48
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This rating system could backfire with people just attempting EASY tabs to get a 5/5 rating (I hope I'm not giving anyone ideas..). That sucks for me, as I usually attempt stuff that challenges me...

Take it easy mate, it's just numbers
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Old 2004-05-19, 20:30
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Heres my list if you wanted it:

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Disiplin
A Lesson In Discipline
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5.00 (1)
edit


Hate Engine
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5.00 (1)
edit

Emperor
Empty
G
0.00 (0)
edit

Immortal
Sons of Northern Darkness
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5.00 (2)
edit

Lumsk
I lytinne tvá
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5.00 (1)
edit


I trollehender
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5.00 (1)
edit


Langt nord i Trollebotten
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5.00 (1)
edit


Ormin Lange
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5.00 (1)
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Windir
Destroy
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5.00 (1)
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Todeswalzer
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0.00 (0)
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Old 2004-05-19, 20:52
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It's only about tabs posted in the old Tab Posting forum. All new tabs are already linked to logins.
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Old 2004-05-25, 04:42
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Hey, if I post a powertab and exported the ASCII plain text, for every tab I did, does that mean I'd be getting potentially up to twice the score for each tab like 'Inverted' does?
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Old 2004-05-25, 08:27
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It depends on the quality of the tabs
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Old 2004-06-15, 16:57
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Hey Nomad, I also posted a tab when I joined.... and it was considerd good by Darkenelf. Why is my pride not under my name?
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Old 2004-06-15, 17:17
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Old 2004-06-15, 17:30
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ja, reading sucks I know

But I only have one. should I start a thread for one?
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Old 2004-06-15, 17:46
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Old 2004-06-18, 06:31
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It's nothing to get to worried over. Sometimes I'm amazed though... I'm looking at Inverted's version of Death's "Together as One" and it's only voted a 3.00. Some people just vote low to be dicks, I guess. I remember seeing other tabs having really fucked up votes, too. In the end it's not any more important than the "hold" stat in baseball, especially because we don't get paid to tab.

I personally only tab stuff either because I'm sick of looking for a tab and not finding it or because someone asks me too.

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Old 2004-10-20, 15:33
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EDIT: The list is available online on the homepage.


This is how the score is calculated:

Only the tabs with greater than or equal to 3 votes are taken into account. The tab ratings are reduced by 3 and summed up.

This means, an average tab (rating = 3) will give you 0 points, a perfect tab (rating = 5) will give you 2 points, a really bad tab (rating = 1) will deduct 2 points, and so on.

This way, not only the number, but also the quality of the tabs is taken into account, encouraging the tabbers to post better tabs.

I will put the real time top tabbers list on the main site in several weeks. In the mean time I kindly ask all tabbers to post here the list of his/her tabs.

cheers
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Old 2004-10-22, 09:52
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grrrrrr can i get a few more tab ratings!!!!!!!!!!! after 81 tabs i deserve better than a score of 4!!!! (i aint rating my own tab)
 
Old 2004-10-22, 10:02
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Old 2004-10-22, 10:46
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Old 2004-11-05, 16:02
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Check my sig for my tabs, but I guess I won't get votes since I don't submit here.

Boo hoo

I'm with Chris, I tab for myself so I'll know how to play the song if I ever want to. The fact that they're online is just because it doesn't cost me anything to do so, so why not? I'd still tab if I had no internet access.
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Old 2004-11-12, 21:20
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Old 2004-11-14, 09:24
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on a side note, nobody cares.


On a more accurate note, I care. I'm not sure who exactly Abysslord is, but I know he's either somebody I know or somebody who's associated with people I know by name (Russ Elton, et al.). Those people do great work.

In all honesty, you should submit your tabs here. Make one nick that you guys can all submit tabs under. If the nick is associated with all of you, then all of you get credit. Makes sense to me.
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Old 2004-11-14, 16:06
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On a more accurate note, I care. I'm not sure who exactly Abysslord is, but I know he's either somebody I know or somebody who's associated with people I know by name (Russ Elton, et al.). Those people do great work.

He is Russ Elton, and they do fantastic work.
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Old 2004-11-16, 16:32
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On a more accurate note, I care. I'm not sure who exactly Abysslord is, but I know he's either somebody I know or somebody who's associated with people I know by name (Russ Elton, et al.). Those people do great work.

In all honesty, you should submit your tabs here. Make one nick that you guys can all submit tabs under. If the nick is associated with all of you, then all of you get credit. Makes sense to me.


Yeah, basically all the tab work is done by myself now (Russ), with some help from Jordan Baker and a few others who point out mistakes. I've had people help and fix things over the years (hence the names on the tabs), and for MF/KD I teamed up with two other people. But now I'm the only one doing work on them.

I'll keep submitting when I get time, it doesn't hurt so why not?
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Old 2005-01-11, 13:04
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what if only tabbers could rate the tabs. Maybe it would be more fair... anyways... just a thought
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Old 2005-01-12, 04:36
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Old 2005-01-12, 08:20
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dunno about forum members only, i think the regular "ill go through and rate this guys tabs 1/5 on purpose" is from inside the ranks. and besides it would be a bit hard to keep tracks on who are members (unless nomad somehow merges the tab page and forum together.) but something has to be done.
 
Old 2005-01-12, 08:31
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Yeah true. You should be able to see who's giving you ratings then.
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Old 2005-01-12, 23:40
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Old 2005-02-02, 08:59
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Old 2005-02-02, 22:31
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we should add a seperate list of top 20 sorted by total number of tabs as well. basically i'm just scared i'm gunna be knocked outta the list soon, which is a damn shame considering the total number of tabs i've done. most of which are actually of good quality too.
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Old 2005-02-03, 00:22
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we should add a seperate list of top 20 sorted by total number of tabs as well. basically i'm just scared i'm gunna be knocked outta the list soon, which is a damn shame considering the total number of tabs i've done. most of which are actually of good quality too.


Hahaha, don't be so worried my tabbing comrade. I got knocked out of the top 20 when my score dropped from 30+ to 10.7 overnight. Why worry about how people vote? The voting is arbitrary at best. I'm sure the voting format will be improved, as I do understand Nomad intends to improve it. For now, though, you might as well ignore it. People will vote badly for many different reasons. Some of them will give you a bad vote because they can't play the song you tabbed and feel the need to blame you for their own inadequecy. Some of them will give you a bad vote without even trying to play your tab. Then there are the infamous voters who just give you a bunch of 1s either as a joke or because they are mad at you and think it will bother you. When you take this seriously, you are allowing them to annoy you.

I have my own ideas that I would like to suggest that might improve the tab rating system, but since this thread isn't really for that, I'll save them to myself for now.
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Old 2005-02-03, 05:23
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Hahaha, don't be so worried my tabbing comrade. I got knocked out of the top 20 when my score dropped from 30+ to 10.7 overnight. Why worry about how people vote? The voting is arbitrary at best. I'm sure the voting format will be improved, as I do understand Nomad intends to improve it. For now, though, you might as well ignore it. People will vote badly for many different reasons. Some of them will give you a bad vote because they can't play the song you tabbed and feel the need to blame you for their own inadequecy. Some of them will give you a bad vote without even trying to play your tab. Then there are the infamous voters who just give you a bunch of 1s either as a joke or because they are mad at you and think it will bother you. When you take this seriously, you are allowing them to annoy you.

I have my own ideas that I would like to suggest that might improve the tab rating system, but since this thread isn't really for that, I'll save them to myself for now.



Well said.
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Old 2005-02-03, 11:41
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I have my own ideas that I would like to suggest that might improve the tab rating system, but since this thread isn't really for that, I'll save them to myself for now.

I wouldn't mind if you post your ideas here
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Old 2005-02-03, 23:48
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I wouldn't mind if you post your ideas here


Okay. Some of the things I'll mention have probably been mentioned before by both other people and by me, so just bear with me here if I get redundant. I've got a bunch of random ideas, you can decide if you like any of them.

First things first- we need a panel of voters. Yes, that's right, a group of people selected to vote for tabs. Now, this idea has many, many options. The biggest question here would be who exactly comprises the panel, right? Well, there are many different ideas here. One option would be that only qualified tabbers could be on the panel. Another option would simply be that you have to be registered to the forum in order to be on the panel. You could also come up with certain requirements. Let's assume for a moment that you would go with the qualified tabber option.

Well, first off, what makes them qualified? There are a lot of options here. You could base it on the number of tabs the person had submitted, or the quality of that person's tabs. This area is probably limited, so lets move on to the idea of general forumers being selected to the panel.

There is a lot more room for options here. I feel that there would need to be certain restrictions here. The restrictions could be based upon many things, including post count, age, or how long they've been here. I think how long a person has been here is more important than either post count or age, but any combination or all three could prove to be worthwhile restrictions. There should be no limit to the number of people allowed onto the panel.

There are other options here, as well. For example, how does somebody become part of the panel? I think it would work better if people weren't automatically selected to the panel, but rather, if they either asked to be allowed in or are invited to join by members of the moderation staff and the existing panel. This would help ensure that only quality voters are allowed in. Naturally, this whole idea could be shaky at first, but would steadily improve and prove it's worth.

I think a new forum should be created to accomodate the voting panel and any problems. For example, if, after the voting panel is already put into use, somebody should still have a problem with people coming in an giving him all 1's, he should be able to voice his concerns in this forum, which should be addressed by a moderator. Perhaps it might also be worthwhile to acknowledge a hierarchy within the voting panel, perhaps there could be a head of it or several people acknowledged as managers or, since this is a forum, perhaps as panel moderators.

Now, people need to be logged in before they can vote, that's a given if you like any of the ideas I've presented. Now people need to know who voted for each tab. How would this work? Well, there are several ways it could work. It could work so that anybody could see who voted for a tab. It could also work so that only members of the panel could see who voted. Perhaps it could be made so that all members of the panel can see with the exception of the tabber himself, if he happens to be part of the panel. Some tabs really are 2's and 1's, so if it's a legitimate vote, perhaps we'd be better off not knowing who gave us a 1, as some of my fellow tabbers are quick fickle folks who might tend to change their opinion of somebody based on how they voted for them. Another idea is that those who are allowed to see the votes would be based on the proposed hierarchy, for example, perhaps only the head of the voting panel can see who voted. A better idea might be to allow all moderators of the voting panel to see.

I have another strong idea for this panel that I like, but admit might be unnecessary. This idea would be for people to explain what they liked or didn't like about any given tab they have voted for. This would ensure that people were legitimately familiar with the tab they are voting for and not just voting for arbitrary or frivolous reasons.

I think the biggest plusses for this idea are that #1. only people who are registered here can vote, assuring that jokers can't just come in from google and fuck around, and #2. somebody or everybody on the panel would be able to see who voted for each and every tab, which would drastically cut down on the number of people who vote out of spite or as a joke.

Another idea I have is that, once the voting panel is implemented, all votes are stricken and we start anew. This would level the playing field, so to speak, to those who unnecessarily view this as a competition of sorts.

I'm very interested in hearing what you think of this. If you like the idea, feel free to add your own ideas, and you can PM me if you want to hammer out any details. I do understand that even if you do like this idea, it would take quite a while for you to be able to implement this. If it is too complicated or unfeasible, perhaps we can dumb it down, so to speak.
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First things first- we need a panel of voters. Yes, that's right, a group of people selected to vote for tabs. Now, this idea has many, many options. The biggest question here would be who exactly comprises the panel, right? Well, there are many different ideas here. One option would be that only qualified tabbers could be on the panel. Another option would simply be that you have to be registered to the forum in order to be on the panel. You could also come up with certain requirements. Let's assume for a moment that you would go with the qualified tabber option.


Yep. We need this.

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Well, first off, what makes them qualified? There are a lot of options here. You could base it on the number of tabs the person had submitted, or the quality of that person's tabs. This area is probably limited, so lets move on to the idea of general forumers being selected to the panel.
There is a lot more room for options here. I feel that there would need to be certain restrictions here. The restrictions could be based upon many things, including post count, age, or how long they've been here. I think how long a person has been here is more important than either post count or age, but any combination or all three could prove to be worthwhile restrictions. There should be no limit to the number of people allowed onto the panel.


I generally agree with this, but how long they've been here shouldn't matter too much, if:
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Yep, but maybe there should be mods for different genres. It is unlikely that the Voting Panel, even with quite a few members would know whether all the tabs for obscure black metal bands, or Grindcore bands for example, are accurate. Another idea, maybe there should be some sort of "Degree of Difficulty" for a tab, I don't know how this could work, I'm just throwing the idea up.

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It could work so that anybody could see who voted for a tab. It could also work so that only members of the panel could see who voted. Perhaps it could be made so that all members of the panel can see with the exception of the tabber himself, if he happens to be part of the panel.

Yes, members have been asking for this before, I'd really like to see it myself.

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I have another strong idea for this panel that I like, but admit might be unnecessary. This idea would be for people to explain what they liked or didn't like about any given tab they have voted for. This would ensure that people were legitimately familiar with the tab they are voting for and not just voting for arbitrary or frivolous reasons.

I'm for this too, but I think that in the "text box" where they'd have to write their reasons you'd get a lot of bullshit posted. And I don't think mods could filter through it all.

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DEFINATELY.

So these are my thoughts, if they were to come to fruition it wouldn't be a perfect system, but it would be a lot better and fairer I think.
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Damn... I forgot to introduce several points entirely. My mistake. Anyway, they mostly revolve around voting efficiency.

Voting efficiency would be acheived by implementing a system where votes register to vote for certain albums, bands, or tunings. For example, I don't listen to Nasum and never will. Therefore, I won't ever vote for a Nasum tab. On the other hand, I do listen to Morbid Angel. Thusly, I could volunteer to rate any Morbid Angel tabs. Now, there are more specifics involved. For example, Morbid Angel's albums and songs come in several different tunings. Perhaps I listen to Formulas Fatal to the Flesh a lot, but I might not be tuned that low, and it might not be possible for me to tune that low with my strings. On the other hand, I'm already in Eb. What does that mean? It means I should register or volunteer to rate tabs for certain Morbid Angel songs tuned to Eb.

Now, how exactly would this work? I'm not entirely sure. It could be something as simple as anytime a tab is posted, somebody volunteers to rate it. It could also be more complicated, but my limited knowledge on web design and coding doesn't allow me to elaborate. I have the ideas in my head, but don't really have a way to articulate it. I'll try anyway.

As an example, there could be a drop down list similar to the drop down list presented to you when you are going to submit a tab. This could be divided similarly to the submission list, for example, band, album, and song. One obvious difference here is that on top of listing every song, there should also be a list on the bottom that represents every song on the album, in case you want to do the whole thing. Another idea is that there is a blank space similar to the space you copy and paste your tab into upon submission, and on this list you type out each song on a particular album you're willing to rate. This would make it easier for somebody who is willing to rate 6 out of 9 songs on an album, because they can't click on "Whole album/every song/all", but they still won't have to go back to individually register every song.
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Sounds complex, but if Nomad could find a way to do it, that would be cool. However, you should be able to update your registered songs.
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Sounds complex, but if Nomad could find a way to do it, that would be cool. However, you should be able to update your registered songs.


Naturally, you'd have to. Otherwise, you could only do it once, and it wouldn't be worth the hassle. Perhaps I should have pointed that out as well! I wonder if there are any other details or options I might have left out... If you have any suggestions you might make, or anybody else has any suggestions, go right ahead.
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i also think there should be different divisions.

i mean; i have a lot of motorhead tabs, they're not that hard, but when i tab em good people vote. In the List i have almost 30 point, right between all the blokes who can figure out the most insane cryptopsy solo's.
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I agree with Chris when he mentions that complexity should be taken into consideration but how this would be integrated into the scoring mechanism I don't know.

EDIT: Whoa, Darkenelf has shot into the lead! He's put on 40+ points in 24 hours.
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I agree with Chris when he mentions that complexity should be taken into consideration but how this would be integrated into the scoring mechanism I don't know.

EDIT: Whoa, Darkenelf has shot into the lead! He's put on 40+ points in 24 hours.


He's not the only one. My score has jumped back up from like 15 to 30 in the past 3 days. Maybe now instead of jerks who randomly give us all ones, there are jerks going around giving us all fives... no, no, I jest, 'tis a joke.

BTW, I totally agree about the complexity thing. Well, not totally, because I don't want to see things divided. I just think it might be nice for there to be extra points involved due to a particular song's complexity. I'd much rather be recognized for my hard work on songs by bands like Watchtower, Suffocation, Atheist, Monstrosity and the like as opposed to the insanely easy stuff I've done like older Cannibal Corpse, post-1994 Deicide, and Nuclear Assault. Like I said, I prefer the idea of extra points rewarded as opposed to other people being penalized for tabbing easy stuff, unless, of course, it's Anal Cunt. Anybody who wastes their time tabbing Anal Cunt should get all 3's.

Also, another thing I feel strongly about is the tab ratings changing from 1-5 to 1-10. I love the range of 1-10. This way you can give the tab the exact rating you think it deserves. In the 1-5 system, you might think a tab is worth a 9, which would translate to 4.5 Since there is no 4.5, you'd have to either lowball the guy or fellate him unnecessarily. Now, let's say the tab already has a rating. Let's say the rating is 5. Some people would be tempted to give the tab a vote that would purposely skew his whole total to what they think it should be by giving it a 4, making the total 4.5. This is wrong. You should always give the vote you think is fair, and not give the person a lower or higher vote in order to skew his entire total for a song.

Like I said, I have a lot of ideas. I'm sure I have more yet that I've forgotten to mention, when they come to me, I'll be back.
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Another point is, who decides whether a tab is complex? A beginner may find even the simplest Metallica songs complex and award complexity points accordingly. Maybe the best way to implement this would be to have a separate complexity rating system (from 1-5 in the current system) that would then act as a multiplier on the accuracy rating. I think that maybe this would be the easiest method of implementing extra points for difficult and complex tabs.

I like the idea of the rate of multiplication being psuedo-exponential, ie, the multiplying factor increases by an increasing amount with each step up the complexity scale. As an example you could have the following complexity system and the relevant multiplying factors:

Complexity rating - multiplying factor (increase upon last multiplying factor)

1 - 1.00
2 - 1.10 (0.10)
3 - 1.25 (0.15)
4 - 1.75 (0.50)
5 - 3.00 (1.25)

Obviously, this has two main drawbacks:

1. To get these multiplying factors, Nomad would have to implement an exact formula which will yield all sorts of fiendish numbers as multipliers and this could lead to confusion on how the multiplying factor is calculated. Do most 13-14 year olds even know what the exponential function is? However, I believe that a rounding system would nullify this problem.

2. You would still get beginners rating a song like No Remorse with a 4 or 5. This drawback is harder to eliminate without a moderator imposing his own opinion on the distribution of votes, ie, discounting higher complexity votes for obviously simple songs. However, I'd like to think that a realistic average would be attained if voting carries on as it has in the last week or so, even with the input of none-the-wiser beginners.
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Another point is, who decides whether a tab is complex?


A 'rating' mod(s) (see one of Chris' earlier posts) who has a proven all-round knowledge of the metal genre and has a basic understanding of how complex a song is from hearing it.
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As far as I'm aware though, none of our tab forum mods are particularly interested in black metal. BM can get complex too, just listen to latter day Emperor. I'd prefer a separate complexity rating which can be used to calculate a multiplier. This way a tabbers score is not dependent on the whim of one or two people but relies more on the 'automated' process of votes from members/visitors. Besides just assigning extra points sounds like a lot of additional work for the mods: in the interest of fairness they'd have to go through and add complexity points to all of the archived tabs.
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Another point is, who decides whether a tab is complex? A beginner may find even the simplest Metallica songs complex and award complexity points accordingly. Maybe the best way to implement this would be to have a separate complexity rating system (from 1-5 in the current system) that would then act as a multiplier on the accuracy rating. I think that maybe this would be the easiest method of implementing extra points for difficult and complex tabs.

I like the idea of the rate of multiplication being psuedo-exponential, ie, the multiplying factor increases by an increasing amount with each step up the complexity scale. As an example you could have the following complexity system and the relevant multiplying factors:

Complexity rating - multiplying factor (increase upon last multiplying factor)

1 - 1.00
2 - 1.10 (0.10)
3 - 1.25 (0.15)
4 - 1.75 (0.50)
5 - 3.00 (1.25)

Obviously, this has two main drawbacks:

1. To get these multiplying factors, Nomad would have to implement an exact formula which will yield all sorts of fiendish numbers as multipliers and this could lead to confusion on how the multiplying factor is calculated. Do most 13-14 year olds even know what the exponential function is? However, I believe that a rounding system would nullify this problem.

2. You would still get beginners rating a song like No Remorse with a 4 or 5. This drawback is harder to eliminate without a moderator imposing his own opinion on the distribution of votes, ie, discounting higher complexity votes for obviously simple songs. However, I'd like to think that a realistic average would be attained if voting carries on as it has in the last week or so, even with the input of none-the-wiser beginners.


Who decides whether the song is complex wouldn't be a problem the way I propose it because it's all part of my panel idea. There simply wouldn't be newbies on the panel, perhaps newbies to the forum, but definitely not guitar newbies. Also, I'd have to be against a 1-5 complexity scale as well, it'd have to be 1-10 in my opinion. Otherwise bands like Suffocation, Atheist, and older Monstrosity would have to be 5's because they are too complex to be 4's, which is an obvious travesty when compared to real 5's like Necrophagist or some Watchtower. In a 1-10, those bands would fit in a 9 niche just nicely, probably 8 for most newer Monstrosity.

It would also naturally go song by song, not band by band. If it goes by band, then anybody could just pick a typically complex band like Monstrosity or Suffocation and tab out an uncharacteristically easy song like "Fragments of Resolution" or "Catatonia". How complex this song is wouldn't be decided by the entire panel, it's head, or it's mods, but, rather, whatever individual panel members happen to vote for the tab.
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Why should the complexity of a song have anything to do with the scoring? Shouldn't the score just be based on the author's interpretation and how close it is? Adding a complexity factor just seems like an easier way for tabbers who can tab that well to boost their score....

if you get me..
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Why should the complexity of a song have anything to do with the scoring? Shouldn't the score just be based on the author's interpretation and how close it is? Adding a complexity factor just seems like an easier way for tabbers who can tab that well to boost their score....

if you get me..


So, you are saying that the more talented tabbers should have a similar score to far less talented tabbers? Please explain your reasoning here, this sounds very illogical.

In my opinion, of course the more talented tabbers should have a higher score. What exactly is unfair about that?
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i would have about the same score, but only for my number of tabs. i have a large number of mortician and burzum tabs which were quite easy to do, as well as some much more complex tabs. but as was said before, less experienced guitar players would look at my mortician tabs, and say "holy shit, this cunt's amazing! that's the most technical thing i've ever seen!" and give me a huge rating that i don't really DESERVE since they take about 10 minutes to tab out.

anyway, i don't think it's worth it.
 
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i would have about the same score, but only for my number of tabs. i have a large number of mortician and burzum tabs which were quite easy to do, as well as some much more complex tabs. but as was said before, less experienced guitar players would look at my mortician tabs, and say "holy shit, this cunt's amazing! that's the most technical thing i've ever seen!" and give me a huge rating that i don't really DESERVE since they take about 10 minutes to tab out.

anyway, i don't think it's worth it.


You obviously didn't read what I wrote throughout this thread. There wouldn't be less experienced players saying your Mortician tabs are 5 out of 5 on a complexity scale because there simply wouldn't be inexperienced people voting. This whole idea hinges on a panel, if you want to know more about that, simply read what I wrote earlier in this thread.

I'm still waiting for the people who disagree to explain why less talented tabbers deserved the same score as the more talented tabbers. Going by that logic, since the accuracy of a tab often relies on a tabber's ability, a highly innaccurate tab with many missing parts deserves the same as a complete, fully accurate tab. So, please, enlighten me as to why somebody who only tabs Anal Cunt derserves to be recognized as being as good as somebody who tabs Necrophagist or Nile.
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It just a number Chris. If it makes you feel better I will declare that ALL of your tabs are better than thedoctors 1 bar SOD tabs.
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if it makes you feel more better, one tab of yours is more well-constructed than all my mortician tabs put together....
 
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there's something else that could be a flaw with your system chris.

fuck...i'm dead. normally pretty easy riffs. most of the time (especially from the split EP), damn near impossible to hear.

how would we rate the complexity of bands with easy-ish riffs that are impossible to hear?
 
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It just a number Chris. If it makes you feel better I will declare that ALL of your tabs are better than thedoctors 1 bar SOD tabs.


This doesn't have so much to do with me as it has to do with fairness. I'm not in this for glory and never have been. If you look at my tab list, I don't work exclusively on tech shit. In fact, I'd have to imagine less than half of my tabs were tech at all. I've done a ton of easy songs like that Nuclear Assault tab, plus all those old Cannibal Corpse and Deicide tabs, not super easy, but hardly what I'd call technical metal.

This more has to do with the people who do work almost exclusively with tech stuff, more power to them, I say. Personally, when looking through my own stuff, I'd like to be able to see a disparity between my easier stuff and my hard stuff. Why should I get the same score for a tab that took me less than an hour as opposed to a tab that took me months?

As far as production goes, I hadn't thought of it and you're the first person to bring it up. So far, it doesn't look like anybody likes my idea anyway, so it's really irrelevant. If my idea were to go through, we could further discuss it, or we could now. I've done a lot of stuff off of albums with shit for production, and I don't mind so much that I'd get the same score for a song from Breeding the Spawn as I would for a song from Pierced from Within. In fairness, though, there is a disparity there, and perhaps that should be quantified as well. What exactly do you think should be done here?
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I thought your idea was pretty good.

I do agree with your thoughts on the production thing, tabbing a Breeding song would be even more difficult than tabbing a Pierced one generally. However, as good as it is to brainstorm these ideas, I don't think you're going to get a perfectly fair system regardless. I personally would not bother with chucking the production into the score if I was making the tab rating system. But I'm not................
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I dunno, i barelly could understand what Chris wrote.... , there're words that I still don't know there Chris..hahahaha.

So, the main thing sounds very fair to me.
 
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btw are you voting for yourself? The hit to vote ratio for your tabs definately does not add up...
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btw are you voting for yourself? The hit to vote ratio for your tabs definately does not add up...


I voted for myself once on my Ulver-Hoyfjeldsbilde tab (the first tab I submitted) and nothing happened so I didnt do it anymore (oddly enough, thats my tab with the lowest score). But besides that I'm not, I'm a bit curious also as to how my score went up almost 10 points over night...

How is the score calculated anyway?
 
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Haha I voted for my veru first tab also, but nothing else
 
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How is the score calculated anyway?


Only counts if there is 3 votes or more. A score of 3 counts zero points, score of four counts 1, and a five counts 2 points. anything below a 3 with five votes deducts points.
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Old 2005-03-27, 13:15
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who's at the bottom of the tabbers list?
me???
 
Old 2005-03-28, 09:10
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powersofterror i think
 
Old 2005-03-28, 09:21
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Fuck, I have so many tabs rated 5, and so many with less than 3 votes... That same amount of "So many" Is the same "So many" as the ones without 3 tabs
 
Old 2005-03-28, 19:25
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if i submitted a new tab i rate it a number that i think it deserves
also so others will look at my tab instead of older tabs that were done with lost of mistakes etc

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Old 2005-03-29, 02:09
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Well, of course you'll think it deserves a 5, won't you?
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Old 2005-03-29, 06:59
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i very rarely rate my own tab. if somebody gives one of my tabs a 1 just to be a cunt, i will give it a 5 so it becomes a neutral score (although it hasn't come in to effect by now). but, i rated my own "fraction off death" tab as 4/5.
 
Old 2005-03-30, 22:13
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Well, of course you'll think it deserves a 5, won't you?
no.. if i did a tab and im missing some part on a solo i rate it a 4, 5 is for a tab that is 100% correct, and none of my tabs are, they are all like 95% to 99% complete but i dont think they deserve a 5

btw.. insight and the catharsis tab by dimmu borgir, tabbed by astenu the
(old) dimmu guitarist, the solos arent even right and he tabbed it himself and probaly wrote it himself 2, doesnt make sence to me

anyway im working to fix those solos (1 done already) and then ill rate my first 5
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Old 2005-05-30, 06:19
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Here's how I feel about the "rating songs with complexity figured in" thing.

I don't think it matters how complex a song is when you're rating a tab or transcriber. Think of it like this:

One guy tabs 10 songs that are very very simple, but they're 100% correct. Another guy tabs 5 songs that are very complex and they're 100% correct too. Who's to say the guy doing the easier songs isn't as good? Just because he opts to do easy songs doesn't make him less of a transcriber. If he DOES ever attempt a hard song, then you would still rate it based on how close it is to the song, not on his past performace rating or something. So if the easy-song-guy attempts a Dream Theater and people rate is 2-3, then you see in his profile "Ok I guess he's good at easy stuff but that may be it".

I don't know if that made sense or not, but I think a tab is a tab. You rate a tab based on the accuracy regardless of how hard it may be. When you look through a person's list of tabs, THEN you can see all the songs, judge for yourself if they're complex or not, and see the rating people have given.

The rating system will always be a little messed up though. I mean if someone has trouble figuring a song out, chances are they won't be able to tell if the transcriber got everything correct. A lot of times I'll see tabs missing a few open E palm mutes, or maybe they'll have power chords with the octave and it's just the root and fifth, or thirds being played as fifths, yet they get a perfect rating. It's understandable because to a lesser trained ear it does sound a lot like the CD and you can easily play along and get away with it, but it's not 100% accurate. The only way to fix it would be to have a panel of very experienced transcribers who can tab stuff pretty accurately so they can pick out those things. But because that would take an enormous amount of time, I think the system of letting anyone vote is good enough because chances are it all evens out. You should be able to list comments with ratings though, as it only helps the transcriber find mistakes or maybe explain why the tab IS correct and the rater is wrong.
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Old 2005-07-07, 23:12
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It wouldn't only take a huge amount of time, but having a limited number of voters would be quite hard because there are so many bands that not many people here listen to (Take within temptation for example: I have several tabs of theirs for months and they haven't ever been rated... and I don't think any of the people who'd be chosen would listen to WT because, well, it's just less metal than we used for them to be... in the previous albums...)

This thing applies to many other bands (gothic is not really one of the top genres on this website), bands like Tristania and Theatre of Tragedy... oh it's an enourmous list.

Otherwise having a limited number of voters seems very advantageous to me... and I agree with tab voting from 1 to 10 (I am used to that from school...) It's sadly true what has been said: We will never get a perfect rating system... but I think the best thing is to see who the voters are for each song. So even if we won't get a selection of voters, I guess it's still good to see who the voters are.

About the hard/easy tabs matter, my opinion is that it's too much of an imprecise factor. My tabs are of quite easy songs (usually... it really depends, I love powertabbing more complicated things...)

I also would consider that a powertab is indeed more valuable than a normal guitar tab so I do not mind if a person has both the PT and ASCII of it - for making one I guess one deserves getting rated twice.
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Old 2005-10-07, 00:20
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sorry to disapoint some but, i find this rating system to be really useless.
 
Old 2005-10-13, 18:24
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I agree with you.
 
Old 2005-10-30, 11:23
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sorry to disapoint some but, i find this rating system to be really useless.
it is useless. also, say i make a bad tab, and it gets rated say a 3, and u make an update months later, wich made the tab 100% correct, the tab will still be rated a 3, where it should get a higher number.

but then again, it is handy in a way.
if there are 10 versions of the same song, then i usualy pick the one with the highest rating first.

BUT some peeps that rate those tabs are complete idiots that cant play guitar (or whatever) and there fore rate a tab good or bad, cuz they simply cant play


so yeah its useless
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Old 2005-10-30, 15:41
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I wouldn`t say its totally useless, but maybe the original rating should be removed from a tab when its updated so it can have a fresh start or something
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Old 2005-10-30, 15:48
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I wouldn`t say its totally useless, but maybe the original rating should be removed from a tab when its updated so it can have a fresh start or something

I've often thought of that too. Good idea.
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Old 2005-11-30, 16:15
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Old 2005-11-30, 16:35
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