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Old 2002-05-17, 11:46
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I guess it really all depends on if you can utilize the string. If 4 strings are kickin ur ass dont go to 5, but if your at a point when 4 doesnt do anything for you anymore, and you can deal with a thicker neck and small string spaces, then get a 5. I have a 4 string fender jazz bass and a 5 string schecter diamond series elite 4 and theres no reason at all to play the 4 string.
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Old 2002-05-18, 04:00
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hm hey metalpoldi I've seen a really cool stingray from that store in ibbenburen on the internet, it was a second hand but a limited model
I will probably visit them next month but it's a long trip from the netherlands that's the downside.
I will visit Waveworld today, a dutch guitar/bass store theyve got wick's ibanez's and stingrays and theyve even got basscollection.. I wanna try them.
I'll get back to you.
ohw, annduhm, try to get your hands on the BTB prestige model, it's great (though fucking expensive.)
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http://www.rrow2.freeserve.co.uk/gu...ab/basslab.html

check this out...some of these are just absurd...

yellow longbow?
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Old 2002-05-18, 06:27
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Well these basses would fit perfectly into the Jetsons-comic-series. And i think these are fully made out of plastic, like the Ibanez EDR-series, but even the neck and the head. Rellay canīt imagine how the sound, but they are fucking expensive, although they do not resist fire.
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Tell me about the price of the BassCollection-basses, canīt find it anywhere. And the store in Ibbenbüren has gone bigger. Before you couldnīt test the guitars/basses anywhere, because their was no place left. Everywhere were instruments.
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Old 2002-05-18, 09:04
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YES YES YES!

I tried a basscollection today! it was rather great!
it costed 1400 euro, but it was nice!
the string spacing was perfect and the sound was great (I played thru a Eden top with a BagEnd 8x10" cab) <-- that rocked.
I also tried a stingray, it was also nice but I don't know about the neck it has weird frets, much larger or something and ofcourse, less frets. not 24..

what also was a pleasent surprise to me was the ibanez sr885, it tried it it was second hand but some fool made it fretless (so kinda useless to me)

Oh, and those ergodyne ibanez basses are pretty fucked up, they look nice and the body shape is kinda cool but the sound is awfull, they sound like plastic and if you look close the whole bass is made outta some weird plastic stuff.. I don't know but I won't buy an ergodyne...
I'm thinkin about the basscollection more serious now, it sounded like a warwick but then with a ibanez SR like body shape and better pickups..
if you want more info about the basscollection basses + prices, check www.wils.nl that's a dutch music distributor that has the price list.

the store in ibbenburen, is it nice? they got a shitload of basses from what I've heard
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Old 2002-05-18, 12:21
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Yeah, theyīve got about hundreds basses or so to test. But more guitars. I donīt know how much, but you get hit because of the view of so many guitars in just one look.
And they have a switch so that you can etst nearly every amp with every cabinet. But i think you have to ask the staff for it. And the staff sucks. All the people i know who have been there didnīt like the staff. But i think nearly every staff in Germany sucks, so the staff in MusicStore Cologne.
But the store is nice. I think it is even bigger know, than the last time iīve been there. he door-opener is a guitar, then you wlk through a walk of fame. Famous musicians made out of wax and thereīs a huge strat made out of stone on the fllor. So it is a nice shop.

Have fun there and bring time with you. Once iīve been there over three hours, just testing guitars and basses.
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Old 2002-05-18, 15:33
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ahh, nice, I will visit the store in Ibbenburen, it's uhm called E--team or something? I don't know, it's pretty big though, they've got a lot of second hand.
that story, musicservice in cologne is really big huh? maybé I'll go there, don't know if it's close to the border or not...

Ow, If you get a chance to try a basscollection bass, go for it, it's worth the try.
I always take my sweet time to try out basses, I played half an our on that stingray today and I tried an SR1205 fretless (a fool made it fretless..)

what basses do you own right now?
oh, and damn those demeter and eden amps rock!
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At the moment i own a stuart spector NS200Q4. I think it is in the last catalogue of MusicStore Cologne. ( http://www.ssdbass.com/ ). Itīs the professional-series made in corea. So not the 5000$-american version. It has passive EMG HZ- Humbuckers and an active electronic. Itīs fun to play on it and has a very thin neck, 24 frets.
The other bass is a Yamaha BBN4. I bought it second hand with a Marshall Bass State 65 (65 watts; 5-band EQ; compressor) for 950 DM. Fucking great deal!!! Together they sound great. A friend of mine airbrushed it. First it had natural-finish. Now it has silver-sparkle on body and head. On the head are black flames. And around the potis are tribles who form a dragon who spits fire. All black. Not good quality, but it was cheap and looks awesome!!!
The seconds amp i own is a Trace Elliot AH 300-7. It has 350 watts and 7-band graphic EQ and a compressor in it. The cabinet is a SWR Goliath Junior III ( 2*10"). But the problem is together they sound not so great like the cheap Marshall!!! I bought first the amp and then the cabinet, so i couldnīt play them together. So i just wasted about 2500 DM!!!
Iīm looking forward to sell it and get this SWR Super Red Head Combo (tried it with the Sadowsky bass)/ an Eden Combo (unbelievable, but they cost less than this SWR Combo.) or perhaps an EBS-Combo or Glockenklang-combos. Didnīt try them, but i will. Have you played on EBS amps? And what about Demeter-amps. Donīt know them.
And iīm looking forward to buy the ESH Notorious II-bass with 5 strings. Tries the 4-string at MusikProduktiv and it sounds great. Try it!!!
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Old 2002-05-19, 09:13
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damn that's an amp...
SWR is really expensive but it's also pretty good!

oh, and Trace Elliot, I don't know, everybody thinks that brand rocks while I have bad experiences with those black/green pieces of crap.
Maybe I just ran outta luck on those amps but I tried two and the both sounded really crappy, in the place we do rehearsal there is a Trace Elliot combo but it pretty much sucks. there's also a Warwick 400w combo witch is better.
anyways, I have a better combo by far,
I own a Hughes And Kettner Bassbase 400w tube combo, it's really sweet and it has a cool eq system called Varimetric.. it has more range than a normal eq.
and it also has really cool blue neon light on the front panel, it really rocks and the sound is superb, I also use it for shows, witch is just fine, I don't need to turn the volume up to much because it's super loud. the combo has 2X12" inch speakers (celestion) and a huge horn which can be adjusted to certain frequenties.
this amp was really expensive new, it costed about 3500 guilders, about 3000DM.
Hughes And Kettner bassamps really rock, well at least the expensive ones do, the bassforce series is also okay (I also use a bassfore XL in the rehearsal space)

hm well, I have tried demeter, and it's even better than eden, it's really expensive shit though. I have heard an EBS combo once, someone was trying a bass it sounded good, but a bit to clear for my liking, you know, a lot of mid and high but not to much punch in the lower freqencies?
hard to explain for me but I think you get the point, ah I also saw those Glockenklang amps in the musicservice catalog, are they any good?

oh, and the bass I use Is really crappy. I use a cort, but not an expensive on or something, just P and J pickup config and a crappy overall sound, my combo makes up for it though. I was planning to buy a good bass for about a year haha but the money wasn't here.. I will buy a new bass within a month now. probably a Stingray or a Ibanez prestige SR series.
I tried all brands, ohyeah also the Yamaha BBN5 but the string response sucked and the B string was muddy as hell, also I didn't like the looks. I tried an SR3000 witch had great sustain and sound but was a bit expensive for an ibanez.
I tried an ESP b-205 with EMG's but without a neckthru, it was nice but the string where to close to each other. I tried a warwick and it sounded good but it looked weird. I tried a basscollection witch was rather great but was sold right after I tried it. and finally I tried a Musicman Stingray, which I kinda love, the sound is great, lots of punch and lots of low end, though they are heavy as shite and expensive. most people think they sound to "bright" but with a bit of Eq change they sound great. (even with one pickup, can you believe it.. )
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Old 2002-05-19, 11:03
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The Glockenklang-amps sound very clear. They try to make it that you donīt have to do much on the EQs. And that works. These guys did a good job, but it is fucking expensive. Perhaps because of the clear sound i will like the ebs-amps. Weīll see. And about the bottom-end-frequencies. Perhaps the guy didnīt put the EQ right, or he liked that sound. As my guitar- and bass-teacher. He likes a very clear sound, more than i do. At the high-notes it sounds more than a guitar. But you can still get an external EQ. Sadowsky builds one!!!
We go even at the amps vice versa. I think you like more the bootom sound of tube amps and i like the clear sound of transistors.
I tried last time a Status-bass, with these graphit-necks. But it sucked, it was very sterile. To sterile for my flavour, although you get the cheapest one for about 1000€.
For this Ibanez prestige or Stingray costs about 1500€. For that money you can buy a good Warwick Streamer or Infinity. But i think you wonīt like the Infinity. It sounds quite wooden (?). Itīs more a bass for jazz.
Luckily i have just the 4-string of the Yamaha BBN-series.

Try this Esh-bass. It kicks ass!!!!!
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Old 2002-05-19, 13:24
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Yep you're right, I like the warm-low-end on tube amps a lot, If you like bright sound, you shoud try those EBS amps.
in that musicstore koeln catalog I've seen those glockenklang stuff but it's pretty fucking expensive for a brand I've never heard of.
nobody here sells their stuff anyways.
I know, those status basses sound like they haven't got "feeling" in their body's, it's weird, uhm, how do you say it, tasteless sound, they sound sterile, yes..
Well, those warwicks do sound nice, the streamer has a nice low end, I didn't try the infinity yet but I think you're probably right, ohyeah the streamer I tried had musicman style pu's on it.. that figure's doesn't it, big low end = musicman...
a BBN4 is probably allright a deal, without the lousy B string it would be an okay bass, but okay is not enough for me anymore.

ESH basses, hm I never heard of those, tell me more please, are they in the musikstore catalog?
oh and did you ever try the SWR Mo'Bass? that's one heck of an amp!!!
the effects on that amp are really, really nice, but it's a shame that it's so expensive. well that redhead combo you where talking about is also expensive, for about the same price you could get a H&K bassbase 400.

hehe, man we've got quite a conversation going!
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Old 2002-05-20, 06:36
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I donīr know so much about these MM-PUs. Probably youīre right with that. But mostly the different brands put them near to the neck, so normally they have to sound brighter. Well, I donīt know!!!???

These ESH-Basses are in the catalogue from MusikProduktiv. Get the catalogue!!! It has about 1000 pages (150 pages for guitars and basses), costs you 5€, but you get it back if you order something. This is better for you i think, because you donīt have all the time to travel to Ibbenbüren. Try the URL i gave you some posts ago. There have to be some ESH-Basses or http://www.esh-basses.com/ there you will find definetly some ESH-Basses.

I never tried the MoīBass from SWR. Iīve read some reviews. It is a hell of an amp, for sure. But to many potis und effects for me. I need this true real sound. And itīs fucking expensive!!!

Have you heard something of Hartke? This brand with these Alu-speakers. I tried one (without these cabinets, just the head), because it did cost as much as the Trace Elliot. It had a quite good sound. Probably i should have buy this one instead of the Trace Elliot. DAMN!!!

About the H&K amps: probably i have the same problem with it, that the cabinet does not work that well with an amp as a combo. You know i had this problem with my Trace Elliot/SWR-amp. And i had a Peavey 5150 with an old Fender cabinet. It even sucked, but my Marshall-bass-combo works well. So, i donīt want to do the same mistake again. And this Red head combo is fucking loud and has space for a 19" rack-unit. or for that money i can get a EBS-combo or a Eden-combo.

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Old 2002-05-20, 08:48
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I looked at that webside, nice basses, they look pretty solid.

you said you needed true sound, so you probably want an amp without to much gadgets and stuff?
And you're not a tube-o-holic?
hm, I don't know, hartke amps have the bottomy sound I like, lots of low's. so I think you wouldn't like them to much, I tried a B90 or something, just a combo with 90w. not a really expensive model.
the eden combo's sound quite amazing, I must say, they are expensive but I think they are worth the money. also, there is a brother brand called Nemesis, they come from the Eden factory, these amps have the same speakers and stuff, they also sound awsome but they are not a lot cheaper than Eden's.
If you get a chance to try an Eden or Nemesis, go for it, I you like crystalclear high tones I think you'll love those.
Maybe combo's are the way to go, but you could also buy an SWR top for you SWR cab. I don't know, SWR does make nice amps, but I like the Eden sound better.
for the metalcore style's I'm into I need lots of lows so I like the H'&K's just fine, actually lots of metal bassist use them, Chicheng from deftones uses them and even fucking fieldy from korn uses them (oh I am ashamed hehe)
More people use Ampeg, but I don't like the new ampegs at all, the old one's are cool though!
I think you should try; Eden, Demeter, Nemesis or EBS amps.
all those have a crystalclear sound, at least the amps I've heard from these brands.

I know about the catalog but I won't buy anything without trying it and dealing with the people that sell it, I don't like post-ordering crap at all, they can easily screw you over. AND I wanna handpick my new bass

have phun trying amps!
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I have always tried the instrument i wanted to buy first. Thatīs why i travelled about 4 times to Ibbenbüren. I have to drive about 2 hrs. and 2 times to Cologne (about 1 hour). But this catalogue is really awesome. Bought it without ordering something.

I heard and read about Nemesis. I think i have played with one, too. But do not remember the sound.

Then i searched the web for these Demeter-amps. Found there Homepage, but i just found pre-amps for bass, but no real bass-amps and some cabinets. And i do not know where i can try them although i cannot afford them, i think.

And i think i wonīt buy an SWR-top for my cabinet. The cheapst one costs about 1150€. Well, thereīs this "Workman series" from SWR, but first i have to try.
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hm, well SWR tops look okay though I don't know how they sound in combination with your cab.
the demeter amps are really new, they are on sale at a specialist store here in the netherlands, they made the tube amp together with Koch, the dutch tube specialist.

nemesis is really okay stuff, but not really cheap.

If you're into high-end stuff, check out www.bassmatters.nl it's a nice dutch store with top o/t line basses. they had the prototype demeter amp on their site but it's gone, though the pre-amps are still on their site, wierd.

they have got all the stuff you'll ever need but like I said, top of the line, thus not cheap!!

how are the people in the stores in germany? kind? I'm going to ibbenburen next month.
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That "bassmatters"-store looks awesome. I think the Rob Allen bass would be something for me. Real woode-sound. You know, i pla ywith two guitar teachers in this jazz-combo and there you need a wooden sound. Well, for that price, i can even afford an uright. I think i have to go to that store one day.

Ohoh, the staff in Germany.
I think you have been to Germany before, havenīt you? So, then i think you know some staff: bored with life and the job. Often unkindly. And in the music-stores itīs this way, too. you have always to ask, nobody helps you, normally, without asking. Then you get not much information. Especially in the big stores like MusicStore and MusikProduktiv. Then thereīs the problem that we are young people. Well, sometimes i understand it, because many teens just play shit. So they help you less.
Once, i had luck with a staff-guy, yes, ONCE!!!
OK, twice, just because my guitar-teacher had connections to that store.
Maybe you have that luck, that i hadnīt my whole life.
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that bassmatters store is cool., yes yes.

here in holland we have nice people in the music stores, people love their work in most of the stores here. strange hehe.
but only musicicians work in the stores here, but also young people, mostly like about 20-30, kind and willing to tell everything about instruments and letting you try stuff out!
man you should visit our wonderfull country

uhm, I don't know about germany, haven't been in any musicstores there, YET.
how old are you anyways?
and yes, most teens do play shit (and they play shitty also!!!!)
but not all teens do, some are dedicated, fortunatly I can call myself an adult
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Iīm 21. Just look at my profile. So, iīm an adult, too. But when i was younger i had those problems, although i play guitar sincce iīm 7 and with fun and enthusiasm since iīm 14. So, i can play guitar a bit.
But i could do more.
The staff is often about 35 -> midlife crisis!!! Even with 20 you are for them a Teenie.

Iīve been about ten times to NL. Mostly for Heineken oud bruin/ donker beer and vla. OK, there was some weed. But only twice. and i have to say, you have nice staff. Even iīm from Germany.
The funny thing is, that i had from 11th to 13th grade netherlands at school. So, if iīm in NL, i try to speak NL. But most of them talk with me German, altough i try to. I will try it again and again and again!!! My fucking German dialect!!!
Now i have to travel to NL, because of the bass-stores.
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hehe cool!

yeah I know, oud bruin is nice!

hehe, ow, and you actually had dutch in school?
man that must have been a pain in the ass for you, it's a pretty difficult language.
it's cool that you try to speak dutch, but the dutch people always try to make it easier for you, they always talk the language you do out of respect, you know, every dutch person know a bit of german and most are fleunt in english.
it's strange actually,
ever been to France? those guys are fuckers they want you to talk french and if you talk english they act like they don't understand you (but they actually do understand english) they just want everybody to adapt. shame On Them!!

anyways, Bassmatters is located in Nijmegen, you remember, the nazi's tried to blow up that bridge but the dutch resistance disabled to fuses and that way the english could get over and stuff?
well, hehe I hope they don't have a grudge against germans there, LOL
nah, like I said, dutch people are really tolerant, and if you tell them you came allll the way from germany to visit their shop, they'll treat you like a king.

I know a lot of deutch, hehe, from a scale from 1 to 10 I had an 8 on my endlist which isn't bad at all, we learnt to speak, listen, write in german, the whole shit, but I actually don't remember a lot of it anymore hehe, it was like 2 year ago.

Hallo, ich bin Eddy, Ich gehe zum realschule, ich bin achtzehn jahre alt. Ich liebe hubsche madels und deutche bieren! mein hobby's sind gittarspieln, bier trinken und nah party's gehen..

haha or something like that, ohyeah, there is one word I can say in german, it's to hard, Schlittshulaufen (or something like that, it means iceskating)....
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Hey, your German is quite good, because German is a bitch to learn. All that grammar-shit!!!
Nijmegen, in German itīs Nimwegen and you speak it without this "ij-sound". I think itīs near to the German border, isnīt it. So itīs not that far. Thatīs cool. Most times i was in NL, iwas in Arnhem.
At school it wasnīt that hard. It was real fun, but i have this fucking German acent. Some other students, who are nearly every weekend to NL, can speak it fluently and the teachers as well. I like this language. It clears your throat.
My favourite words are "zenuwachtig". It took me about one week to speak it correct. īs Hertogenbosch (Den Bosch) and īs Gravenhaage (Den Haag), i canīt speak them yet correctly.
But youīre right NL is real tolerant, although i had some arguements, because iīm from Germany. When i travel into another country, i try to bahve like them. For me it is respect towards them. I hate the Germans, who come to NL and think :" Netherlands sounds like German and nearly all Netherlands can speak German. So i just speak German." If i couldnīt speak NL i would speak English and it shows the kindness of NL-people, that they speak then to me German. I even dislike people who call the Netherlands Holland. it just a county (?). Itīs like that you call all Germans Bajuvarians!!! You know, i hate Bajuvarians.
Iīve never benn to France. Well, i was one day for three hours there and travelled through it with a bus: Destination Lloret de Mar. But i heard of this behaviour.
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