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Old 2003-04-01, 03:46
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Question Musicology and Bands

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This is more for the more in depth musican, but do you people feel about the theory used in most black metal and death metal bands---> its really really poor, some songs dont have key signatures, but when they do there is accidentals all over the place, i believe for a band to be good, they must possess some knowledge of musical concepts- and not some guys who can play, but dont know shit about music, and having these songs that are so fast (oh wow) but being as atonal as a drum solo. Opinions please .............
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Old 2003-04-01, 04:41
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well it's death metal man, come on give em a brake, they might be able to play a lil bit but u dont expect them to compose a perfect peice of music as well do u

masters like vai and clapton can compose music, but the average guitar player want even know what there C major scale is bud, so dont expect so much from these so called musicians
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Old 2003-04-01, 06:03
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exactly my point
are they really musicians than ? if they dont know theory ?? and ppl have the hide to say black metal guitarist are better than vai and other virtuosoes of amazing skill
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Old 2003-04-01, 07:24
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I think it doesn't make sence to write the notation for a chromatic or halftone-fulltone composed song. Many songs are created like that. You've got just "#"s and "b"s.
And as long they have skill to play it, they don't need knowledge of musical concepts in my opinion.
Many guitarists teached themselve to play. So how should they now about the key-signatures? You can be virtous without the knowledge of noation.
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Old 2003-04-01, 08:56
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all that matters is if you can play.
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Old 2003-04-01, 15:09
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Re: Musicology and Bands

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This is more for the more in depth musican, but do you people feel about the theory used in most black metal and death metal bands---> its really really poor, some songs dont have key signatures, but when they do there is accidentals all over the place, i believe for a band to be good, they must possess some knowledge of musical concepts- and not some guys who can play, but dont know shit about music, and having these songs that are so fast (oh wow) but being as atonal as a drum solo. Opinions please .............


Hmm you can't make a statement without giving examples , meaning name some bands goddamit!

Try listening to Anorexia Nervosa , Furia , Ad Inferna , Agathodaimon , Melechesh and tell me if the songs dont have a key signature. Also listen to Anorexia Nervosa's cover of Rachmaninov's Prelude in D Minor... a.k.a Hail Tyranny
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Old 2003-04-01, 15:16
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i believe your dumb. The fact that you'll give up a real good band all because they didn't take the school marching band when they went to high school.
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Old 2003-04-01, 15:46
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If the guys can play, it doesn't matter if they can't tell you all about scales.

And some black metal guitarists can outplay most others, just try listen to the more symphonic bands. Ihsahn of Emperor is awesome.
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Old 2003-04-01, 20:18
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I scoff at the suggestion that i will exclude a band because they didnt make the school band, and DID i say that you had to notate to be a virtuoso, NO, i didnt- all im saying is these guys arent true musicians, they have to be able to UNDERSTAND what they are going, which most dont. i didnt SAY that they dont have key sig, i just said they dont take note of them and stick by them, hence the amount of accidentals in there songs,
Now for examples, mostly anything by COB or dimmu, changes key sig about 6 times during a song, genius ? or do they hvae no idea !!
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all im saying is these guys arent true musicians, they have to be able to UNDERSTAND what they are going, which most dont.


They make a living by making music, so what does that make them?

You sitting in your room learning scales makes you a musician, but a band that has sold many albums is composed of non-musicians? You are a moron.
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Old 2003-04-01, 21:18
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Who says black and death metal bands don't know theory?
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Old 2003-04-01, 21:47
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oh my god
gigantic penis, your a idiot, i didnt say that werent musicians u freak, i said they arent TRUE <--------- hence the word TRUE, TRUE TRUE, musicians, becuase they dont understnad what they are doing, they need to know the rules to be able to break them,christ read the message before saying crap like that!!!!!!
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Old 2003-04-01, 21:56
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Re: Musicology and Bands

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This is more for the more in depth musican, but do you people feel about the theory used in most black metal and death metal bands---> its really really poor, some songs dont have key signatures, but when they do there is accidentals all over the place, i believe for a band to be good, they must possess some knowledge of musical concepts- and not some guys who can play, but dont know shit about music, and having these songs that are so fast (oh wow) but being as atonal as a drum solo. Opinions please .............


First off you have to be able to spell musician. And just because they do not know music theory, chords, scales, ect. Dosen't mean they are not musicians. I know all the scales, chords, sweep patterns, circle of fiths, ect. and I am a musician. Mark Hopkis from Blink-182 dosen't, but he is still a musician. They may know shit, they may not, but if your into music just for technicality and knowledge, and thats all you look for and judge for then you are really missing out. Taken straight from the dictionary:

"Musician-
One who composes, conducts, or performs music, especially instrumental music."
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Old 2003-04-01, 22:03
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telling me how to spell the word, OH MY GOD, 'it doesnt matter that i cant spell, atleast im trying ' HA and read the post before going off, i didnt say that that didnt make them musicians, reading and understanding is also a skill u need to grasp
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Old 2003-04-01, 22:17
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ok, tell me which bands have better musicians:

a) dimmu borgir
or
b) a punk band who plays in the key of Amin with chords composing of A powerchord, B powerchord and then finally D powerchord.
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Old 2003-04-01, 23:11
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exactly my point
are they really musicians than ? if they dont know theory


Actually, you pretty much did right there dumb ass. Yes they are musicians. Look it up in the dictionary. And Weijia, Dimmu Borgir may be better guitarists, it all depends on what the listener prefers. Just because there better guitarists, dosen't make one band better than the other, its all about the listeners preference.
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i said muscians not guitarists in response to his original post. but maybe dimmu is a bad example.
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Old 2003-04-01, 23:13
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My input: Blink 182 stays in the same key for most of their songs. They must truly understand music theory and be TRUE TRUE TRUE TRUE musicians. Stravinski doesnt stay in a key for many of his. He's a fuckin' hack.

By the way, if you keep up insulting back and forth, this is getting closed. This is your warning especially, onceinalifetime.

So remember folks: Mark Hopkis > Igor Stravinski

Thank you for your time.

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Old 2003-04-01, 23:14
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Maybe all of these "untrue" musicians are just big fans of chromatic scales...
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