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Old 2006-05-22, 20:05
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The Official Tuning Help Thread

Ok. Enough bullshit. Here's the thread for people who:

-Can't Work A Tuner
-Need String Guage Suggestions
-Want to know a band's tuning
-Want to know tuning terminology (IE: standard vs. drop)
-Need to know what a "Step" is
-Need to know what Sharp (#) and Flat (b) are
-Need to know anything else about tunings.

Ok. First off, working a tuner:
1. Turn it on
2. Plug your guitar into it by taking a patch chord, putting it in the output jack of the guitar and plugging it into the input of the tuner
3. Pluck string that you want to change the tuning of
4. Look at tuner, it should read as whatever note your trying to reach, or something wrong.
5. Using the musical alphabet (ABCDEFG) tune higher or lower as nessasary
6. Make sure that the appropriate lights are on or that the peg is dead center off the tuner.

Next, strings. Here's what I suggest, FIGURE IT OUT YOURSELF YOU POOR, LAZY BASTARD. If you are truly too poor and lazy to go and do it yourself heres what many on this site say:

E standard: 9-42
D Standard/Drop D: 10-46
C: 11-49
B: 12-54
A: 13-56

Etc, etc, etc... Basiclly, go up one number on the high E, for ever step you take down.

Next, band tunings. Alright, theres too many bands to name so, refer to a tab on this site or Rivers of Gore.com.

Next on the list, Drop vs Standard. Standard tuning is as follows: EADGBE. You figure out what tuning is what by looking at the high and low E strings tunings. IE, if you want D standard, the high and low E strings, would half to be D notes. So, using your grade 2 education, count down the letters to figure out what notes go where.

Observe:
EADGBE
To B standard
BEADF#B

Remember that there is no such thing as Fb, E#, Cb or B#. Don't argure.

Now, Drop Tunings are when you can play a bar note on the low E string and the A and still get the sound of a power chord.

So this is standard:
|------|
|------|
|------|
|------|
|--4---|
|--2---|

Is this in Drop D

|------|
|------|
|------|
|------|
|--4---|
|--4---|

To be in a drop tuning, you must have your low E and D strings the same note.
So, drop D tuning looks like this:
DADGBE
Isntead of
EADGBE

And, if you want drop A, it would look like this:
AEADF#B
Instead of
BEADF#B

What is a step? A step is a whole tone, or for those of you who aren't trained in music, the distance between two frets. So one step down from B, would be A.

|------|
|------|
|------|
|------|
|------|
|-7--5-|
B A

A HALF step is the difference between ONE fret, or a semi-tone. So one half step down from E, would be Eb.

|--------|
|--------|
|--------|
|--------|
|--------|
|-12-11-|
E Eb

So, to tune one step down, would be D Standard. One half step down, would be Eb Standard.

Next is Sharps (#) and Flats (b). These, on a piano, are the black keys. This on guitar, is kind of confusing at first.

Ok, to make a flat note, you go down one fret, or one half step.

EX:
E > Eb
D > Db
C > B

You: Wait... the fuck? Why did you skip Cb?

Me: CAUSE IT DOESN'T EXIST YOU MUSICALLY IGNORANT FUCK!!!

Remember:
Quote:
... there is no such thing as Fb, E#, Cb or B#. Don't argure.


Now, in the musical alphabet, there are 11 notes all together:

A--A#/Bb--B--C--C#/Db--D--D#/Eb--E--F--F#/Gb--G

So, how do you know what is Flat and what is Sharp? Where you start of course!

If you start from E, and go down one half step, you get Eb. NOT D#. Why? Because you started on E and went DOWN. So if you start on D and go UP one half step, what do you get? D#! Very good!

And thats it! If you have any other questions about tunings and tuners, post it here. Have a shitty day, cunt.
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Old 2006-05-22, 20:55
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Why didn't I think of this? Tuning seems to be such a dilemma for a lot of people.
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Old 2006-05-22, 21:14
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Musical alphabet is CDEFGAB, isn't it? Not ABCDEFG.
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Old 2006-05-23, 08:30
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Musical alphabet is CDEFGAB, isn't it? Not ABCDEFG.


on a piano anyway, but your pretty much right
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Old 2006-05-23, 10:07
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Musical alphabet is CDEFGAB, isn't it? Not ABCDEFG.


thats the simplest form of a major scale, because there are no sharps or flats. *pat pat*
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Old 2006-05-23, 10:55
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Why didn't I think of this? Tuning seems to be such a dilemma for a lot of people.


Its all that "tune down to "D"-stuff" that is confusing to a lot of people. First time I read that on a tab I was like

Good topic, you should sticky it
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Old 2006-05-23, 18:04
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Musical alphabet is CDEFGAB, isn't it? Not ABCDEFG.

Well, on the Treble staff yes, thats the order of the notes, but the actually alphabet is ABCDEFG.
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Old 2006-05-23, 21:20
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the order of a-g doesnt matter
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Old 2006-05-24, 08:25
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The drop thing, you should make it clear that the two D strings are an octave apart and not the same.
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Old 2006-05-24, 14:38
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Ok. Enough bullshit. Here's the thread for people who:


E standard: 9-42
D Standard/Drop D: 10-46
C: 11-49
B: 12-54
A: 13-56



Ummmm.... i have ernie ball beefy slinky's which are 54-11 and tune at D standard..I always thought it was kindof difficult to play on the high 3 strings. Does ernie ball make 46-10's. Should i be OK with 54-12 on D standard? It always felt tight
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Old 2006-05-24, 17:31
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Have a try.

I use .10's for standard E and know that next time i am going for the .9's.

When i have tuned to D standard with .10's, they feel perfect imo.
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Old 2006-05-24, 18:06
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JOAMdude, those were just general guidelines and if you feel comfortable playing with those guages in D standard stay with it, or if you want to try something different go for it. 12-54 should be fine in D standard. I play 13-56 in standard tuning and at first it was almost impossible, but now after a few months its not too bad and I noticed a big speed and strength boost when playing my brothers guitar stringed with a set of 10-52.
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Old 2006-05-24, 18:33
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mk. i think i might go down a gauge tho cuz now i'll be faster cuz of my heavier strings
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... there is no such thing as Fb, E#, Cb or B#. Don't argure.


It might be worth mentioning if you ever come across one of these notes written on sheet music (for the select few here who will even look at sheet music), you play the note that the music implies. That is, for example if it is written Fb, you play E.

Basically, Fb is saying 'play me one semitone below F'. Because flats and sharps are semitones below and above the note.

So E is a semitone below F, and B is a semitone below C.


So after all my flabbergasting, it exists on sheet music, it is rather incorrect, but play the note a semitone above or below.

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Old 2006-05-26, 21:20
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It might be worth mentioning if you ever come across one of these notes written on sheet music (for the select few here who will even look at sheet music), you play the note that the music implies. That is, for example if it is written Fb, you play E.

Basically, Fb is saying 'play me one semitone below F'. Because flats and sharps are semitones below and above the note.

So E is a semitone below F, and B is a semitone below C.


So after all my flabbergasting, it exists on sheet music, it is rather incorrect, but play the note a semitone above or below.

Meh.

You are right, but, in the end, thats still just a complicated way to write out E, B, C, or F. There is still no Fb, E#, B# or Cb.
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Old 2006-05-26, 21:24
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Ummmm.... i have ernie ball beefy slinky's which are 54-11 and tune at D standard..I always thought it was kindof difficult to play on the high 3 strings. Does ernie ball make 46-10's. Should i be OK with 54-12 on D standard? It always felt tight

If it doesn't feel right, it isn't right. When YOU like it, it's right. Stop asking about that shit. Everyone. It's just a stupid question. That's like hating chocolate and asking someone if you should get it instead of ice cream cause it's better tasting. IT'S JUST STUPID!!! Figure out your own opinions.

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Old 2006-06-18, 18:41
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Ok so im stupid, but can someone explain this tuning to me, its from Cannibal Corpses hammer smashed face. D# G# C# F# A# D#. How do I tune my guitar like this?
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Old 2006-06-19, 20:13
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Ok so im stupid, but can someone explain this tuning to me, its from Cannibal Corpses hammer smashed face. D# G# C# F# A# D#. How do I tune my guitar like this?



This is just a half step down from standard e, a better way to write it is this

Eb Ab Db Gb Bb Eb

Also Slayer, Deicide, old Morbid Angel, and alot of the older death and thrash metal bands use this tuning

pretty much tune all strings down a half step from standard
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Ok Guys so I Have a Old Ovation Guitar lying here and i need a drop c tuning to be its standerd how do i need to do springs and all that fun stuff its not a fylod or anything just a shitty trem thanks for replies if i get any
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...damn....tuner is the easiest way to tune a guitar, how can people dont got it...you plug your jack in the input (tuner's hole) and you plug the other in your guitar and you press power.....
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