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Old 2003-03-03, 15:06
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Old 2003-03-03, 15:53
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hmmmm ....dude Judas Iscariot is one of the greatest American Black Metal bands so don't say shit if you know nothing.


Aghhhhhhh! You missed the ENTIRE point! Malphenstein, you need to understand before you reply. I am not making fun of the band Judas Iscariot! I am talking about the CoF fans. He made a thread bitching about CoF, etc. Re-read my post and try to get the point of what I'm trying to say. I was talking about how CoF has NOT sold out, I was making a point in reference to the JI post...........

Also, even is JI is so great, they are very, very unknown. I can take a rough estimate and say that over 95% (probably more like 99%) of Americans haven't even heard of JI.............

Moribund and Red Stream records can't exactly give large distribution of cds. Plus, I also know that it is a one man band, thus touring would be "difficult" (whether he hires a band to tour, I do not know, or care), to say the least.

Trust me, Malphopolis, I do make sure to know stuff before using a reference.
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Old 2003-03-03, 16:08
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Also, even is JI is so great, they are very, very unknown. I can take a rough estimate and say that over 95% (probably more like 99%) of Americans haven't even heard of JI.............


hmmm... maybe because 50% of the Americans listen Rap then 10%listen nu-metal shit then 35% listen pop shit ...then 5% listen real metal as Death - Black and some others.
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Old 2003-03-03, 16:20
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Ok, for all you people that say CoF sold out, you are fucking retards. Go ride the short bus..........no offense in all, but it is true.

1. Koch, Cacophonous, etc. will offer them less money, lower tour budgets, worse recording equipment, and less cd distribution. Sony offers the exact opposite. Tough choice on who to sign with.........

2. "Well, CoF used to be grind, extreme, technical black metal. Now, they are melodic, gothic, technical black metal. THOSE FUCKING SELL OUTS!!!!!"

people who say any of this genre changing crap are dumbasses.

3. CoF has one of the most retarded, degenerate, loser fanbases. They can't win. If they totally stagneted themselves and made 10 straight albums like "The Principle of Evil Made Flesh", their dumbass fans would still bitch about them NOT evolving.

However, since CoF is popular, all their little shit fans with their shitty BM bands will whine.

Do you remeber the guy that came here for a short while called Judas Iscariot? He made one thread bitching about CoF and Dimmu. Turns out, Judas Iscariot is a little unknown band. I'm sure he had his own little shitty BM band (it wouldn't surprise me if he was a member of JI). Just a loser pissed out cuz CoF rules and his band sucks.


1. WHo cares??
2. they were never extreme or grind, not even technical
3 wtf are you saying, its dumb

And dude, BLack Metal Isnt supposed to be popular or commercial. You suck

I also remember one guy, he was complaning at power metal, and non-keyboard music....do you remember him??
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Old 2003-03-03, 17:02
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Actually, Judas Iscariot is quite a popular band for people who actually listen to blackmetal.
Saying that a guy who is somehow conected to judas is jealous of COF is very fucking ridiculous!
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Old 2003-03-03, 17:15
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Saying that a guy who is somehow conected to judas is jealous of COF is very fucking ridiculous!


that guy wasn't connected to Judas Iscariot in any way.
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Old 2003-03-03, 17:19
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yes but you get what i mean
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Old 2003-03-03, 17:55
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I also remember one guy, he was complaning at power metal, and non-keyboard music....do you remember him??


That asshole wasn't complaing, its called a sense of humor and a sense of reality.

Malphas, you still don't seem to realize that I was not talking about JI as a topic, it was a REFERENCE. Once again, re-read my posts and try again. I don't care how popular JI is, or how much they rule.

"Black metal isn't supposed to be popular."
That comment should win an award for sheer stupidity.

If BM wasn't meant to be popular, why would they make cds? Making cds will create a fan base. Why bands in general (including BM bands) tour after a cd realeas? To promote it so it sells!

If you honestly believe that all "true" BM bands don't wanna sell lots of albums, then you are truly beyond me ever being able to convince you of anything.

Also, I will never meet any of you. Do you really think it matters to say stuff like "You suck"?
Do you actually think that when I here that, I am hurt?
Try coming back with an argumentative point instead of misspelled gibberish and lame insults.

One more thing, for my mention to the JI post, I didn't say he was connected.

"(it wouldn't surprise me if he was a member of JI)"

Do you see the parenthesis showing that it isn't connected to the main subject matter? When do I say that he WAS connected. The member on this site known as Judas Iscariot was just an EXAMPLE of a idiotic, CoF jealous, BM fan.

Malpharific, if you respond, try to get the point first of what I am saying...........
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Old 2003-03-03, 18:03
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i know that the judas iscariot was just a reference. And i am just saying that it is a stupid reference. I have that right :P

The fact that a fan of judas iscariot or a judas iscariot member says shit about COF, is very far from being jealous, because Judas Iscariot have already proved to be a great BM band. So, your example sucks.
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Old 2003-03-03, 18:14
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I could just start crying right now..............

Why is this so hard?

Ok, I'll break it down............

The metaltabs member known as Judas Iscariot came on and made a thread bitching, yes bitching, how Dimmu and CoF were sell outs, and that they sucked, they weren't "true", etc. He provided know real examples for selling out except that they were popular. He belives that all the members of Dimmu were multi-millionaires (9 golden Hummers, was it?).

He was an E-X-A-M-P-L-E of a little whiny BM fan who was pissed and CoF for being popular.

He wasn't the only dumbass to feel this way "Black metal isn't supposed to be popular"


Im not talking about Judas Iscariot's (the band) popularity or talent............
Do we understand now? My instinct says no............
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Old 2003-03-03, 18:20
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YES! i understand that you are not talking about the band!.... But i agree with that guy... and i don't see how that makes me jealous!

Besides, you said that the fact that he uses a nick of a band that is not known matters. Well... JI is a great BM band.... so.... what you said doesn't make any sense!
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Old 2003-03-03, 18:23
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damm it! i don't care about that fucking COD discussion.

ALL that i am saying is that Judas Iscariot is a band that already achieve something in the BM scene. So it doens't make sense to say: "He wich they were like COF!"
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Old 2003-03-03, 18:26
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Clearly, I have to number my questions so that you will understand...

1. Explain how CoF sold out. Dont say any stupid shit. You know what I am talking about.

2. JI the metaltabs person, was clearly a bitchy BM fan. Can you explain otherwise?

3. I don't give two shits about JI that band. I dont care about anything you have to say about them.

4. Black metal isn't supposed to be popular (Popular BM makes that band a sell-out, no matter what). Try and explain that one. Try and explain how you honestly believe that no BM bands wanna sell lots of albums.

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5. Explain how saying lame insults over a forum is supposed to have any effect on anyone.

Simple?
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Old 2003-03-03, 18:34
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I know you don't care about JI! ...but the fact that JI are what they are matters because you made an example out of them! you said something that isn't true! I just wanted to clarify that(judas is not a band that is still fighting for recognization)!


COF..... I like some of there first works. I don't care if Dani loves what he is doing right know... i don't like it.

So i guess i am not saying that they have sold out! ....But there sound is defenenatly more commercial.

I understand why the JI guy down't like COF.... maybe it's because he is a little bitch .....but it is not because he likes or he is in a band that is "small"


Understand my point?????
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Old 2003-03-03, 18:42
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Trust me, if the band, JI, wants to continue to have a growing career, then they are looking for more recognition and more fans. All bands that want more fans. Why wouldn't they?
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Old 2003-03-03, 20:10
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Trust me, if the band, JI, wants to continue to have a growing career


hmmmm ...well there's no more Judas Iscariot ... I don't know the word as it was only one dude so I can't say disbanded ... but hey same shit you get it.

but Akhenaten is in many more bands ... like Weltmacht and Sarcophagus
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Old 2003-03-03, 21:28
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black metal really isnt ment to be popular, i mean your not going to see black metal fetured in a ad, or a movie. its just about music, not about record sales. Come on most black metal bands limit their releases too (for some bands at most 1000 copies) there not in it to make a tripple platnum album for fucks sake. you make it seem alot of ppl LOVE black metal, but in the grand scheme of things its fan base is very low. that is why when bands like CoF and Dimmu start doing world tours every year and start making cds like a demon they are considered sellouts. although i consider CoF and Dimmu sellouts becasue they couldnt stick to what they were great with. they had to fuck around with their music. i do like some of the newer Dimmu, but its not as great as their older anti-christian songs.
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Old 2003-03-03, 21:38
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You can't blame them for being popular. Every genre is goiung to have a popular band that more people know of. I would almost bet that more people have heard of "Cradle of Filth" than they have heard of "Black Metal". I thnik that is a real accomplishment for them.

look, what do people (even those not big on the metal scene) when they think of:

If you consider a style change to mean a sell out, then like 80% or more metal bands have sold out. Is it that hard to believe that these bands actually like making this type of music?
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Old 2003-03-03, 21:43
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i dont think musicians should be chained to one style of music, but bands are. if you want to change styles change you god damn name. cuz i dont want to pick up a cd and find out its nothing like what im use to listening to from a said band. if they would just make a new band with the same ppl and play differently it would be alot better, and they would not be considered "sell outs"
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Old 2003-03-03, 22:22
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You can't expect a band to change names every time they wanna do something different. So Theatre of Tragedy should have had 3 different names?

A bands is more than just a genre of music........
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