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Old 2009-04-14, 20:53
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RTT #150: When a problem comes along,

YOU MUST WHIP IT!

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They are talking about clinical depression, not sadness. Clinical depression is a mental illness. Sadness is a mood that comes and goes with the appropriate stimuli. Clinical depression is a chemical imbalance that can't be controlled without strong medication. Clinical depression can cause the sadness you talk about, but it doesn't necessarily, and frequently the two won't be associated at all.

Clinical depression is more frustrating than saddening. What it usually does is kill a person's energy levels, leaves them disinterested in their main interests, robs them of their will to complete daily chores and activities, destroys their sex drive, causes bizarre and frequent mood swings, and causes detachment from friends, significant others, and family. It makes every daily activity you engage in and many of us frequently take for granted 100 times harder than they should be.

People who suffer from depression often go through prolonged "down" periods where they find it extremely difficult to get out bed, to maintain personal hygeine (brushing teeth, showering, combing hair, etc.), to eat or to stop eating, to engage in any physical activity, to work, to engage in any sexual activity, and even to maintain meaningful conversations with friends and loved ones. They often find it extremely hard to fall asleep and harder still to wake up!

Interestingly, those suffering from clinical depression are more likely than those who don't to suffer from anxiety disorders.
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Old 2009-04-14, 20:56
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BEFORE THE CREAM SITS OUT TOO LONG



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Chances are there have been Irish in every corner of the world, no matter how remote. Our semen is listed in the World Health Organisation's Big Book of Pestilential Materials.
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God, the Japanese are so weird. This HAS to be the long term effects of the atom bombs. No one is that weird on purpose.
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The slams in that song always kill me. First time I heard that song I was like "Too much heaviness - brain collapse" but now I could murder my family to that one
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Old 2009-04-14, 21:08
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Speaking of depression, I could actually shoot my self in the fucking face right now....
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I have a lot of depression in my circle of friends (multiple suicide attempts, lots of meds, therapists, psych wards, etc), and I can say that I've had a very "hands-on" experience with discovering a lot about the subject. It really brings you back into reality.

Oh btw, you know when people say that even when people joke about suicide that it's dangerous? And then one of your friends jokes about it and you just laugh it off? Don't... those "jokes" are basically a subconscious message coming out in a disguise.

However... they could just as well be joking!

That's why it sucks so much, so I suggest you all get drunk
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Old 2009-04-15, 01:15
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what I hate is people that say they are depressed but are just being bitches. You can't be sure though.
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You mean Emo?

I gotta get myself one of these! HELMET!
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Old 2009-04-15, 02:47
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lol paddy

& no not recently

last time i did it was about 4 or 5 years ago around 2am walking back to a mates house from the empire & there's a wee church stall there that gives out free tea & coffee i walked past then i heard "free tea or coffee" done a u-turn got coffee & started talking to them they got a cleryman to come out to "save me" i knew the "bible" better than him, i turned what he said around, 2 hours later we were still talking & he gave up! wuss!! lol he was exhausted & i could have talked & argued for another 2 hours!! before he left he said "i'll pray to jesus for your soul" i replied "my soul belongs to me not jesus not anyone else & certainly not a wanna-be-cleryman like you" grinned & my mate was dragging me away at this stage lol

the jesus army don't come near me anymore which is no fun! lol
Hahaha was the the "Power to Change" crew? They accosted me a few times, and were successful mainly because free coffee and a laugh is too good a thing to pass up

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They are talking about clinical depression, not sadness. Clinical depression is a mental illness. Sadness is a mood that comes and goes with the appropriate stimuli. Clinical depression is a chemical imbalance that can't be controlled without strong medication. Clinical depression can cause the sadness you talk about, but it doesn't necessarily, and frequently the two won't be associated at all.

Clinical depression is more frustrating than saddening. What it usually does is kill a person's energy levels, leaves them disinterested in their main interests, robs them of their will to complete daily chores and activities, destroys their sex drive, causes bizarre and frequent mood swings, and causes detachment from friends, significant others, and family. It makes every daily activity you engage in and many of us frequently take for granted 100 times harder than they should be.

People who suffer from depression often go through prolonged "down" periods where they find it extremely difficult to get out bed, to maintain personal hygeine (brushing teeth, showering, combing hair, etc.), to eat or to stop eating, to engage in any physical activity, to work, to engage in any sexual activity, and even to maintain meaningful conversations with friends and loved ones. They often find it extremely hard to fall asleep and harder still to wake up!

Interestingly, those suffering from clinical depression are more likely than those who don't to suffer from anxiety disorders.
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My recent completion of a 9-month marathon of dental treatment is testament to that! haha

It turned out that the primary trigger for my depression was social anxiety-related issues, which is unfortunate; they compliment each other quite well. Anxiety helps keep you a prisoner in your own home and makes every social interaction a source of self-loathing, providing fertile ground for the seeds of depression, which in turn strengthens the anxiety because the depressed state keeps you at home, too, which gives the anxiety plenty of time to develop further and reinforces the picture you have of yourself, and before you know it you've joined MetalTabs

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Guess what???

I finally made it to 1000 posts....it took me for fuckin' ever....you post whores have no lives!!!
Weeeeeeeeeeeee!

I know how you feel, it took me about 4 years to break the 100 post barrier!

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Old 2009-04-15, 03:09
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I gotta get myself one of these! HELMET!

Wow...

There are no words to describe the absurdity of something like that

Couldn't you just make a homemade one out of aluminum foil?
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Chances are there have been Irish in every corner of the world, no matter how remote. Our semen is listed in the World Health Organisation's Big Book of Pestilential Materials.
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God, the Japanese are so weird. This HAS to be the long term effects of the atom bombs. No one is that weird on purpose.
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The slams in that song always kill me. First time I heard that song I was like "Too much heaviness - brain collapse" but now I could murder my family to that one
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Old 2009-04-15, 03:37
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Wow...

There are no words to describe the absurdity of something like that

Couldn't you just make a homemade one out of aluminum foil?
Besides it's obvious absurdity, if we assume that aliens are real and that alien abductions do happen, what the fuck difference does it make if you're wearing a helmet which prevents them from reading/controlling your thoughts?? I abduct and perform anal-probing centred experiments on midgets, but I can't read their fuckin' minds, plus Rohypnol sprinkled over a jelly bean pretty much gives me free reign to do whatever the fuck my loins feel like.

There is a chance that it does work though, because if you were an alien wanting to experiment on another species of intelligent life, would you waste time, funding and energy on a dickhead who thinks that something he bought from a website which looks like it was designed by ShitWebs Ltd. is actually gonna help him fight a gang of intergalactic Josef Mengeles?

Then again, it tends to be hillbillies and crystal energy believers who get abducted the most, so who the fuck knows?
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Haha

(Assuming that life on other planets does exist) I've always wondered why they seem to be so interested in hillbillies and cattle, which are probably the two most unintelligent forms of life on this planet

Why would other intelligent beings from other planets or galaxies be preoccupied with people like this?
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Chances are there have been Irish in every corner of the world, no matter how remote. Our semen is listed in the World Health Organisation's Big Book of Pestilential Materials.
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God, the Japanese are so weird. This HAS to be the long term effects of the atom bombs. No one is that weird on purpose.
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The slams in that song always kill me. First time I heard that song I was like "Too much heaviness - brain collapse" but now I could murder my family to that one
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Old 2009-04-15, 06:03
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what I hate is people that say they are depressed but are just being bitches. You can't be sure though.


Oh fuck yeah, some people are just attention whores.

They need to cowboy the fuck up and have a beer, cheer up you sad bitches and enjoy life or get the fuck outta my face!
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Old 2009-04-15, 07:12
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Haha

(Assuming that life on other planets does exist) I've always wondered why they seem to be so interested in hillbillies and cattle, which are probably the two most unintelligent forms of life on this planet

Why would other intelligent beings from other planets or galaxies be preoccupied with people like this?
That's the cover of my latest book, "Paddy's Two Daddies".

Oprah has expressed an interest, strangely enough.
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Chances are there have been Irish in every corner of the world, no matter how remote. Our semen is listed in the World Health Organisation's Big Book of Pestilential Materials.
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God, the Japanese are so weird. This HAS to be the long term effects of the atom bombs. No one is that weird on purpose.
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The slams in that song always kill me. First time I heard that song I was like "Too much heaviness - brain collapse" but now I could murder my family to that one
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That's not depression! That's pms with a bit of menopause thrown in!
My neighbor was talking about having SAD and her doc putting her on a mild med because he was afraid she was suicidal. She said she was gradually coming off them since the light factor is increasing now. My advice to her? I told her she should have just smoked a joint and it would have been a lot cheaper and less hazardous to her health. She laughed. We can't be on the phone for 5 minutes without getting into a fit of laughter over something. We've been friends for about 47 years. She's a month older than me which I NEVER let her forget. And we email each other even though she lives right next door.

When you guys and girls were talking about your teen years and depression I saw cutting come up. Someone said they didn't know why they felt that way. I had some training for work in topics like that when I was working and had been around both real cutters and poser cutters like you talked about. As I skimmed through my notes from classes the main thing I found was an imbalance of chemicals purely due to growth in adolescence provided there were no other critical experiences in the person's past or pending such as abusive situations or death of a loved one. Stress a key factor. It seems to happen more in the early tee years when mental functions as well as biological ones are adjusting. By the time a person gets into the later teen years it mellows out. Some continue for clinical reasons, but most pass.
I know some of the kids I knew to be cutters were on both sides of the fence. Some were real and some were the biggest drama queens you could imagine. Feeling alone in their thoughts was big with the true cutters who were trying to bleed out their pain. The posers would cut for awhile and then move on to some other form for attention. We had one girl that changed her religion about every 2 weeks, off and on vegetarian, decided her rich grandmother was going to take her -- didn't happen.
Being around abused or neglected kids for almost 9 years was a real eye opener for me. Truthfully, I wish I'd known about the cutting thing sooner because one of my kids was one and I saw the marks, but accepted his explanations for them. Had I known I'd have approached it differently. I must say that he had a very strong bond with his friends and they no doubt were positive influences. I pried out of one some of the problem, but not that part of it. It did help me to help my son.
I also have a son that's bipolar so that's something I'm learning about more. That started in his early teens so that's an example of a biological imbalance. He's on meds and it's helping him. His son has some autistic tendencies.
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That's not depression! That's pms with a bit of menopause thrown in!
My neighbor was talking about having SAD and her doc putting her on a mild med because he was afraid she was suicidal. She said she was gradually coming off them since the light factor is increasing now. My advice to her? I told her she should have just smoked a joint and it would have been a lot cheaper and less hazardous to her health. She laughed. We can't be on the phone for 5 minutes without getting into a fit of laughter over something. We've been friends for about 47 years. She's a month older than me which I NEVER let her forget. And we email each other even though she lives right next door.

When you guys and girls were talking about your teen years and depression I saw cutting come up. Someone said they didn't know why they felt that way. I had some training for work in topics like that when I was working and had been around both real cutters and poser cutters like you talked about. As I skimmed through my notes from classes the main thing I found was an imbalance of chemicals purely due to growth in adolescence provided there were no other critical experiences in the person's past or pending such as abusive situations or death of a loved one. Stress a key factor. It seems to happen more in the early tee years when mental functions as well as biological ones are adjusting. By the time a person gets into the later teen years it mellows out. Some continue for clinical reasons, but most pass.
I know some of the kids I knew to be cutters were on both sides of the fence. Some were real and some were the biggest drama queens you could imagine. Feeling alone in their thoughts was big with the true cutters who were trying to bleed out their pain. The posers would cut for awhile and then move on to some other form for attention. We had one girl that changed her religion about every 2 weeks, off and on vegetarian, decided her rich grandmother was going to take her -- didn't happen.
Being around abused or neglected kids for almost 9 years was a real eye opener for me. Truthfully, I wish I'd known about the cutting thing sooner because one of my kids was one and I saw the marks, but accepted his explanations for them. Had I known I'd have approached it differently. I must say that he had a very strong bond with his friends and they no doubt were positive influences. I pried out of one some of the problem, but not that part of it. It did help me to help my son.
I also have a son that's bipolar so that's something I'm learning about more. That started in his early teens so that's an example of a biological imbalance. He's on meds and it's helping him. His son has some autistic tendencies.
Stress is a good word to use. Mental illness in general isn't an immediate reaction to something, it's a culmination of factors over many years (at least when it's not chemical), and stress/stressful memories is always central in one way or another.

One of the hardest things to deal with when you're diagnosed with something like clinical depression is the scepticism of important figures in your life, like a parent. It's not denial in the sense that they don't want to believe their child is in turmoil (maybe it is in a very, very round about way) it's almost like a resentment, like "you can't possibly have any reason to feel this way, so fuck ya". So you have the stigma of being mentally ill to deal with, as well as the stress of a parent thinking you're faking or attention seeking, and all of this on top of the illness itself.

I hear a lot of scepticism about anti-depressants, and a lot of it is justified, but you can't argue with the results when the doc nails it and finds the drug that works best for you. Especially so if the problem is chemical - no amount of talking is going to make the chemicals in your brain reset themselves to the correct quantities. But if it's not chemical, the drugs combined with therapy is usually an amazing combination compared to just therapy or just drugs.

I've been on anti-D's (which double-up as anti-anxiety medication) since 2001, with a hiatus of maybe 6 months along the way. One drug that I absolutely would never ever take ever again is Efexor. If anyone reading this is offered this drug by their doc, refuse.

I don't think the drug itself is terribly strong, but the withdrawal symptoms are unbearable and almost instantaneous. By that I mean, if you miss your usual medication time by even just a few hours, the effects begin. There are three main symptoms that hit you the hardest:

1. Brain Shivers. That's right, I said brain shivers. I didn't know what they were called until I looked it up years after I quit taking them, so I had trouble explaining it to the doc. Every now and again you get this sensation in your brain; it feels like a painless electric shock which shoots through your head and it rattles you up, leaving you slightly dazed and with blurred vision for a few seconds, as if you've been thumped on the back of the head really hard (again, it's painless, but the symptoms are the same). Weirdly, if you move your eyeballs to the left, as if you're trying to see something in your peripheral vision, you get an extremely BIG brain shiver which nearly knocks you off your feet. It doesn't happen if you move your eyes to the right. Fucking weird.

2. Dizziness and a general feeling of drunkenness (without the impairment of thought/speech). It's like when you spin around really fast for a minute or so, and then stop - you feel yourself being dragged by an unseen force towards the direction you were spinning. With these pills, you feel that way, but the direction you feel drawn towards changes every few seconds, like you're trying to stand stationary on a rocking boat. You feel a little dazed most of the time, but in combination with the brain shivers you're pretty much at the mercy of your symptoms haha.

3. Nausea. Plain and simple. No vomiting though, which was nice.

I tried coming off of these pills several times before I finally made it. Remember that the symptoms above begin if you miss taking your pills at the usual time, so imagine what it's like if you are told to go cold turkey. My dad had to keep ringing to doc to get reassurance that I was safe with these symptoms, and my dad was a nurse for most of his life, working in mental health! haha. The worst drug I've ever had. Plus I'm convinced that I felt better once I had stopped taking them, as if they were making me slightly more depressed (not because of the withdrawal symptoms, just in general).

Oh, and the main side effect of Efexor is that you will never have a proper erection again until you quit taking them, and even if you do somehow get it up and running for longer than 10 seconds, you'll pretty much never orgasm properly again - it's like when you try to sneeze and someone bumps into you, you just want to kill the fucker. Most of the time when I was knocking one out I finished out of sheer spite for my cock rather than to attain actual pleasure. Friction burns on your meat is a new kind of pain.

Frustration? You don't know the meaning of the word.

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So do you continue to have after effects from that drug? That sounds pretty bizarre. I'm glad you shared your experience with it. Did you talk to your dad or a clinician about what you were experiencing mentally? If you don't mind me asking or tell me to go to hell. I know you would.

From what my son has said just realizing that he had a problem was a big factor is learning to live with it and he really wants to help others learn to live with it, too. Some of his process is cognitive. I know certain stress triggers I have I've learned to rethink so it doesn't become a bigger problem if it is indeed a problem. Some social situations I balk at, but I'm not a total house hermit like I've been called. I'm just not a social butterfly. I never have been.

Sometimes a one to one conversation was hard to have with my kids, but for some reason going for a drive was a good initiator. And now, even though he's right upstairs on his computer, my eldest and I talk about his treatment and issues online. I've opened up a lot to them and they to me. We both learn.
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So do you continue to have after effects from that drug? That sounds pretty bizarre. I'm glad you shared your experience with it. Did you talk to your dad or a clinician about what you were experiencing mentally? If you don't mind me asking or tell me to go to hell. I know you would.

From what my son has said just realizing that he had a problem was a big factor is learning to live with it and he really wants to help others learn to live with it, too. Some of his process is cognitive. I know certain stress triggers I have I've learned to rethink so it doesn't become a bigger problem if it is indeed a problem. Some social situations I balk at, but I'm not a total house hermit like I've been called. I'm just not a social butterfly. I never have been.

Sometimes a one to one conversation was hard to have with my kids, but for some reason going for a drive was a good initiator. And now, even though he's right upstairs on his computer, my eldest and I talk about his treatment and issues online. I've opened up a lot to them and they to me. We both learn.
No no, thankfully the effects only lasted a few weeks, when I went cold turkey that is - they would hit me every few days when I was taking them regularly, mainly because it's difficult to make sure you're able to take them at roughly the same time every day (if you oversleep, for instance, you'll have missed your usual time slot haha).

As most people seem to agree, talking to your dad about this sort of thing is virtually impossible haha. I talked to my mum and my doc, and I did have about 5 months of CBT (cognitive behaviour therapy) which was directed primarily at the anxiety. It seems to have helped a fair bit - I can now make phone calls and walk into shops with relative ease My dad is a sufferer of depression, too, which would indicate to most people that it'd make things easier to talk about, but the opposite is true (at least when it comes to the father-son side of things). I don't think it's particular to my family, I think this is the case generally.

Accepting what's happening to you is a big part of dealing with it, and I don't mean that to sound like an episode of 90210 haha. For me, knowing my limitations is something that's helped a lot, as has learning to predict certain phases and plan around them accordingly. You can sort of sense when a wave of despair is on its way, and you can make things pass much more smoothly if you prepare for it. I'm not sure if anyone else does this, but I sometimes write notes to myself from within both moods. Like, Happy Paddy talking to Depressed Paddy, and vice versa (when the depression permits!). It can help you see the significant change in perspective, and sometimes it's glaring; it's very easy to forget the things you've learned about depression and how to cope with it when the depression itself is in full swing, so a little reminder can help out! Like "Alright Depressed-but-handsome Paddy, you're probably thinking [whatever] right now, but I'm here to tell you that it's bollocks, and here's why..." Sounds stupid, but it works for me haha.
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Old 2009-04-15, 14:24
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lol transient well this *is* the random-talk-about-what-you-want-sometimes- bullshit-sometimes-good-thread!!

& i dunno paddy i gots free coffee & managed to annoy a clergyman so it was all good!! lol

& my new battery for my netbook arrived today! charging as we speak am well chuffed!! the one that came with it was pants but hey i didn't buy it (the netbook) so can't complain lol

today at work i watched/recorded "watch" & a shit load of "razzledazzle"

razzledazzle was better than the other progs i was recording so sat and watched it all day lol
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