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Old 2007-03-20, 20:11
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oh i am soooo relieved!
my head dreams of gain like that!!
now i know that there is something that can be fixed in it
that or my cab is god AWFUL! does anyone know anything about it?
it's labeled BFI Bullfrog Systems

BTW send me your album man, i like your music
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Old 2007-03-20, 22:24
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soeru> i tried the xlr (marked as balanced) and the 1/4. they sound pretty similar. i only wish it sounded like this coming out of a real cab!

joam> mine sounds shitty through a cab as well. might be stereo vs mono issue like josh suggested. i'm going to try to find an original matching cab to try it on. try running your preamp out and see if thats got enough gain. it's the suffo 'pierced' intro btw.
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Old 2007-03-20, 22:58
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Yeah don't be fooled, the old blue ones are just as brutal as a later SS. I think they were all the same up until the VH series intro, that was when the changes were made. I actually like the sparkly grillecloth on them. Although it looks more like something the Strokes would play through than a death metal amp lol. By the way...Assuck used to use SS-140c 's, so thats another band to check out if you want an idea of the tone..altho a lot of their recordings are shitty quality.
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Old 2007-03-20, 23:00
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oh i am soooo relieved!
my head dreams of gain like that!!
now i know that there is something that can be fixed in it
that or my cab is god AWFUL! does anyone know anything about it?
it's labeled BFI Bullfrog Systems


your cab is a piece of shit isnt it? i thought we already established this... blame it on that dude

honestly, new speakers can make a world of difference.
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Old 2007-03-20, 23:12
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yeah ill sell it to a noob, however it is fukkin loud. but yah it blows.
im takin my head to a techie tommorrow to see if everythings OK
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Old 2007-03-21, 20:42
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I took my amp to a guitar center and the guys there knew absolutely nothing

I said "hey i got one of these old SS-140C's and im pretty sure theres something wrong with it. either that or i have really worn out cab.
he takes me to a mesa cab. and i play and as usual, hair metal tone

and you can quote me on this "everything sounds fine, its sounding how it should, blah dee fukkin dah, i get reamed by john adams zombie corpse flying at my asshole on a bicycle made out of ham sandwiches"
so he was an idiot.
he couldn't help me at all, so im takin it to a local music repair store where i should have gone in the first place
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Old 2007-03-21, 22:00
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make a list of problems it could have:

Input jacks
Output jacks
Pots
buttons/switches


Honestly, if you just get them to replace all of those, you should technically be in happytown.
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Old 2007-03-21, 22:05
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i dunno i think it is more major than that. the guy said that when you have dirty pots you hear a crackling sound. i just want it to sound like it should. with those what could be some signs of badness, like for the input for instance how would i know if it was shot to hell?
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Old 2007-04-04, 13:00
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so mine sounds like shit through a mono cab and so does joam's. is it imperative to have a stereo cab for these to work properly?

can someone also explain what the 'ext' / 'int' labels refer to on the speaker out jacks. thx
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Old 2007-04-05, 05:57
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One is wet and one is dry, for the effects on the amp. Mine sounded better with a stereo cab, a lot clearer and less muddy, but the main problem I had before I got a stereo cab was the chorus made noise and sounded horrible. It always had more than enough distortion...there has to be something wrong with yours. I wish I was more electronically adept to help more, but I assure you these are not normally shitty sounding amps.
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Old 2007-04-09, 11:06
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i called the gyu who would repair it and he told me hat noting was wrong with it when he tore it apart
he said that also the EQ was before the distortion and that the Dist. wasn't shaped by the EQ's but that the EQ's just chose where the DIst. went

AAAAARRRGHHHH! He said it was in perfect condition.
ill try to play it really loud today and see if it is good at loud volumes
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Old 2007-04-10, 15:17
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i called the gyu who would repair it and he told me hat noting was wrong with it when he tore it apart
he said that also the EQ was before the distortion and that the Dist. wasn't shaped by the EQ's but that the EQ's just chose where the DIst. went

AAAAARRRGHHHH! He said it was in perfect condition.
ill try to play it really loud today and see if it is good at loud volumes


Stab him in the throat, he's lying.

I'm sitting here with the schematics for the VH-140C... It's not the SS but listen.

Signal path is like this:
First comes a small gain stage for channel A/B shared, then (for channel A, which is high-gain) two stages of gain, and then comes the gain pot. After that there's an active EQ, first comes mid, then treble, then bass, and after that is the channel vol. control, and the signal is being passed from there to the FX loop.

Block diagram of signal:

Input->Shared gain stage->Two gain stages specific to channel A->Mid active EQ band->High active EQ band->Low active EQ band->Vol control->FX Loop.

To tell you the truth, these amps are constructed very, very similarly. The VH adds "variable harmonics" to the SS series, nothing more. Feels a little less tight, more responsive, a little "saggy".. A little more like a tube amp, that is. Differences are mostly in the power section. Tone is by all means nearly the same, I've A/B tested them.

E-mail Bob.Joyce@loudtechinc.com and tell him about your problem and tell him you need a schematic, he'll get back to you in a matter of hours. He doesn't say much but does what he's asked. Then try finding someone who's not bullshitting you to fix the amp, any local electronics repair shop will do (music stores are mostly owned / ran by complete morons and/or frauds).
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Old 2007-04-11, 05:11
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jopop, my A channel sounds good from the preamp out, but when run through a cab it sounds like shit. the B channel is fine both ways. where would the problem most likely be? should i take it in / would i need that schematic? thx
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Old 2007-04-11, 05:25
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Sounds like shit through a cab? The poweramp is failing most likely.
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Old 2007-04-11, 06:13
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but the clean channel is fine. and there are 2 separate poweramps.
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Old 2007-04-11, 06:56
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Your amp is just fucked man, however and wherever it may be. A fully working Ampeg SS-140 or VH-140 should yield month long erections.
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Old 2007-04-11, 08:10
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Old 2007-04-11, 09:13
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thanks jopop i emailed the guy
does he mail back promptly? last time i mailed loudtechnic some guy mailed back a week later saying that it was meant to be a preamp and i should buy a poweramp or some bullshit

BTW the guy i took it to was a local repairmen and appeared to be VERY competent

I wonder if the guy who sold it to me messed with it?
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Old 2007-04-11, 12:10
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Hm he replied to me in an hour.
Seriously.. you say it doesn't have enough gain still.. there are generally only one part that may wear out in a preamp: polarized capacitors. Other things may blow due to overheating (opamps, transistors, resistors) or overvoltage (non-polarized capacitors) but that is very unlikely.. plus the effect would be more dramatic in most cases..

Anyway. Symptoms of one or more worn electrolytic (polarized) capacitors:
#1 Lack of gain
#2 Lack of bass/low mids
#3 Very thin tone.

If you have those symptoms (all of them) it might be the issue.. but if you had a respectable repairman look at it I'm sure he would've seen it..

And about your poweramp (on VH-140C) only sounding good on one channel: What's bad? Does the preamp still sound fine on both channels? Thanks!

Edit: Okay the preamp sounds fine.. sorry.

I have the schematic(s) but they're too large to post here.. (>2MB). I'll email them to whoever though.
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Old 2007-04-11, 12:24
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They're both SS's btw.
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