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Old 2007-02-22, 23:21
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Old 2007-02-23, 04:01
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I'm not trying to argue with anyone. I don't know wtf this EMG's and "they sound the same in anything" bullshit is. Sure they're built differently from passives, but how the fuck do they sound the same in any guitar? I've tried an Eclipse, LP, Ibanez, King V, and other guitars loaded with EMG's and they all sounded different.

I've ran 3 EMG-loaded guitars into the same amp with the same setting and the all sounded the same, that's the way EMG's roll. Granted it was a solid state amp, but it is still possible to make an audible difference. If the sound was different, you either had vastly different pickup heights, string gauge(and life), different tone/vol settings, weren't paying attention, etc. EMG's making all guitars sound virtually the same is a world-renown fact.

It won't make a squier sound like a Ran as the squier has virtually no sustain, but take any 200-300$ guitar and slap EMG's in it and you won't tell any difference in sound from a 1 grand guitar.
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Old 2007-02-23, 10:21
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Old 2007-02-23, 12:24
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I have EMGs in my Mahogany bodied custom (it does have a maple cap, but not a particularly thick one, it's for looks) and guess what, I like it.

Makes me happy and people can suck my dong if they don't like it.

But as for the original post, I think some toned down jazy passives would sound better in the Hamer.
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Old 2007-02-23, 13:32
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The fact that the strings interact with a bridge which then interacts with the body means that any pickup will represent those tonal/ sustain differences (well, depending on quality). It is the Strings after all that make the noise not the pickups. AFAIK EMG's are basically just 'boosted' right? Therefore it would make little difference, the same string noise goes into the pickup......
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Old 2007-02-23, 15:29
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I've ran 3 EMG-loaded guitars into the same amp with the same setting and the all sounded the same, that's the way EMG's roll. Granted it was a solid state amp, but it is still possible to make an audible difference. If the sound was different, you either had vastly different pickup heights, string gauge(and life), different tone/vol settings, weren't paying attention, etc. EMG's making all guitars sound virtually the same is a world-renown fact.

It won't make a squier sound like a Ran as the squier has virtually no sustain, but take any 200-300$ guitar and slap EMG's in it and you won't tell any difference in sound from a 1 grand guitar.

No fucking shit it'd sound different with diff. pu heights, bridge, etc. Then I can say the same fucking thing for any other pickups, you put 'em in the same guitars w/ the same setups and amps and they'd all sound the same.
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EMG's do come with their own tone, as any pickup does. The issue is that EMG's do not interact with the wood the way passive pickups do. Of course anything that affects sustain will affect tone, but for the most part EMG equipped guitars will have what I believe xdislexicx calls it "the guitar that has EMG's in it" sound.

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THat guitar doesnt look semi-hollow,


Ummm, it has a giant F-hole and I can see inside the body.
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Old 2007-02-24, 03:14
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LOL, guitars with big gaping f-holes in them usually mean it's at least partially hollowed out.
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I'm not trying to argue with anyone. I don't know wtf this EMG's and "they sound the same in anything" bullshit is. Sure they're built differently from passives, but how the fuck do they sound the same in any guitar? I've tried an Eclipse, LP, Ibanez, King V, and other guitars loaded with EMG's and they all sounded different.


I know thats right. Why the hell does everyone think active pickups sound the same? Some guitars might play the same but they still have a major sound difference even if they have the same PUs.
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I know thats right. Why the hell does everyone think active pickups sound the same? Some guitars might play the same but they still have a major sound difference even if they have the same PUs.

The difference from passive to passive or active to passive guitars is enormous, but guitars with all actives? Differences are virtually non existent.
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The difference from passive to passive or active to passive guitars is enormous, but guitars with all actives? Differences are virtually non existent.


I disagree. I have noticed great differences.
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I disagree. I have noticed great differences.

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Old 2007-02-24, 14:01
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EMGs will show differences in different guitars, but not at all to the degree a passive would.
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lol good point ... Tamworth

back on topic ... the reason why EMG equiped guitars sound simmilar to oneanother is because of the active circuit which does change the tone a fuck load.

I was trying to convince the other guitarist in my band not to spend a bit more on his new guitar instead of buying a cheapish one and putting a EMG in the bridge. My main argument is that the wood would sound pretty shit, but then it wouldn't sound overly bad because of the EMG colouring the narutal tone of the guitar a shit load ... turns out some people like the sound of a shit guitar with a EMG in it.

That said I do like the sound of actives in mahogany guitars ... thick with an edge, if you know what I'm on about
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Old 2007-02-26, 09:32
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Even if you're gonna use EMG's it's still a good idea to spend more on a guitar to just get overall good build quality and most importantly: FRETWORK. So long as it plays great and isn't falling apart due to poor build quality, even a low end basswood guitar is fine if you're slapping actives in it. But spending a shitload on a super nice all mahogany neckthru guitar with ebony fretboard just to slap actives in it is.... well, stupid, unless you like the sound of actives enough to warrant doing that.
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Old 2007-02-26, 10:21
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Even if you're gonna use EMG's it's still a good idea to spend more on a guitar to just get overall good build quality and most importantly: FRETWORK. So long as it plays great and isn't falling apart due to poor build quality, even a low end basswood guitar is fine if you're slapping actives in it. But spending a shitload on a super nice all mahogany neckthru guitar with ebony fretboard just to slap actives in it is.... well, stupid, unless you like the sound of actives enough to warrant doing that.


yeah very true, and the fact is EMGs are cheaper than some of the high end passives [Bare Knuckle Pickups etc] so it's easier and cheaper to get a agressive sound by dropping in EMGs. + sound and looks are more important to some people, as sad as that is.
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