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Old 2007-01-22, 18:42
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cool, those are all pretty nice looking snakes. rescued them from where? people wanting to get rid of pets? i've seen on kingsnake.com they have some animals for adoption, but i imagine nothing too crazy gets put in that section..and anything good gets snatched up real quick.


Rescued as in- stupid fuck buys snake because he thinks it's cool; stupid fuck doesn't know how to properly care for said snake; said snake languishes in captivity under poor diet, improper heating, unclean conditions, parasites, etc.; when the snake is near death, stupid fuck brings snake back to wherever he bought it; pet store contacts rescue worker. I gained a lot of experience under a sort of informal apprenticeship under a rescue worker. I worked both with the rescue animals (all sorts of reptiles and amphibians, no invertebrates) and her personal pets as well. I inherited two of her snakes that she didn't have any room for.

The one I've had the longest was relatively heatlhy, but she hadn't eaten in at least 8 months beforehand (that's just in the 8 months this lady had the snake, who knows how long it hadn't eaten before it was brought in). I got her to eat just fine, she's still my pickiest feeder, but she's at a healthy weight. The other was an intermediate case. She was underweight, dehydrated, and had several layers of retained shed. She is my best feeder, and, in fact, when the other snakes won't eat, sometimes I will toss rats in the middle of rigor mortis in with her.

The last one, the male, wasn't in very good condition when I got him in from someone who found it abandoned in a tank in an apartment building basement. He was dehydrated, had layers of retained shed, rat bites all along his spine and back, and his belly had been burned so extensively that he was missing many scales and oozing some sort of fluid in many areas. I remember his cloaca, around where the damage appeared the most extensive, just gaping open with the hemipenes falling out a couple of times. I assumed he would never be able to mate. Then he knocked up my ladies and I'm now buying two of his kids dinner every week. He himself fed well from day one.

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so far, the only trouble with them feeding i've had is with my king snake. it will eat fine, but its very reclusive and will always wait till its dark and nobody is around for some time, or after i turn out the lights and go to bed...wake up and the food is gone. other than that, we caught a baby black racer (don't know the scientific name) in our front yard. we kept him for a little bit..a fiesty little one for sure! but he wouldn't eat anything, we tried pinkies, brained-pinkies, and crickets...nothing. so we let it go rather than keeping it and potentially starve him. that snake hated us all though, just coming near its tank, it would get very alert and ready to strike, and would strike too heh. maybe it didn't hate me though, i never got bit once, my roommate did though..of course i didn't hold him as much as she did.


Racers are generally Coluber constrictor, and all forms of that species, including the Coluber c. constrictor that is relatively common around where I live, are irrascible beasts that abhor human interaction. They never quite tame down, and you are very lucky if you get one to feed on a consistent basis. Due to their level of activity, they require much larger caging than other large snakes. I had some minor success by keeping a 48in. long adult in an enclosure where he couldn't see people walking by and in an area where vibrations from foot traffic was minimal. Routine maitenance still caused him to flip out, and cleaning was a pain in the ass. I've kept other species of hostile snakes, most notably Nerodia sipedon, and they were much easier to manage than Coluber.
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Old 2007-01-22, 19:37
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i used to have two identical snakes. small though. my step dad told me to feed them pieces of fish. so i did for a long time. it was so freakin fun feeding them shreds of fish at the end of a stick. haha! they would sort of stand up with their mouths open, waiting for me to put it close to their face. reminded me of how birds do that. eventually, one of them died, and i let the other go near a lake. funny little things.
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Old 2007-01-24, 23:49
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thats cool you got the snake from those arseholes then chris. i hate seeing animals kept in crappy conditions at pet stores..let alone in someones home.

time, you ever think of getting another snake? they are funny little bastards.

i just fed my snakes tonight..and for the first time i was able to see the king snake eat without waiting for me to turn out the lights and leave or go to sleep.

king snake choking out a fuzzy mouse
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...s/IMG_8196s.jpg

exiting the cup i put the mouse in
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...s/IMG_8199s.jpg

corn snake feeding
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...s/IMG_8197s.jpg

got a couple pics of one of my jumpers today. she had been hiding since i got her with her egg sac. i guess she wandered out to get something to eat or some water, so i tossed in a small cricket for her.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_8194s.jpg

kinda blurry shot of her
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...MG_8192crop.jpg

and last but not least..the P. pederseni
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...s/IMG_8209s.jpg

they had another species of Poecilotheria..but it was sold out before i knew it, and they only had the common name listed after it was gone, so i don't know what species it was. they had some others..but i either had them or didn't feel like waiting YEARS for them to grow. they had another that was tempting..a possible female Pterinochilus murinus, but i am getting a few in the mail this weekend they are a fiesty african tarantula that hates everything and shows it! some pet stores will sell them in the tank they are in just so they don't have to capture them and put them in a small plastic container they sell the rest in heh.
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Old 2007-01-25, 06:04
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haha, aggresive spiders galore!

about the jumpers, how long does it take for the sack to hatch? and how does the spider behave during 'pregnancy', more protecting?

my regalis has been in her shelter for the entire week, not sure if she came out at night but i cant be sure. i put a grasshopper in the tank last evening but pockey didn't go out and hunt. curious how long it will take.

and here's a pic of my vagans sitting in a cool pose

http://www.menno.satanist.nl/spin/vagans/pose.jpg
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Old 2007-01-25, 09:50
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haha, aggresive spiders galore!

about the jumpers, how long does it take for the sack to hatch? and how does the spider behave during 'pregnancy', more protecting?

my regalis has been in her shelter for the entire week, not sure if she came out at night but i cant be sure. i put a grasshopper in the tank last evening but pockey didn't go out and hunt. curious how long it will take.

and here's a pic of my vagans sitting in a cool pose

http://www.menno.satanist.nl/spin/vagans/pose.jpg



i'm not completely sure..i had asked someone that has bred them, but so far no reply. i figure a few weeks to a little over a month. so far i haven't really noticed any defensive behavior, i haven't tried testing them though..just letting them do their thing. its the first time i had seen that one sing i got them rehoused a couple weeks ago. her abdomen was small (mostly from laying the eggs, but party cause she hadn't eaten) so she came out for some food i figured. i know tarantulas can get pretty defensive about their egg sacs..some of them can be down right nasty about it too.

she probably came out of there at some point at night...some are more reclusive than others. one good way to tell is by looking at the water dish. fill it up and put it down so no substrate is in it. usually you'll see some in it the next day or a day or two later which means she was there...unless the grasshopper was still in there. how often and what do you feed her? its fun to watch them feed, no doubt..but unlike fish or dogs and cats, they really don't need to eat that often. adults in my house get fed one or two adult crickets a week..and depending on the situation, even a little longer.

when i went to italy last year, i fed them all, topped off the water dishes, and left for 13 or 14 days. i did lose one or two, but they were tiny little ones. the rest, even slightly larger were fine. adults can go without food for much longer than that. some species..particularly G. rosea can go for months without food, and not even before a molt, which can be pretty stressful for people...but the spider will be fine. so just be patient..she'll come out of there. thats one thing tarantulas teach us..patience.

cool pic of the vagans. you ever try looking at its molt to tell if it was a female or not?
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Old 2007-01-25, 10:16
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nah it was pretty small and broken, i'll wait till the next one.

and the regalis just snatched the grasshopper. just when i wasnt looking for a second, haha. Anyway, i feed her 2 big grasshopper (2 inches long) a week and the vagans gets 3 small crickets. i was wondering if i should get those vitaminpowders for extra nutrients though.
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Old 2007-01-25, 11:13
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nah it was pretty small and broken, i'll wait till the next one.

and the regalis just snatched the grasshopper. just when i wasnt looking for a second, haha. Anyway, i feed her 2 big grasshopper (2 inches long) a week and the vagans gets 3 small crickets. i was wondering if i should get those vitaminpowders for extra nutrients though.



ahh that sucks..i hate when that happens. oh well, it will be that much easier with a larger exuvium.

no..they won't do any good..the best way to give the spider extra nutrients is to gut-load the feeders. spiders don't eat the exoskeleton of the feeders, so all the powder on the outside would likely be shaken off or just remain in that ball of remains. i guess some MIGHT be taken in..but there are a bunch of fine hairs surrounding the mouth that could filter the powder out.

you can feed the prey items anything really. i buy these orange cube things for crickets from a company called flukers. not cheap as other alternatives..but the jar lasts a while. some people just feed the crickets/roaches/etc. fruit..they love it, and it will provide the spider with all the nutrients once it eats the cricket.

i'm not exactly sure how much is known in regards to what nutrients in particular benefit spiders though..so maybe even a varied diety of fruit and vegetables would be best?

anyone know anything that contributes to cuticle growth?? maybe thats a good question for the science thread.

having said all that..there are many who just feed their crickets crushed dog food(very cheap! and has plenty of nutrients) and some that don't feed their crickets anything..just right to the spiders. their spiders do just fine with that..but i would think gut-loading them with good food certainly can't hurt.
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Old 2007-01-25, 13:07
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yep, i think i'll change the letuce with some fruit then
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Old 2007-01-25, 15:09
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Hey! Just noticed this thread. I've been collecting invertebrates since about the age of five when I got my first spider. I grew up in a house with maybe thirty snakes or so, so never really developed an interest in them. At one point I must have had a total of almost a thousand spiders, centipedes and scorpions, with a few other bugs like mantids dotted around. This figure is accurate, and does include various life cycles etc, and when you take into account I'd get maybe 100 baby spiders per eggsac it shouldn't seem like a bullshit statement. I've kept allsorts over the last 15 years, so is good to see other people with similar interests etc
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Old 2007-01-25, 16:35
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Old 2007-01-25, 16:44
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yes, pictures and info por favor. thats a lot of inverts! what kind of spiders?

i've only been into keeping inverts..mainly tarantulas, for a year and a half now..two years this summer. fairly recently got into breeding attempts..so far nothing much, but its just the beginning.

100 an egg sac? not too bad..there are some tarantulas that have over a thousand! needless to say..that deters a lot of people from breeding those species. luckily some are still brave enough to do it.
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Old 2007-01-25, 18:22
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I once had a website etc with it all on. Yeah over the last ten years I've mainly kept Theraphosids ('tarantulas') and have bred quite a few species. Yeah, I got 40 spiderlings from a Haplopelma lividum sack about 6 years ago, but later on got around the 200 mark from the Grammastola rosea. It'd take me ages to list the species etc I've had, but I do have loads of pictures I can share etc.

Here's a few off the top of my head I can remember having. Apologies for the scientific naming if it means fuck all to you ha
-Acanthoscurria (geniculata, juruenicola, chacoana)
-Aphonopelma (seemani
-Avicularia (metallica, avicularia, versicolor, purpurea, geroldi)
-Brachypelma (vagans, boehmei, emilia, albopilosum
-Ceratogyrus (bechaunicus, meridionalis
-Citharischius crawshayi
-Chromatopelma cyaneopubescens
-Davus pentaloris
-Ephebopus (murinus, cyagnathus)
-Haplopelma (lividum, schmidti, aureopilosum)
-Hysterocrates gigas
-Lasiodorides polycuspalatus
-Megaphobema (velvetosoma, robustum)
-Nhandu coloratovillosum
-Poecilotheria (regalis, rufiliata, pederseni, formosa, ornata
-Pterinochilus (murinus, lugardi)
-Psalmopoeus (irminia, cambridgei)
-Theraphosa blondi

And a long list of other 'exotic animals', if I made a list it'd probably just come out as if it's bullshit, but keep in mind why would I brag about something nerdy like pets on a metal guitar forum.

But yeah... Even that list seems under half of the size of the ones I can remember typing up back in my nerdy days. Still have a load of pictures but none are really online. Did used to have one called 'the hatchery' but it's no longer alive due to registration fees etc and no time

My interest diminished a bit last year as I left for uni though and retained only about 20 spiders, of which most I progressively sold. I now have a measly 6 spiders with me at uni now... Weak I'm back in the hobby of it all etc, just dorment for the time being, hah.

But yeah... As far as spiders and bugs go I've had them all my life. Spiders are the reason I'm at uni doing a chemistry degree etc. I've a fair bit of experience/access to knowledge etc, so if you have any questions or need help with stuff I can probably help
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Old 2007-01-25, 18:46
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cool man..those are some kick ass spiders. haven't even heard of a few of the species you listed. which 6 did you wind up keeping?

hah i'm just getting even more nerdy with my hobby. used to read about the shit all day for a while when i was first starting, now i'm just reading more in depth things. i've even gone out hunting for tarantulas, other spiders, scorpions and centipedes. no luck on the tarantulas or centipedes though. there aren't any naturally occurring species here in florida, but there was a population of B. vagans in central florida in some citrus groves.

supposedly a pet dealer or something released some there and i guess there were some gravid females or they just wound up mating out there. the state govt had some people go out and check it out and collect some specimens, then they sent in a crew to kill them all off. (this state has a problem with non native species establishing themselves) i didn't find any, but i was there during the day..want to try again at night. there are still rumors though that they have spread further west, but i got the location from a biologist that was involved in the original team that collected some and had them identified.

haha hows that for nerdy?
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Old 2007-01-27, 21:06
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haha damn thats pretty crazy. poor mozart.


got my box o' spiders from a member of this forum that is mainly about spiders. i like buying from other users because the prices are usually pretty good. i ordered a ~2.5" female Brachypelma albopilosum initially..but since it was cold, i used overnight shipping with a heat pack..so i asked if he had other spiders for sale to kind of spread out the shipping bill. i wound up getting a 2" Theraphosa blondi, and 3 small Pterinochilus murinus. i ordered two of the P. murinus, but he just threw in an extra for free since he has about 100 or so of them left from a successful breeding.

the whole crew in their new homes
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...s/IMG_8227s.jpg

one of the P. murinus..these guys are gonna be pretty feisty when they get older, and will be a nice golden/orange color.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...s/IMG_8222s.jpg

B. albopilosum female. she was pretty calm while i scooted her into her new home...she'll probably be a good spider to take out of her container every now and then.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...s/IMG_8235s.jpg
close up
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...MG_8240crop.jpg

T. blondi. this pic took me a while to get..because every time i tried to take the lid off, it would run into that flower pot hide. certainly has some attitude...these things are notorious for flicking the hairs on their abdomen, which itches a lot. this is also the largest known species of spider in the world..maxing out at 12" in leg span. some are smaller, some are a little larger. they need higher humidity to thrive, so to combat the possibility of a mite infestation, i'm gonna find some "rolly pollies" don't know the scientific name..i guess they are also called pill bugs? they are the small grey bugs that curl up into a ball when they feel threatened. they'll eat all the left over food remains that would otherwise sit and attract mites.
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Old 2007-01-27, 23:16
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finally put all my Centruroides vittatus together in a communal set up. there are 3 males and one female. i tossed in a few crickets so they could eat if they wanted to. they should be fine, but occasionally they can be cannibalistic. generally, as long as they are fed well, there are plenty of hiding spots and overall room, and they are all about the same size..they will do alright. heres a couple pictures.

complete view of set up.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...s/IMG_8293s.jpg

close up of one of the males exploring his new crib.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...MG_8294crop.jpg

and since i was messing around with the scorps..i gave taking another uv photo a try. this time, instead of manually pushing the button, and causing the camera to shift a little, i used the timer function so the camera wouldn't really move at all. it came out a little more clear..but i think if i tweak some things, i might be able to get something a little better looking.
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Hah, talking about 'getting the albopilosum out now and then' here's a real old image of mine, taken in Feb 2003. It seems with the majority of spiders that they lose instinct when placed in this position.

Holding spiders is something I never really did unless I wound up with a spider on me, or for crude sexing purposes based on morphology... Oh and the occasional arty shot

As for the blondi... I've done my time with that species, and reactions to the urticating hairs just got progressivly worse over a period of seven years or so. I had a huge female we dubbed "War Bastard" and she had an abdomen the size of a tennis ball. In the genus though, Theraphosa apophysis is debatedly known as 'the largest spider' due to the leg spans they can attain, but blondi holds the title based on factors such as sheer bulk, availabilty, and how prominent/cliché they are in the pet trade and the media

EDIT: I just found a few more pictures etc that have reminded me of some of the other stuff I've had over the years. Here's a picture of a big Deroplatys desiccata I had for a few years, got a couple of hundred nymphs from her. There's also a picture of my Scolopendra alipes, the favourite the centipede I had. Also attached a picture of a regular male Tegenaria gigantea (our British 'house spiders').
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darko - they are fairly small..from "head" to tail, i would say they are 2.5" all of the scorps in that genus are pretty small as far as i know. checked on them this afternoon(morning for me hah) and 3 of them were all hanging out under the same piece of cork bark..the other was just chilling out on another piece on the other side of the enclosure. it looked like one of the males tried to mate with her last night...but it was a very tight/awkward position, and there was another male somewhat in the way. its fairly easy to get young from these scorps though..i think i'm all but guaranteed to have some babies one of these days, just by keeping them together. i just hope they don't start fighting over who gets that scorp puntang.

deifiler - i've seen some other pics of a tarantula "playing dead"..pretty funny looking. i've never even attempted to try it before. i don't take them out too often..just here and there with only a few of them. i just try and gauge how their behaving and try to get them to crawl onto me by putting my hand at the edge of the top of their container and just let them keep walking till they are all the way on board..then move my hand away from the tank. my male G. rosea is a different story though..hes the most laid back spider i've ever had, and will 9 times out of 10 just let me scoop him up. once he kinda backed away so i left him alone that time.

thats a pretty cool looking mantid..looks like a bunch of leaves kinda. good camouflage. i've never kept any mantids before.

yea i'm not sure about blondi vs. apophysis. i just always assumed anything in that genus to be pretty much the same size. but you are right..blondi is leagues ahead of apophysis in the pet trade. even two of the reptile stores here have a few blondi. ever see a mature male apophysis? i just saw a picture of one the other day..they get a nice metallic purple/blue coloration to them. very nice looking...it just sucks that their time is so limited at that point.
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Old 2007-01-28, 21:02
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them blondi's look really sick with their large abdomens. I really want one of those as my next spidy.
i noticed she had a bald spot; when/how do spiders lose their hairs? flicked to many?

and to come back on the feeders, grafcore, i just fed my crickets fat with fruit and vegies, and now they look really really swollen and cant walk. looks really funny in way, and im sure they're nutricious
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