i hav aobut 20 scales on like 4 pieced of paper if you want i can scan them.

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honestly I'm no expert on this whole thing, but people who say it sounds like a rock song and not death or whatever, don't be afraid to improvise. I like to set a basic precedent for the song but I tend to make up my own scales. I like to think of each note's relationship to the subsequent notes and try to rock out that way. I don't know the name of it, but the one used by a lot of Melodic Death/Swedish bands is pretty good sounding.

4:--------------0-2
5:-------0-2-3----
6:0-2-3-----------

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thats not a scale, just like a riff piece thats common, sorta like nu metals

6 -0-3-2-1-0-3-2-1 bla bla

they call it a scale because it consists of notes that connect with each other and can be repated, duplicated, and you can switch from a high E to a Low e and it will still sound in key and nice.but the 0 2 3 does sound nice tho

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get g major down and rip on that for a while... it will help sooo much and you'll see it used in a lot of songs and i dunno it will be good!

I just got harmonic minor pretty much memorized but I can't flow with it yet.. it sounds really good though for metal!

yeah harmonic minor just rips. THe iolian is probbaly the bst to work with because it includes all the kinds of fingering, the triple space (3-5-7), the double to single (4-5-7), and the single to double (5-7-8) and then back workds ect. Sometime today i will just scan like 4 pages of all these scales. probbaly byt later tonight they'll be on.

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the iolian scale again man??? and u mean that u play some sort of this thing:

--3-4-5-7-8--

come on post the damn scale man!

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yeah! that would be nice!

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-----------------------5--7--8-----------------------------
---------------------5--7--8-------------------------------
-------------------4--5--7---------------------------------
-----------------4--5--7-----------------------------------
---------------3---5--7------------------------------------
------------3---5---7--------------------------------------

there thats iolian, ok sorry i didnt post them last night, i was out till 12 then i hit the hay fast. Im goin out to lunch in about 30 mins and ill do it when i get back. stay tuned

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thanks man!

well....

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ahaha lemme do it tonight guys my scanner is only scanning half of it for some reason, im gunna drop by my friends house afteer school and scan it there, sorry..

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There are so many great scales to use, I think east-European and neoclassical is the best sound for metal, like the Spanish and Hungarian formula's, but lately I've been very content with the old Phrygian mode:


-0-|-0-|---|-0-|
-0-|-0-|---|-0-|
-0-|---|-0-|---|
-0-|---|-0-|-0-|
-0-|---|-0-|-0-|
-0-|-0-|---|-0-|

That's what I used to create this whirling vortex of a riff (A Phrygian, all eigth notes):

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----8-7--------------------8-7----------------
-------------8-7----7------------8-7----7----
-5-------5-------5-----6------6------6-------keep repeating

yeah...

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well...

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anyone here knows where i can find good scales for metal riffs?!!

I want some scaaaaaaaaaaaaaaales

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If you want an overview of nearly all scales and modes try out the program "Guitar Power".
Some of the features are:
Over 3000 chord voicings
Over 500 scales
Over 550 arpeggios
Triads in any inversion
Notes on the fretboard
Chord / Scale relationships

This should answer nearly every question you have concerning scales and modes. It is best to download it from www.tucows.com because the official site sucks both in speed and availability.

somebody asked about the diminished scale.well,here is an example:


|------------------------------------------4----7-----10|
|-------------------------------------6-------------------|
|--------------------------4----7------------------------|
|----------------------6----------------------------------|
|-----------5----8---------------------------------------|
|--4---7-------------------------------------------------|

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ifa nyone could help,i would like to know a site where i can find all scales and modes

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HEY! Look at the top of the guitar forum, scales and sweeps. look at them. IT has all the main scales, and the harmoic scales are METAL SCALES!!!! check it out thats what i posted it for.

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My favorite would be the standard scale for all kinds of metal: E Minor
Sometimes i use harmonic minor, diminished

Or this scale:
e:-------------------|
B:-------------------|
G:-------------------|
D:----------------1--|
A:--------0-1-3-4----|
E:--0-2-3------------|
(i don't know what it's called, but it's sounds cool for death metal and Morbid Angel uses this scale sometimes)

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i don't think it's used much, but i have a special predilection for the double harmonic scale. it's rare but very interesting. if you don't know it, here is how it is constructed:
R b2 3 4 5 #5 7