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Old 2002-09-29, 23:26
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I just read a book that said violence was a function of high self-esteem...

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(The book = Baumiester's "On Evil" - it's an academic book but very well written and bordering on shocking at times. Well worth reading.)
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Old 2002-09-30, 00:05
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a review on it from amazon.com by a reader.

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It's always disappointing when someone with academic credentials blunders on a large scale, but Baumeister's book is a particularly low water mark. I expect more from a study of violence and cruelty than uneducated statements such as, "Comedy is delicate and difficult, but fright is easily achieved." The preceding sentence appears in a section of the book that briefly touches on horror films. It's obvious that the author has never seen a highly acclaimed horror film or read a good book about the genre. Later in the same section it is implied that villains in general have been absent from true literature for a very long time. Well, I guess we can finally start burning the works of Shakespeare and Dickens then. This is simply the kind of book that takes us as a society backward instead of forward because it refuses to allow the truth to sway its a priori convictions, and surely in the bloated world of book publishing, that ought to be some kind of sin.


it had a few reviews and i nearly ordered it....but thats enough to turn me off.

although i have quite a bit of reading to catch up on anyway..... i'd have NO time if ordered it, seeing as my satanic bible arrived today, and behold a pale horse and atheism, a case against god is nearly here...i should be tied up for quite a while.

so, since i wont be reading that book, are there any real stand out points you could share with us??
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Old 2002-09-30, 00:27
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i can maybe see violence as bringing up your self-esteem...but i've never really thought about connecting violence to self-esteem in the first place...
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Old 2002-09-30, 00:34
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people that are highly violont are just arrogant, boligerant, egostatistic people. Alot of them are becuase there huge and they know they can take anyone on. So really isnt that what high self of steem is?
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Old 2002-09-30, 00:44
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what level of violence are we talking about here? being bullied in school or beating down your wife?
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i would be guessing bulleing.
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i would be guessing bulleing. but just becuase some one isnt afraid to get into a fight dosent make them violent
so i guess im sorta contridicting myself
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Old 2002-09-30, 01:53
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I'm 6ft 2, Dont hate myself, so i'm big with high self esteem then...

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From a bullying point of view, i'd say violence brings self-esteem. High school bullies feel powerful and god-like once they've beaten up just about everyone they can. Just a walk down the hall strikes fear in the smaller students' eyes....this makes the bully feel awesome.
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Old 2002-09-30, 07:25
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I'm 1 meter and 90 centimeters and Im a big boy overall so I really never had any problems, sometimes back in the day that I was small people called me alternative etc. in a negative way but now I don't hear any of that bullshit anymore.
never had any real problems or fights.l.
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i guess it would take some guts to beat some kid in public when you know about the punishment.
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really, violence is about power right? you beat some one up or hurt them to feel good, to make a stand, get it out of the system, feel good etc. to make the move you must have confidence: no one is going to go into a fight thinking oh my god theres no way i can even look this person in the eye. people have fights or start them or whatever because they have the confidence to do so, and go inot it thinking they will win. confidence is high self esteem.
even people who kill other people have this sick sense of power - cos they can control others destiny's as they please and at their will, and all it takes is that moment where you think/ know youw ill do it ( im guessing here!) and you do it. if it works i guess you get a rush of esteem, like you do when anything you want to make happen actually works.
so i guess it workis both ways - you get self esteem from causing violence, and violence can stem from high self esteem - perhaps too high.
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if beating people is wrong, but it raises your self-esteem, then,....

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Fighting sucks anyway, i've never really seen anything good come from it.
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the only fighting that bores me is everything not shown on t.v..
it seems to me that real life fighting looks weird and looks like
it would be hard work. but on t.v., it looks cool, and easy.

except for blade 2. man, was i disappointed with that movie.
those graphics sucked, and the story line copied a lot of cool movies like
aliens, and preditor.
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This whole thread strikes me as strange, because I don't have a damn bit of self esteem, I'll say that outright, but I really like fighting, and just all around being the one to kick people's life-loving happiness right in the testicles.
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Aww wally...

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Aww wally...

Your so sweet.


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