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Old 2006-09-07, 15:29
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oh, alright. Have you ever tried out the Floyd Rose Pro? Is that any good?


EDIT: What fretboard radius and string spacing do you use with your Floyds?
ive never tryd a floyd rose pro.
i currently just have a guitar with a kahler

fretboard radius depends on the guitar, or even brand of the guitar.

most fenders have a 10'' radius
most ibanez 14''
most jacksons 14 to 16''

then again, not ever jackson or ibanez wil have this radius.

im not eraly sure if u can change the saddles sepperate from each other on a floyd, wich u can on most strat style bridges, so i dno if u can make the saddles match the fingerboard radius.

i have no idea whats tring spacing my old jackson usa1 had, i dotn even know if they have alot of choice between them, they probaly have 2 dirrents spacings available i guess.
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Old 2006-09-07, 23:18
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so where can i go to buy an edge pro???
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Old 2006-09-08, 11:52
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They come standard on some of Ibanez's guitars(Rg prestige series, i think)
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Old 2006-09-08, 22:54
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ummm, ok... but i was wanting to buy one to replace my floyd rose, remember??? can i buy it without buying the guitar along with it???
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Old 2006-09-08, 23:33
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ummm, ok... but i was wanting to buy one to replace my floyd rose, remember??? can i buy it without buying the guitar along with it???


http://www.ibanezrules.com/parts.htm

As for the Kahler being able to dump the strings, it can be done, just adjust the fine tuner portion of the bridge. You can set the pull of the bar so that it mimics what a Floyd can do. I have mine set so I can pull up maybe +1/3-1/2 and octave, and the strings dump completely off the board.
Kahler's work by somewhat changing the length of the string in relation to the bridge(rollers). The scale length stays constant, nut to roller bridge. Think of the string between the roller and ball end hook as surplus string to use for the tremolo effect. On a Floyd type tremolo, the actual scale length changes because you are changing the actual placement of the saddles when you use the tremolo. There is no "surplus" string to add into the equation when using this type of tremolo.(Note: I am only using the term "surplus string" as a generic way to describe how a Kahler works.)

Whoever it was that said changing strings on a guitar using the Kahler tremolo system is misinformed. Changing strings on such a guitar should take no more time then on a standard TOM bridged guitar, save for fine tuning and locking the string.

EDIT: JS1Guitar, to swap out your tremolo, you will have to make sure that the tremolo you are replacing yours with must have the exact pivot post spacing or else it will be a drop in replacement. If you cannot do a drop in replacement(Ibanez Edges and FR types use different mounting spacing), you will have to gently pull out the threaded bushings, glue in a dowel in the hole, cut flush to the body, and then re-mark where the new posts will go and re-drill. Unless you know what you are doing and have the correct tools to do this mod, then please take your guitar and new tremolo to a guitar tech.

Another tremolo you might want to look at is the Schecter Floyd type tremolo. IIRC these will drop in directly. They are high quality Steel tremolos. Schecter I believe makes the bases for the OFR. END EDIT

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Old 2006-09-09, 00:04
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Like Kahler bridges or not, they do last longer and are more stable than Floyds. Everyone sets a guitar up differently. I love Kahler bridges. I have had guitars with neck/body angles and guitars without. Both with Kahlers and I get very loose strings on dives without an angled neck ( almost to the point the strings about fall off the saddles ).

I have used, setup, and repaired Kahler bridges for over 10 years and I have never had any major problem ( other than finding parts back when they were not being made any longer ). I've seen Floyds fuck up and end live shows though. Kahlars have a huge amount of range when diving and pulling up. More than enough to be dangerous and bust strings past +1 octive.

No offence K13m, but I think the cam on you kahler is maybe contacting wood somewhere. It may not be routed correctly. Both Floyd and Kahler have similer dive/pull up ranges ( both extremes being beyond practical use ).

Who cares anyway, both are fine bridges. Floyds just got more popular because they leased thier design and Kahler decided to maintain thier own quality design. I've always felt like Floyd sold out and I just hate the voodoo magic setup headache of cheap Floyds. Kahlers are so much easier to do everything on imo. A lot less wear too.
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Old 2006-09-09, 15:44
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Like Kahler bridges or not, they do last longer and are more stable than Floyds. Everyone sets a guitar up differently. I love Kahler bridges. I have had guitars with neck/body angles and guitars without. Both with Kahlers and I get very loose strings on dives without an angled neck ( almost to the point the strings about fall off the saddles ).

I have used, setup, and repaired Kahler bridges for over 10 years and I have never had any major problem ( other than finding parts back when they were not being made any longer ). I've seen Floyds fuck up and end live shows though. Kahlars have a huge amount of range when diving and pulling up. More than enough to be dangerous and bust strings past +1 octive.

No offence K13m, but I think the cam on you kahler is maybe contacting wood somewhere. It may not be routed correctly. Both Floyd and Kahler have similer dive/pull up ranges ( both extremes being beyond practical use ).

Who cares anyway, both are fine bridges. Floyds just got more popular because they leased thier design and Kahler decided to maintain thier own quality design. I've always felt like Floyd sold out and I just hate the voodoo magic setup headache of cheap Floyds. Kahlers are so much easier to do everything on imo. A lot less wear too.
nah mine is routed good and setup good, the only masterbuilder in holland build my guitar, and he has over 25 years experience building and repairing guitars.. ohwell whatever:P
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Old 2006-09-10, 17:40
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Now I'm really torn between which trem I'm gonna get... Now that I think about it, I'm gonna most likely get two guitars (probably custom) with similar specs, one with a Kahler 2315 trem and the other with a Floyd Rose Original or Pro and see which one I like better. Then any other custom guitars I get afterwards will get the trem I like better.
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