i consider converge "metalcore" but i also consider them just hardcore..or even "post hardcore" if you want...to me it doesn't really matter very much. i love converge (more their pre jane doe stuff) they kick ass..and have more inovation that MOST bands. if you are unable to recognize this..then somethings wrong with you ..or you are lying to yourself haha. you don't have to like them..but to say they are shit is retarded. i used to not like them when i was just into punk rock..i thought it sounded too crazy/random and thus shitty...but later i realized they were much much better than the punk i was listening to at the time heh.

That's the same thing I thought about Cannibal Corpse. "Brutaller" music is a taste that you kind of have to develop.

On a lighter note; I HAVE to ask this because it kind of gnaws at me. What is the difference between Metalcore and Hardcore? Aren't they the same thing?

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JAne Doe is awesome. I don't mind their emo shit on you fail me either.

Requiem and Compelled, please refer to page 2, post 2 of this thread.

not that i hated jane doe...i just prefer forever comes crashing and petitioning the empty sky. favorite song on jane doe has got to be heaven in her arms.


to me, as far as metalcore vs hardcore goes...i see it as a kind of spectrum
punk on one end..metal on the other. punk - hardcore - metal. maybe i see it more this way because i began listening to punk..then more "hardcore punk" then eventually hardcore etc now i listen to all of that crap.

but when someone says metalcore...i just think more on the metal end of hardcore than the punk end. thats why i don't get too wrapped up in all the little names people come up with...because regardless, i just throw it somewhere in my understanding of this kind of music wherever i think it goes.

Metalcore, as it is genearlly reffered to now, has more complex guitar lines(usually related to melodic death guitar parts) than regular hardcore with a "chugging" breakdown thrown in to make the song have a moshworthy climax. the breakdowns almost always are just various synchopated rhythms of the lowest note on the guitar. They are also almost always over a 4/4 beat too. The vocals (in a shouting manner and clean, effiminate singing sporatically thrown in) and these breakdowns are what make up the "core" part of metalcore as it is reffered to now. There is anohter definition of metalcore that i dont know enough about ot describe well. The version I did describe though is what most people talk about when speaking of metalcore and it is generally frowned upon.

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Dont worry about that post ^

Metalcore = Between The Buried and Me

Hardcore = Terror

Listen and be enwisened.

yeah i should have mentioned that most of what is described as metalcore today is not what the word originally meant. Out of all the genre classifications, metalcore gets thrown around the most and is a really hard genre to accurately pigeonhole.

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Converge is fucking great stuff. I'm seeing them in September with Mastodon.

Botch is pretty cool, Mansley. A friend let be borrow a CD for a few days and I was impressed (although I've never been huge on that style of vocals). They've got some twisted riffage

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Kind of like Nu-Metal.


Dunno if you consider them Metalcore, but I used to be in love with Killswitch Engage. I still like them alot, but I couldn't stop listening to "The End of Heartache." Kind of have that same feeling for Lacuna Coil right now.

BTW, I love those moments in life where you make the absolutely best choice in any decision-making situation. I chose Lacuna Coil's Karmacode over Atreyu's.... whatever album that was with the vampire-like woman on the front (Don't know too much about Atreyu, other than their lead vocalist brings down the energy in the band IMO).

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Ha. I would have to say you picked the lesser of two evils but.......neither of those bands are nearly as evil as EMPEROR so there is really no point.

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yea botch is pretty badass too! check them out for sure.

matter of fact...i might just throw some on now..

Meh, I don't look for evil in music. However, I do avoid pussy music like Atreyu.... no offense to Christina Scabbia, who has a pussy.

I had to throw it in, but I don't think my joke was delivered well.

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I would have to say that BTBAM is more than just Metalcore. They have more versatility than most of the bands in the genre. I would say that As I Lay Dying fits. And they blow.

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You're an idiot. Between the buried and me, yes a million genre influences including death metal grindcore tech death hardcore jazz melodic metal but gee what is that metal at its core yes well that makes metalcore sorry next person to try and start a lame technical correction please.

Glad to see some of my recommendations are welcomed!

To the twat who equated metalcore with nu-metal: Just because you do not like a particular genre does not make it nu-metal. Remove your brain from your rectum, sputum nugget.

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I only have one As I Lay Dying CD (Shadows are Security). They are an alright band, but from what it looks like, no one has told them how they can actually play at a different tempo. It seems all there songs are at like 170-190. IT's good music, but show some variety.

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Lol, nice try.

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Ok well dude either way i dont care about what you call them becaus as long as a million other people say they are metalcore and they get brought up in metlacore talk like this thread and or in real life i really dont care.