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Old 2006-08-21, 02:57
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Converge are metalcore? What? Whoa.
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Old 2006-08-21, 03:23
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Oh my fucking god.

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Requiem, noone gives a fuck how good grindcore is because you're a fucking idiot.

Doktorskell, you're a fucken idiot too. Now shut the fuck up in this thread and talk metalcore or get out. This thread does not need to be bogged down by your lame bullshit. Although, there is a thread that does, and thats the RTT.
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Old 2006-08-21, 03:25
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Now can anyone tell me any bands that are like converge... I'm talking dissonant chords, feedback, blasts and normal beats, fucken wicked sick vocals, and most of all meaning and passion in their music. Thank you
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Lots of people say lots of things about metalcore. I honestly have no idea what it is, aside from a combination of hardcore (which, we should remember, is metal-infused punk) with any number of variations on thrash (which is hardcore-infused metal, or metal-infused-punk-infused-metal), making it something like metal-infused-punk-infused-metal-infused-punk-infused-metal. Point is that metal and punk have been cross-pollinating for a while now. And the fact of the matter is that a lot of the metal you like isn't 1/10th as good (or, for that matter, as heavy) as the best hardcore, so cut out the bullshit.

Finally, like Mansley pointed out, while a lot of 'metalcore' is just shitty metal with shitty breakdowns, it also seems to attract some of the more interesting techies.
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Old 2006-08-21, 04:00
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Finally, like Mansley pointed out, while a lot of 'metalcore' is just shitty metal with shitty breakdowns, it also seems to attract some of the more interesting techies.


And unfortunately whenever the term "metalcore" is uttered, most people start to gag and stuff things in their ears because its the terrible generic shit that somehow dominates the genre in a half-assed manner.
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i know isis come from the boston hardcore scene<same one as converge>i dont know if they fit the bill as metalcore<not really familiar with them>, which i guess goes to show how relative the scenes are and the bands that started out in them

the most impressive stuff ive seen live was a richmond,va band called "undying" i dont know if this band exists anymore or ever got a good release. a band that was had good songs, not technical ones.
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I don't know why "breakdowns" is such a dirty word among metalheads. If it is done smoothly and heavily within the context of a song then most people won't even notice it. Death metal bands have really heavy breakdowns. Take "Slit Your Guts" by Cryptopsy or "Preemptive Strike" by Malevolant Creation. I do think it is stupid for the singer to yell "breakdown!!!!" or some shit before the breakdown happens. I think Tom Araya yelling "SOOLLLLOOOOOOO" right before Jeff Hanenman melts the neck with a wicked solo would have taken some points away from a song as well. I feel kinda hypocritical though, cause Unearth has some of the most forced breakdowns of all the new metalcore bands.
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Old 2006-08-21, 09:40
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My definition of metalcore includes math-core. I don't think it's a very descriptive genre name so I prefer to class it under the metal infused hardcore (which is what bands like Botch, Drowningman, etc are) tag of metalcore.

All the bands like KsE, God Forbid, Trivium, Shadows Fall et al are New Wave of American Heavy Metal (NWOAHM) to my ears and not metalcore.

Myles: Try Botch. They don't utilize blasts but they're chock full of dissonance and feeling. Another dissonant band would be Drowningman, but they use it brilliantly in the way they employ counterpoint. They have slightly more of a hardcore feel to them than Botch, though.
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I'm still yet to hear a Trivium song.
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Your not missing much - a Maiden riff here, a butchered harmonised Metallica solo there.
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Yeah, I figured as much. Why do you think I haven't heard a Trivium song yet? =P

Off topic: Decimate Christendom is class. If you haven't heard Diabolical Conquest, grab that too.
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It's the only Incantation I have at the moment - and yeah it is class, moreso than I was expecting to be honest. I'll be sure to get Diabolical Conquest when I get a chance - thanks for the recommendation!
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It's the only Incantation I have at the moment - and yeah it is class, moreso than I was expecting to be honest. I'll be sure to get Diabolical Conquest when I get a chance - thanks for the recommendation!


I can play Decimate Christendom and Dying Divinity start to finish one after another It is one wicked sick record thats for sure, and the tabs here ARE WRONG.

And Mansly thanks for the recommendations, finally no bullshit in such a lame thread.
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That's a pretty pointless question.. I think they all suck.

have you heard unearth. I didn't like metal core at all until i heard them. BTBAM are tight too.
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As far as popularity goes, yeah, but they are far from being the same musically. Nu-metal's more about rhythm and lack of melody, pretty much fusing hip hop with metal (pisses off a few black people where I live because they see it as the "white man takin' [their] music!"). Metalcore is heavier and involves the guitarist more than in nu-metal.

Or were you getting at the fact that every nu-metal band sounds the same just like how every metalcore band sounds the same?

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According to Wikipedia, they are one of the pioneers of the genre.

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have you heard unearth. I didn't like metal core at all until i heard them. BTBAM are tight too.

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