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Old 2006-07-08, 22:19
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It's important. Using a pick is a morally evil act in bass playing. It implies not simply a lack of talent but an all-out attack on the foundations and institutions of bass-playing, similar, in character, to the Communist plot to flourinate the world's water supplies.

well, I would call cheating your way out of practicing a good technique a lack of talent
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Old 2006-07-09, 00:31
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So you're untalented for not knowing how to pick as well as I do?
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Old 2006-07-09, 04:49
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I used to give a shit after pick playing bassists. Now I couldnt care less.
Actually there aint that many that use a pick from the bands I listen to, as in most/some records the bass is inaudible anyways.
I'm satisfied if the bass can be heard at all, if the bassist uses a pick,
he/she loses a few of my respect points and usually I can expect that the
bass lines arent that mind blowing (dont vary from guitar lines at all)
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Old 2006-07-09, 19:34
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So you're untalented for not knowing how to pick as well as I do?

i never said I couldnt pick,
theres not much skill required to move your wrist side to side
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Old 2006-07-09, 20:13
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I can move my fingers up and down too.





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Wow, everything sounds dumb and easy if you say it the right way.

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Old 2006-07-09, 21:15
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its alot more than just moving your fingers up and down
but im sure you know that,
i know that talking to you im going to get owned sooner or later
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Old 2006-07-09, 23:22
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Playing with a pick is just as valid as playing with your fingers. END.
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Old 2006-07-09, 23:25
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no it isnt, END
and im sure if we took a pole Fingers would prevail
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Old 2006-07-10, 01:48
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Of course it would, we're in a pointlessly elitist bass forum in a metal forum where, in general, technical proficiency beats good band role playing. Even if this weren't the case, a poll doesn't mean shit.

I realize that playing fingerstyle is more than just moving your fingers up and down; I can play fingerstyle bass pretty well (probably better than you can pick). But it can be reduced to that. And playing with a pick is more than just moving your wrist side to side, though it can be reduced to that. The whole pick bassist controversy is a bunch of whining by myopic douchebags who don't realize that the measure of a bassist is not whether or not he holds a slim piece of plastic in his right hand, which, to me, only calls into question if they can effectively play bass in a group rather than in their bedrooms.
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Old 2006-07-10, 10:07
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but....
name one famous bassist that was known for playing bass,
that used a pick
he has to be good too mike dirnt doesnt count
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Old 2006-07-10, 10:56
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Pete Trewavas and Kristoffer Gildenlow come to mind. Pete is one of the most tasteful bass players out there. Now let me throw in a quote that should should put an end to this argument.

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When I first started playing bass, I remember being confronted with this confounding question: Should I play with a pick, my fingers, or both? As Iíve grown as a player, Iíve learned that the most rewarding answer is both. While a specialty is inevitable, versatility is a skill that will pay off your entire musical life.


VERSATILITY!
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Old 2006-07-10, 11:16
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That's a great quote. For me playing bass is all about the expression you put into the notes you play. Fingerpicking gives me the most control and freedom to express what I want to get across.
However, I'm sure to a pick player the pick is a part of his hand. Like a carpenter with a hammer - he can make it do whatever he wants.
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Old 2006-07-10, 12:35
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Pete Trewavas and Kristoffer Gildenlow come to mind. Pete is one of the most tasteful bass players out there. Now let me throw in a quote that should should put an end to this argument.



VERSATILITY!

you can do any style and achieve any sound with your fingers
it just takes,
practice
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Old 2006-07-10, 16:18
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You can't do mechanical downstrokes with your fingers as is sometimes required by the nature of metal. You actually can't replicate the sound of something like, say, that Japanese fag's tremelo picking in that video with your fingers; I've yet to hear fingers (including those of fast flamenco guitarists) actually sound like trem-picking.

Famous, good pick bassists? I'll start with Paul McCartney (and before you point out that he was untalented, let me point out that he redefined the role of the bassist in rock and roll and that, if you play with the band at all - which you may very well not do - then chances are you owe him a lot). D'Amour and Chancellor from Tool (bass is practically a lead instrument in that band), Chris Squire, Roger Waters, Allen Woody, Andy West, Doug Pinnick, Sting etc. Then there's a list of people who use picks sometimes, which includes Steve Digorgio and Tony Levin (though he also plays bass with drumsticks).

Like anything else, there's a lot more you can do with a bass than be technically proficient, and you close off a lot of opportunities with knee-jerk reactions like most bassists seem to have to picks. They can be a sign that the bassist in question is just a failed guitarist who will contribute nothing to bass playing. Or it could be a personal preference. Much less of a big deal than bass players like to make it.
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Old 2006-07-10, 18:50
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very good point but most of the people who know of paul mccartney dont know him for playing bass, just being in the beatles and being....paul mccartney
but I am willing to accept pick bassists as legit musicians now
but i still dont like em
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Old 2006-07-11, 03:25
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Old 2006-07-11, 14:32
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D'Amour and Chancellor from Tool (bass is practically a lead instrument in that band), Chris Squire, Roger Waters, Allen Woody, Andy West, Doug Pinnick, Sting etc. Then there's a list of people who use picks sometimes, which includes Steve Digorgio and Tony Levin (though he also plays bass with drumsticks).

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Jesus, how could I forget all those guys (and girl)?! I might go as far as to say that Tool wouldnt be Tool without that bass tone (and the occasional whammy). Chris Squire is another huge pick player (literally). Good points PST 88.
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Old 2006-07-13, 19:50
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Old 2006-07-13, 20:04
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I dont think thats rex brown..
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Old 2006-07-13, 20:05
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those are the best pics you could find???
mendez looks like glenn danzig and I dont even think thats really rex at all
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