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Old 2006-06-16, 12:27
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Every band is a noise band. The Locust is just a bad band. No getting around it.
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Old 2006-06-17, 04:19
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hahaha what do you do at a locust show? stand around or make an angry face or what??



we wear skin tight clothing,snort meth and have really effectively horrendous aerodynamically fucked haircuts, our dance moves are quite limited due to the poor circulation.

a wierd thing about locust shows is that people who hate them.......pay to get in so they can heckle them in probably the most ineffective and cowardly way ive seen. but they already payed??? its fucking stupid. this is usually the XXXXXhardXcoreXboneXheadXXXXXX crowd too.

funny thing is the locust usually shares bills with noise/avante garde-straight-outta-art-school type bands. its not like these guys came to see XXXXXtheinsecuremeatheadsXXXXXX or XXXXXXXXtheXstraightedgeXtrendyXassholesXXXXX. or whatever band thats music consists of and endless enthusiasm for the power chords.

another thing about locust shows, they refuse to play clear channel venues, more bands should do this if they know whats good for music
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Old 2006-06-17, 04:30
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a wierd thing about locust shows is that people who hate them.......pay to get in so they can heckle them in probably the most ineffective and cowardly way ive seen. but they already payed??? its fucking stupid. this is usually the XXXXXhardXcoreXboneXheadXXXXXX crowd too.

A lot of people do that. It's fucking retarded. I would never spend hard earned dollars on a band I hate just to heckle.
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The locust are gayer than dale winton getting bummed by david hasselhoff.
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Old 2006-06-17, 05:39
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The locust are gayer than dale winton getting bummed by david hasselhoff.


dude, we heard you the first time. didnt you start this thread?, does this really need re-iteration? and from what i glean from your posts you do seem to like alot of black metal.

its a little hard to understand someone who digs bands that dress up like......you know, clowns in midevil armor <waving swords and shit>, in all seriousness,that rags on a band that dresses up in bugs intentionally to be rediculous.

and as far as the music goes,you may not like it, but the locust do sound like.......the locust. where as most black metal sounds like a endless series of Emperor rip-offs.
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Old 2006-06-17, 13:41
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dude, we heard you the first time. didnt you start this thread?, does this really need re-iteration? and from what i glean from your posts you do seem to like alot of black metal.

I'm saying what i want alright? if you don't like it, tell it to someone who cares.

So what if i like alot of black metal i like alot of different stuff i'm not one of these people who only listens to one type of music ALL the time.
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Old 2006-06-17, 15:16
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I'm saying what i want alright? if you don't like it, tell it to someone who cares..



shit man,yeah, you said the same thing like 3 times, we get it.


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So what if i like alot of black metal i like alot of different stuff i'm not one of these people who only listens to one type of music ALL the time.


fair enough, i had been trying to instigate a little dialogue, if you will, on why and what specifically is nature of that dislike to anyone who really cares to explain. this is,after all, a music forum....."bands" section.....and maybe we could get past the really creative and witty denounciations and explore,if you will, the.....ahh.....reasons.

i like hearing the other side,usually,on bands i like. granted if its a well thought out argument. i myself see some flaws that turn alot of folks off about them.

but shit, dont let me stop you from saying what you want. i mean,crusade forth and impart this crucial knowledge upon the world. dont let evil low-tech stand in your way.
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Old 2006-06-17, 15:57
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when i think about the locust(s) , i think of two things:

why do more people know about them then good bands who actually care about music.

and why do people like it when untalented people make a mockery out of music by doing like bands such as this do, and calling it a "joke".

stuff like this is disheartening to a musician who actually cares. (me)

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Old 2006-06-17, 17:44
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No i wouldn't find it dis-heartening if theywant to be so crap people laugh at them whcih i feel is generally the idea. The fine they can, laugh with them or at them.
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Old 2006-06-17, 22:26
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when i think about the locust(s) , i think of two things

why do more people know about them then good bands who actually care about music.


i cant explain thier popularity, they are condemned universally from metal sources to even the pretentious "art" crowd. but i think a large element of thier fans are definately people who are into the noise avante garde side of underground music, the whole "art school" ironic spandex wearing,mustash,mullet "art fag" fare<this is what they are usually labeled as, i have alot of friends from art school who arent like this>. these people arent metal fans beyond maybe owning some man-o-war,iron maiden or slayer albums.

and for some reason the locust are constantly typecasted as being emo-hardcore which i dont understand, this pretty much earned them blind hatred from the more tough guy hardcore crowd. how are they emo? i think it has to do with alot of people making thier minds up about them without actually listening to thier music.

so i think the major difference with the locust and the kind of metal you are refering to is that for the suprising number of fans they have there is an equal amount of people who hate them,an unnatural hatred where the band couldnt just be quietly regarded as being without musical merit and ignored. whereas the metal you like is either unknown or just ignored, unless people come to the shows you go to and try to pick a fight with the bands,these people at the same time paying to be there.

and the style of metal you like may yet to emerge into popularity. im for one not really familiar with the stuff you listen too, which i assume is the moreso the europen folk,viking element of black/power metal as opposed to the the more conventional black metal. i myself have a hard time with the corpse-painted warrior element with that style, its on par with bands like the locust in presentation, the whole "costumed gimmick" thing,except in my eyes the locust arent mooching off of someone elses look.

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and why do people like it when untalented people make a mockery out of music by doing like bands such as this do, and calling it a "joke".


its avante garde, have you heard some of Coltrane stuff?, some free form, atonal jazz music <alot of jazz guy payed dearly for making it with alot of thier fans>. thats what this is but it has more grindcore structure and its precise<not even remotely improv>. the music is something that they take seriously, but the message and presentation of it is supposed to be "strange,surreal,abstract"there is an element of self-parody. most metal has a penchant for z-grade slasher movie lyrics,hailing satan or odin, the whole "swords and sorcery" kind of vibe. its all kinda rediculous at the same time.

ive been arguing with jazz drummers in a drum forum for about a week straight about this. to the outsider,extreme metal and bands like the locust are one in the same to them, no dynamics,all chops and shred,shock value musician gimmicks, technical music that lacks any musicallity.

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stuff like this is disheartening to a musician who actually cares. (me)


you should talk metal with jazz guys, then talk about jazz to classical music guys. everyone feels cheated and overlooked about the music they want to do.
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What about Wierd Al? He's a total joke, but he still kicks ass.
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What about Wierd Al? He's a total joke, but he still kicks ass.

Hahaha yeah
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Old 2006-06-18, 14:32
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How can anyone like these? I mean seriously they just create serious balls.


...I love this band.

Criticize a band, not the people who listen to them (unless they have a sheepish following, such as Slipknot). Some of us don't limit ourselves to 'KILL KILL KILL DEAF METUL!1!1'.

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dude, we heard you the first time. didnt you start this thread?, does this really need re-iteration? and from what i glean from your posts you do seem to like alot of black metal.

its a little hard to understand someone who digs bands that dress up like......you know, clowns in midevil armor <waving swords and shit>, in all seriousness,that rags on a band that dresses up in bugs intentionally to be rediculous.


Yeah, i find it pretty ironic that people will trash a scene, while they themselves praise another scene as if it was the End-All-Be-All. Trash The Locust, fine, but shove your black metal up your ass, you opinionated shit. (Not you Low-Tech).
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Old 2006-06-18, 14:45
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Criticize a band, not the people who listen to them (unless they have a sheepish following, such as Slipknot).

Locust fans I don't make fun of, but there are some very gay fans of equally gay music. For instance, Christian Hardcore fans are fucking douchebags along with the straight edge fans that try to shove their beliefs down your neck. Being straight edge is fine in itself, just shut the fuck up about it.
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I'm downloading plague soundtracks now.
It sounds quite good.
why all the hatred?
Just saw how they dress up,that's really funny
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Locust fans I don't make fun of, but there are some very gay fans of equally gay music. For instance, Christian Hardcore fans are fucking douchebags along with the straight edge fans that try to shove their beliefs down your neck. Being straight edge is fine in itself, just shut the fuck up about it.



ive played shows with some christian hardcore bands down south, those guys seem extremely timid to the "heathen" outsider, there was one show in arkansas where i wasnt even aware until the promoter told me, basically a house show in which there was really no other option to provide a bill that will attract locals including these sort of bands. these folks were very nice to me and thier fans equally so. i noticed the bands all sounded like coalesce or a lighter more melodic converge

so my view on christian hardcore is no different than the straight edge scene and all political hardcore. they are insular and prefer to preach to thier own chior and really dont do much to "spread the word"<granted these bands ive seen could just be christians and not use thier music as a soap box for thier cause>. straight edge hardcore already had about 15 years or so to dominate the genre only to completely alienate thier following with the whole "martyr act" "the holier than thou" approach to music. thats why now you just see straight edge people in bands, not bands like the strife,teen idles,h2O,earth crisis etc. the bands left from the 90s are moreso a shinning example on what not to do with your music, to sell it short in meaning by reiterating Chomsky,PETA pamphelets,minor threat etc. i think dropdead and tragedy are the only bands left that are good and political/vegan/animal rights etc that still do it.


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Yeah, i find it pretty ironic that people will trash a scene, while they themselves praise another scene as if it was the End-All-Be-All. Trash The Locust, fine, but shove your black metal up your ass, you opinionated shit. (Not you Low-Tech)..


the thing with black metal is its so elitist that its not changing,evolving,anything. its the most copied and imitated genre next to death metal. but at least with death metal there are some current bands that are good,offering something new imo. after a while this repeat imitation is refered to as "nostalgia". nostalgia was my biggest point when taking to jazz musicians "you guys arent doing anything i havent heard done 60 years ago". most genres of metal can easily fall down this road

and i think alot people who hate the locust to the degree of showing up at a show to cause problems hate change, hate anything to challenge the status quo within hardcore and metal. if you dont like them why create a thread to advertise them, if they are gayer than hasselhoff why are we having a discussion on them. they arent even a metal band in terms of the guitar work. "thou protest too much" as a very ungrim-non-kvlt-emo-art-fag shakespeare would say.
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Locust fans I don't make fun of, but there are some very gay fans of equally gay music.

I don't think that was aimed at you, but sure, that happens with everything.

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For instance, Christian Hardcore fans are fucking douchebags

Christian Metalcore*. And yes, some of their fans are douchebags, but the Christian Metalcore acts are really decent for the most part (case in point, August Burns Red, and As I Lay Dying just to name two).

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along with the straight edge fans that try to shove their beliefs down your neck. Being straight edge is fine in itself, just shut the fuck up about it.


Yes, which is why I abandoned the label, and ultimately, started drinking like an alcoholic.
Being straight edge is a personal choice, and anyone stupid enough breathe down your neck about being straight edge, or not being straight edge, is an asshole. Doing it to be trendy is the dumbest shit ever, and those are the kids who need to disassociate themselves with the label of Straight Edge.

There are some really deep people out there with some true meaning behind the label. When I did it, it was because of seeing alot of my friends fall to drugs and alcohol, and because my at the time girlfriend's mother was an alcoholic, and I did it for her (even though she wasn't straight edge).

Yeah, all I'm saying by all of it is don't lump everyone into the same group. I interact with alot of the "scenes" that people usually stereotype as all douchebags, and 90% of them are good people. But like with every group (only about half of 'metalheads' are good people, i've found, no offense to anyone) there are the people who fuck it up for the rest of us.

Alright.
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the thing with black metal is its so elitist that its not changing,evolving,anything. its the most copied and imitated genre next to death metal. but at least with death metal there are some current bands that are good,offering something new imo. after a while this repeat imitation is refered to as "nostalgia". nostalgia was my biggest point when taking to jazz musicians "you guys arent doing anything i havent heard done 60 years ago". most genres of metal can easily fall down this road.


Every black metal band I've heard sounds like they are ripping off one of the following bands:
Darkthrone
Immortal
Dissection
Emperor
Darkthrone
DARK-THRONE

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and i think alot people who hate the locust to the degree of showing up at a show to cause problems hate change, hate anything to challenge the status quo within hardcore and metal. if you dont like them why create a thread to advertise them, if they are gayer than hasselhoff why are we having a discussion on them. they arent even a metal band in terms of the guitar work. "thou protest too much" as a very ungrim-non-kvlt-emo-art-fag shakespeare would say.


"We don't like metalcore because they have the same type of guitar work as real metal, but with breakdowns. Which makes it UNCOOL!"

Seriously, go give As I Lay Dying a chance. Oh wait, its not TECHNICAL enough for some of you people.

Seriously, get over yourselves.
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Q. Why do Hardcore and Metal-Core bands hate Death Metal?

A. Because it is not trendy


You are a fucking idiot.
Most metalcore bands are extreme fans of death metal, tard-o.

Why do hardcore kids hate death metal? cause you can't dance to it, and you can't understand the vocals. Thats their logic, not mine. yeah, its retarded.

The lesson I'm trying to teach?
Stop lumping Metalcore in with Hardcore.
Two different styles, shared only by breakdowns, and the people who listen to it.
If that is your logic, then by proxy Death metal, thrash metal, and black metal are the same genre.

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