I like JCM800's. Sound good, and shouldn't be too expensive second hand if you know where to look.
They do need a boost and an EQ pedal though.

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hey does any remember the model name of the old discontinued marshall head that is only like 35 watts or something, you can pick em up for super cheap and appearently they sound awesome when cranked, i remember BLS mentioning these


EDIT: found it, its the 3203

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the key to jcm 900's is making sure they have el34's.. the 6l6 and 5881 loaded versions sound like junk since the amp was totally designed with el34's in mind. but since marshall's tube provided at the time stopped producing el34's, they just loaded the amps with 5881/6l6 type tubes.

also regarding the jcm 900's. there are different versions. the 4100 and 4500 models are the dual reverb models in 100w or 50w versions. these are the most common versions, and they really need to be cranked up alot and max out the gain to get brutal.

then there are the 2100 and 2500 100w and 50w versions(also know as sl-x) which do not have reverb, but have an added tube for more gain. these are the thick metal monster marshalls of all time imo. the 2100 is the one grindchord mentioned earlier.

the jcm 2000's don't suck by anymeans. i really like them. not enough to own one. good cleans for a marshall, the crunch isnt anything write home about, and they do a really good high gain sound(argue all you want, i could throw out some proffesional recordings with these on them that sound great.)

but if you really want the best marshall. you need to get a splawn promod 100 in a custom marshall replica case. http://splawnguitars.com/amps_products.htm

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What you just said is a noobish thing to assume. Nobody had one in my high school, it was all Mesa, Fender and Yorkville (for bass).

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I agree. Its possible that MAYBE they like Marshall tone for that sound. Once again. The Marshall has a great rock sound, and therefor decient for punk. I find it hard to believe a shit ton of pro bands play on Marshalls because they just went along with some trendy thing to use Marshalls.

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His point is kind of true.Marshall are the definitive guitar amplifier.Its true they sell alot of their amps because of their name.

What do you guys think about the DSL 50? How is it's distortion and overall tone?
Over here, there arent any guitar shops with tube amps so i cant go in and try one out. my only choice is ebay.

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I've got a marshall dsl 100, its really really awesome and its so simple to use, all this crap about it sounding thin is bollocks. By far the best marshalls created. They sound good dimed but still sound good when there at medium level (3 and above). If you've got the volume under 3 it'll sound a bit crap as you have to kick in some volume to open up the tube sound. But it might be different with a 50 watt dsl due to the difference in power.

I'd try it out first, just so you know you like it. I remember trying so many amps before i settled on the dsl. Well worth it

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I like the jcm 2000's. They have brutal gain when cranked. I mean, listen to nile

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I didnt know nile used them, cool

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With a bost pedal or modified amp, I'm sure. If you want to know for sure, Karl is very active on the Nile forums. He's a pretty nice dude too, so if he hasn't mentioned what he uses yet, I'm sure he or someone that has asked him before will tell you.

He doesn't keep any secrets about his gear. The way he plays is the secret to his tone.

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nile definitely uses marshalls. i go to guitar center and play their jcm 2000's and it just screams nile. they rock.

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Sorry to be an noob, but why are they so bad?

Well,they arent great sounding,and are cheap.They sell because of the logo on the front.

they sound like crap, but use a gimmick to sell them.

"zOMG der is a TOOBE in it!!!11!"

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Haha!

They sound better than cheaper solid state shit.

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I don't know. There are some nice sounding S.S. amps today.

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Well thats not what i'm saying. I'm having a hard time understanding how alot of these people seem to think just cause its valve state that it sucks MORE than a solid state amp priced the same or even less. Makes zero sense to me.

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It doesn't make it suck more just because its hybrid, but hybrid amps do seem to be missing the best qualities of both types of amps. Just my opinion, for whats its worth. I think it has to do with hybrid amps still needing a little more research, but the builders promote them like they are made of gold. Even Randall, one of the best S.S. amp builders, are making some hybrid amps and they just don't score up to the all S.S. or all tube amps they build when it comes to tone. I've tried hybrid, S.S., and tube amps next to each other and just didn't like the hybrids. Maybe I need to play with hybrids more to uncover their better qualities, but I wonder if maybe a S.S. preamp and tube poweramp might sound better. Maybe that would capture some of the better qualities of both types of amps.

Kinda like a hybrid hybrid amp

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The problem with hybrid amps is that altough there is a preamp tube in it, the gain still comes from the transistors. The tube is only there for the "color", but it just doesn't realy do anything if it doesn't have any gain effect.

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