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Old 2006-04-23, 07:16
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Lyrics like that strike me as pretentious, like those annoying arty movies nobody gets. I wrote a set of lyrics like that though, and it means a lot to me, whilst I did try to make an effort to make it remotely understandable (The Penguinmen Stomp On Our Hearts).

Things like that tend to have a hint of Ern Malley to them, and that gets somewhat annoying because if lyrics are too jumbled you can never know whether it's just someone writting randomly to inflate their ego or as a joke or if it's something meaningful.
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Old 2006-04-23, 09:23
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dude, meaningless. half-developed ideas that go nowhere and dont leave an overall point.

its not like every band i listen to has to have this deep message with every song but some shit operates under the guise of having a point and other stuff is absurd on purpose and just leaves it at that. this song even has a STAR WAR reference,c'mon


Oh well, oh well. But californication is another word for prostitution.
The point should be clear and is not directed at you, low-tech. I find this worth contemplating when I don't understand.
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Old 2006-04-23, 13:44
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I didn't mean 'keeping' as in 'not throwing out' - though I wish more authors would burn or throw out what they discard - but in a sense more like 'using.' I takes a lot of writing to write well, and most of it won't be good. If you end up including the bad in your final product, you're a lazy and mediocre writer, at best.
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Old 2006-04-23, 16:36
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There's been very few pieces I've really liked of my own. When folks at one forum really liked a lot of them I started posting here to get a second opinion so to speak. I've adjusted to the pro's and rejection's I get. Everyone can't like everything. I've talked about putting together pieces I do like in a booklike format, but so far it's just an idea. Even pieces I'd like to submit to publisher's I'd fine tune. Some I will hang onto, but they won't be shared with too many people for various reasons.

PST, why don't you ever post anything? Do you not write or just don't here?
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Old 2006-04-23, 17:10
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Oh well, oh well. But californication is another word for prostitution.
The point should be clear and is not directed at you, low-tech. I find this worth contemplating when I don't understand.



it references a bunch of stuff. but you'll have to dig hard at the naunce of word choice in only some of the lines to get mere references without real cohesion. most of the text is completely lost on me on its meaning.
im still working on the Alderon part, the psychic spies from china part, the teenage girl get high off information part, the first born unicorn part, hardcore soft porn part, basically most of the lines

im not demanding that an overall point should be spoonfed to the reader, its like abstract expressionism without understanding the fundamentals of painting. if you view someones work whos ability is nothing more than lines,splatter and shapes, all you're gonna see is lines,shapes,splashes of paint in the guise that its suppose to be a representation. thats what im seeing in most of this song. its half-assed trying to actually say something

i dont want to bash too hard on the chili peppers because i like thier earlier albums and the lyrics were alot better before. so they got rich, became isolated from the real world, lost thier creative edge. blah blah blah
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Old 2006-04-23, 18:08
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You mean they sort of sold-out and died?

I think for the average listener what's said is understood basically, but I'm in the same mindframe as you. Some I get and some I don't. But I'm not crazy about the song anyways. It's one I usually change to something else when it's on the radio. I like some of their other stuff, lyrically and otherwise, better.

I think that's part of the magic of some lyrics though. Something you might not have understood when you were 15 makes a whole lot more sense just because of acquired knowledge later in life. Just for an example and not meaning anyone in particular.
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Old 2006-04-23, 19:50
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I didn't mean 'keeping' as in 'not throwing out' - though I wish more authors would burn or throw out what they discard - but in a sense more like 'using.' I takes a lot of writing to write well, and most of it won't be good. If you end up including the bad in your final product, you're a lazy and mediocre writer, at best.



Thats actually pretty well said. Kudos
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Old 2006-04-23, 22:01
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I don't want to say much about this, but I think you're looking at the references in 'Californication' from the wrong angle. Alderaan's a planet that exists only in (at the time the song was written) one movie and was created by some fairly cheap and simple special effects (i.e. 'in a Hollywood basement); it only existed in that movie to be destroyed. I think that gives you all you need to know. Most of the other things you've brought up are as simple. The Chili Peppers are not particularly intelligent writers and there's not much that can be gotten out of putting some weight on their lyrics.

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Old 2006-04-24, 16:40
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i dont like happy poetry, first off, because i cant write it very well. its a rare occassion that i pop out a poem with a positive message. i also dislike most bands lyrics, the few exceptions that come to mind right now are cradle of filth, opeth, the cure, the postal service, death cab for cutie, and bright eyes. as for what i like, i like sorrowful and introspective lyrics/poetry, but i like them to be unique. i also love vivid imagery, which is why cradle of filth's lyrics appeal to me so much, you guys may HATE the music, but the lyrics are orgasmic, IMO.
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Old 2006-04-26, 13:32
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my favorite lyrics

Opeth-To bid you farwell

I am awaiting the sunrise
Gazing modestly through the coldest morning
Once it came you lied
Embracing us over autumn's proud treetops

I stand motionless
In a parade of falling rain
Your voice I cannot hear
As I am falling again

Devotion eludes
And in sadness I lumber
In my own ashes I am standing without a soul
She wept and whispered: "I know..."

We walked into the night
Am I to bid you farewell?

Why can't you see that I try
When every tear I shed
Is for you?
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Old 2006-05-03, 20:02
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i also love vivid imagery, which is why cradle of filth's lyrics appeal to me so much, you guys may HATE the music, but the lyrics are orgasmic, IMO.

yes, they are probably my favorite lyrics of all. and at the same time i love the music, which easily brings me to say they are one of my favorite bands. though i am talking more of Dusk, Cruelty, and Midian. those three albums are pure magic .

bad:

-i hate emo lyrics that purposely use common situations such as: girl/boyfriend leaving/problems, being sad or feeling worthless. then a bunch of moron teenagers think the song is written just for them.

-i hate gore lyrics. talk about nonsense. when people use gore lyrics, i view it as a lack of effort and intelligence.

-and, as mentioned earlier, i hate lyrics that mean nothing, and are just a bunch of impressive or interesting words, and nothing else.
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Old 2006-05-04, 13:40
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2. Telegraphed rhymes and unnecesary rhyming.


holy crap yes, I hate songs like that. Luckily for us our singer is Asian and has bad grammar so the lyrics come out very unique and are in no danger of being called telegraphed.
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Old 2006-05-06, 07:34
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I have a reputation for using a lot of imagery in my songs. When I write it, the imagery actually introduces the main concept of the song if it is the first stanza of the piece or it is an introductory to another stanza. For example this stanza is an introductory to the next stanza and the whole song.

Shady winter sky-in the icy air
Beneath the glimmering stars
Gloomy night of the moon’s dim light
Rings with woeful melodies
Choirs of nocturnal creatures
Such beautiful grave symphonies
Divinely warm desires in ambient echoes
An igniting flame that flows through my veins

It is she Lilith that sounds the lyre
That shot the arrow
It smite my heart
An so my quest commence
To soothe the throbbing wound
This selfless love I must appease
For her witchcraft I am consumed

I have to admit though, sometimes I use too many plots.

I don't think I'm a good writer because I focus too much attention on the instrumental playing. Much more time is spent playing the instruments. I'm a more of a musician than a writer but I'm forced to write because no one else will do that for me in my songs.

Also most of my songs have an excessive amount of text because the song is long. A song that is 14 minutes will obviously have much more text than a song that is 4 minutes. My songs are usually very long in length so consequently it will have a lot of text.

Sometimes some of my lyrics seem to change ideas dramitically. It does that sometimes because my songs have two personalities with two different vocals. Like Yin and Yang. You have to listen to the song for that to be coherent.

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which is why cradle of filth's lyrics appeal to me so much, you guys may HATE the music, but the lyrics are orgasmic, IMO.


Talking about using big words, the lyrics for Cradle of Filth use the biggest, longest and a lot of times unnecessary words. Their lyrics are also extremely long and I don't know any band that writes longer songs.

One thing that irritates me in lyrics is when people and bands write plain gore lyrics. I don't see what the point is unless they like murder. For example Cannibal Corpse lyrics.

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Old 2006-05-06, 08:22
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Well, gore takes exceptional skill to pull off properly and it's so funnnn.
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As for gore lyrics, I think they usually lack in talent but make up for it in primitive creativity. It's kinda like a guy that can fire peas out of his nose across the entire gym floor. It's not so much that it's impressive on a deeper level, rather simply entertaining. Like growling. You don't have to hit notes like singers do, so the talent aspect isn't really in question. It's more about whether you can do it or not and how cool it sounds. Gore lyrics are the same. There's usually no intellectual skill required, but sweet fuck they're still amusing and fun. And one of the greatest things about it is that it's completely fantasy. There's no attempt at trying to make it realistic. As a matter of fact, a lot of times they go out of their way to make it over-the-top. It's practically cartoonish. So nobody can seriously say they're evil lyrics that put violent thoughts in peoples' minds. It's like an extremely bloody, gut-ripping version of Looney Toons. Just harmless, brainless (heheh, excuse the pun) fun.
But yeah, they do get old at times. Luckily most bands who use them vocalize in a way that you can't make out a goddamn word. So in the end it doesn't matter.
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Old 2006-05-06, 16:48
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As for gore lyrics, I think they usually lack in talent but make up for it in primitive creativity. It's kinda like a guy that can fire peas out of his nose across the entire gym floor. It's not so much that it's impressive on a deeper level, rather simply entertaining. Like growling. You don't have to hit notes like singers do, so the talent aspect isn't really in question. It's more about whether you can do it or not and how cool it sounds. Gore lyrics are the same. There's usually no intellectual skill required, but sweet fuck they're still amusing and fun. And one of the greatest things about it is that it's completely fantasy. There's no attempt at trying to make it realistic. As a matter of fact, a lot of times they go out of their way to make it over-the-top. It's practically cartoonish. So nobody can seriously say they're evil lyrics that put violent thoughts in peoples' minds. It's like an extremely bloody, gut-ripping version of Looney Toons. Just harmless, brainless (heheh, excuse the pun) fun.
But yeah, they do get old at times. Luckily most bands who use them vocalize in a way that you can't make out a goddamn word. So in the end it doesn't matter.



Actually you bring up some intresting points that are actually quite true. Gore lyrics completely dont' do anything for me at all. I'll hardly even read it just because to me its a waste of my time. But i can not deny the fact that it does use "primitive creativity" and the use of ... a non standard imagination. (i guess if thats more or less what i mean)

Just basically, that in a sense it has its own artistic value, and that can't be denied. Obviously comparing... lets say.. Melodic songs about... feelings and emotions can not be directly compared to gore lyrics. (At least measuring on the same scales) So therefore.. in my opinion, most.. of the regular judgements about gore lyrics are misplaced for what they are intended to do.
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Old 2006-05-07, 13:51
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Now I understand and see the creative side to gore lyrics. It is suppose to be entertaining like happy tree friends
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