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Old 2006-02-07, 17:10
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the 900's and 2000's have plenty of gain. the 800's don't.

you have to have them turned up past like 2-3 for the sound to open up.

didn't you just barely have a thread asking about the xxx v.s. 5150?
5150's and xxx's sound nothing alike in real life.


I've heard clips of the 5150 and I've played a Triple XXX several times recently. If you play with the EQ and gain on the Triple XXX enough it sounds very similar to the gain channels on the 5150.
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Old 2006-02-07, 23:57
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I've heard clips of the 5150 and I've played a Triple XXX several times recently. If you play with the EQ and gain on the Triple XXX enough it sounds very similar to the gain channels on the 5150.

that's like watching a porno and acting like you know what it's like to fuck co-ed kelly.
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Old 2006-02-08, 00:15
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that's like watching a porno and acting like you know what it's like to fuck co-ed kelly.

What do you think of the Engl E530 rack setup I have in mind? Could you point out some specific 2x12's and poweramps to go with it?
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Old 2006-02-12, 13:29
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just as long as its a decent 212 you should be fine, get a marshall 1936.
avatar cabs seem good and not too expensive.

apart from that 212's from decent companies are always good.
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Hmm I'm guessing I'll get a Genz Benz GFlex 2x12, they look nice and quite portable. Do they sound bassy or crystal clear? Middy-high clarity is all I want, but I need that punchy bass too for those chugs. :P The day I'll need even more headroom I'll invest in a 4x12 and have a 3/4 stack. Does that sound like a good idea? I don't need supermassive headroom at the moment, a 2x12 should be sufficient for band practice, recording and small gigs right?

I could actually buy the gear now if I wanted to, I have a fuckload of cash from college grants and loans but I want to wait and test out a few tube amps and cabs beforehand. I don't want to go crazy with cash right now, I just bought an EQ pedal, a Boss NS-2, some new pickups, a hardshell case, some tuners, clothes, some patches/stickers, books for college, clothes, concert tickets, I may be buying a new neck for my BCR, and a bunch of other small crap that is piling up. Lol, thank god for financial grants.

That sample on RockSolidAmps for the E570(A Suffocation clip), can the E530 pull off a similar sound? Anyone know of any sites that have high gain clips of the E530?

Reccomend 1 specific stereo poweramp to get. It must be compatible with 8 ohm stereo and 4ohm mono and have no more than 150W. It doesn't the affect the sound too much does it? Should I get a solid state poweramp cuz it won't require as much maintenence? Do they sound as good? 200$ is the max I'll spend on one. I just need just enough watts to push the GFlex cab.

By the way, do you know of any cases in which I could fit a rack setup and the G flex? I can't carry my guitar case, rack case, and GFlex all at once. :P
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Old 2006-02-12, 15:14
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haha no, the 530 certaintly cant get as brutal as the 570


however it can get fairly brutal though, and in a different way then the 570


ill have a 530 clip for you in a few hours maybe
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Old 2006-02-12, 16:00
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haha no, the 530 certaintly cant get as brutal as the 570


however it can get fairly brutal though, and in a different way then the 570


ill have a 530 clip for you in a few hours maybe

Thanks. I don't play insanely super gain all the time, but stuff like Nile, Decapitated and Vader is the kind of grind I wanna be able to acheive, maybe even a bit more at times(I use a X2N and ToneZone as bridge PU's). I also like some massive grind like Rotten Sound, Suffo and Nasum and shit. The 530 does have massive balls, right? Is it as brutal as a 5150? I love brutal sounds but I don't want to sacrifice versatility only for super brutal palm mutes. I'm fairly impressed with the lead and clean sounds it has, but I need to hear some more of the high gain rythm stuff it can do. I found one sample that was gradually increasing gain with the same riff played over and over. Was nice but I'm not sure if it can do more than that.

Does the poweramp allow you to acheive more gain, or does it rely solely on the preamp? Would using a E530 with a Maxon OD808 be a good idea? I certainly want that Suffocation sound in that 570 clip, if it can do that then I'll be quite pleased.

If you're recording something, let me know what settings you're using, like where the gain knob's at, what channel, EQ, pickups, tone wood, cab, etc. And do something with a lotta balls if you don't mind, cause that's exactly what I need to know it's capable of. Thanks a lot for the help.

Any other E530 owners are encouraged to share samples, please.
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Old 2006-02-12, 18:03
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Thanks. I don't play insanely super gain all the time, but stuff like Nile, Decapitated and Vader is the kind of grind I wanna be able to acheive, maybe even a bit more at times(I use a X2N and ToneZone as bridge PU's). I also like some massive grind like Rotten Sound, Suffo and Nasum and shit. The 530 does have massive balls, right? Is it as brutal as a 5150? I love brutal sounds but I don't want to sacrifice versatility only for super brutal palm mutes. I'm fairly impressed with the lead and clean sounds it has, but I need to hear some more of the high gain rythm stuff it can do. I found one sample that was gradually increasing gain with the same riff played over and over. Was nice but I'm not sure if it can do more than that.

Does the poweramp allow you to acheive more gain, or does it rely solely on the preamp? Would using a E530 with a Maxon OD808 be a good idea? I certainly want that Suffocation sound in that 570 clip, if it can do that then I'll be quite pleased.

If you're recording something, let me know what settings you're using, like where the gain knob's at, what channel, EQ, pickups, tone wood, cab, etc. And do something with a lotta balls if you don't mind, cause that's exactly what I need to know it's capable of. Thanks a lot for the help.

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it sounds way different then the 5150, alot less harsh
i have no idea what a boost pedal would make it sound like


ok i just did a really sloppy take of Kill your mother rape your dog by dying fetus with the gain around 5 with my jackson dk 2 with an emg 85 in the bridge (dont let the gain at 5 fool you, i had it up higher when i first plugged it in but it sounded abit too fuzy, so i clocked it down abit)
the eq i used when recording was a fair bit different then what i use when plugged into my poweramp and cab.
as for a cab, didnt use a cab, however i borrowed my friends V amp for cab simulation, and i also stuck my bbe sonic maximizer at the end off all.

ok well im uploading the file in you send it right now....
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Old 2006-02-12, 18:04
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EDIT: yes i know its very sloppy, i think my guitar out of tune

also, the 530 can sound a bit more nasty then this if you really want, but it gets way muddy if you turn the gain past 7ish
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Old 2006-02-12, 18:21
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Argh, that was a pretty bad sample. Well I won't judge the preamp on that, but it sure wasn't convincing. Thanks for the help though.
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Old 2006-02-12, 18:34
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Cool shit man. http://youtube.com/w/Dying-Fetus---...h=dying%20fetus
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Just hooked up my 5150 to my 1960a, sounds awesome. Has that nice smooth midrange grind w/ out the scooped tone.
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Old 2006-02-13, 01:13
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Just hooked up my 5150 to my 1960a, sounds awesome. Has that nice smooth midrange grind w/ out the scooped tone.

Cool. Do you think it would sound nice with a Genz-Benz G-Flex 2x12? And how much did you get your 1960a for? In 2 weeks or so(after midterms) I'll lug my axe to some guitar shops in NYC(got a list of like 5 to visit, so I'm doing it all in one day lol) and I'm going to try out whatever they have, but in particular the BV-120, 5150/6505, XXX, JCM900, and whatever others catch my attention.

I doubt they'll have anything from Madison, Framus, Engl, Splawn, etc. but I haven't played any high gain tube amps before, so it would be a good idea for me to test out as many as I can, as I don't even know what makes a tube amp sound like a tube amp. :P I know it's like more "organic" and "natural" with tube saturation and shit, but honestly I have no idea what it really sounds like in real life.
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Old 2006-02-13, 01:55
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Word, is that really DF or is it another band doing a cover?
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of course its dying fetus,

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Necrobutcher's clip was kind of muddy, but I believe the 530 can get extremely brutal.

mine's a little on the too bright sounding side so if you take the mean of necro's and my clips you'll have an idea of what the 530 can do...

If i had my setup at home (it's at my rehearsal space) I'd do more clips...maybe this weekend when my band and I start recording, i'll do a little seperate thing (my band's alt-rock, not BR00T4L METUHL at all) for ya.

I forget the settings on this clip, but I remember I boosted my treble and backed off my bass...probably not a good idea. I had it w/ a Peavey Classic 60/60 poweramp and Marshall 1960A cab, w/ shure sm-57 off-axis.

Pretty simple repetitive riffage.

http://s65.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=...AE02YYZRNHBRH9V

Also dont judge the ENGL via direct recordings....it SUCKS at direct recording, no matter how much shit you put in front of it.
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Necrobutcher's clip was kind of muddy, but I believe the 530 can get extremely brutal.

mine's a little on the too bright sounding side so if you take the mean of necro's and my clips you'll have an idea of what the 530 can do...

If i had my setup at home (it's at my rehearsal space) I'd do more clips...maybe this weekend when my band and I start recording, i'll do a little seperate thing (my band's alt-rock, not BR00T4L METUHL at all) for ya.

I forget the settings on this clip, but I remember I boosted my treble and backed off my bass...probably not a good idea. I had it w/ a Peavey Classic 60/60 poweramp and Marshall 1960A cab, w/ shure sm-57 off-axis.

Pretty simple repetitive riffage.

http://s65.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=...AE02YYZRNHBRH9V

Also dont judge the ENGL via direct recordings....it SUCKS at direct recording, no matter how much shit you put in front of it.


Wow, sounded fucking great. Thanks. Yeah I know direct recording sucks, every amp that has an out that I've tried for recording sounded like ass.
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