powersofterror alias pot.

That was pretty cool to parellel the octave with that Zen idea. I liked that.

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Tuning dictates sound much more than you're allowing, and until Werckmeister a lot of the available sounds weren't. I like the assumption that tuning and notation are stable, though.

What's a part of music, objectively speaking? All the notes and none of the notation. A lot of things that are precluded by the octave system and general music theory. All sorts of things, but the numbers we've assigned to intervals that exist in a form dictated by a system we've invented? No.

7 is Christian for Complete or perfect. Forgive your brother 77 times, created the world in 7 days. . . blah blah blah *cough* bullshit *cough*. So therefore 6 would be incomplete or imperfect, hence 666 would be imperfection to the 3rd degree(another biblical biggy number wise. . . )

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This is off topic, but I looked up sect and cult, I'm sure you can tell me the difference in a PM. From what I gather, a sect is the people/group, and the cult is the belief the sect belives? oh, I don't really know, so PM me about it to keep this out of the thread.

On topic......
I don't really understand the last sentence of this post I'm quoting......are you asking or telling? Are yoy saying that:
Who gives a shit about the ## that were given to each interval?

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hahaha.......

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About dimished fifth. It might look funny but there are relations to the Devil actually. In medieval ages this interval was called "Devil's Tritone" because of it's nasty and dissonant sound, but not because it contains 6 semitones I suppose. However this is interesting coincidence...

Well, since our modern musical systemwas written down by the church at that time, it is bound to have at least some theistic references in it.

Correct me if i'm wrong tough, i'm not exactly the expert

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Some of theory goes back to Greek and Roman times as well. When the Greeks in their observing ways thought that there was a kind of system to music. We have the modes of natural minor all named after places in Greece, or around. And they are ascribed with the basic A B C D E F G.

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That theory is very different than modern theory, though similar in theory. Since you don't mention the thing that makes it different, I'm assuming you didn't really investigate that hard. Which is totally cool. If you want to see to come off as enlightened because you can recognize patterns that correspond between various manmade organizing systems, feel free. L,B'XXX seems pleased as punch with you.

Look into tuning systems, starting with 'pure-toned' instruments, down through 'well-tempered' instruments, and to modern day experiments by avant-garde composers. Realize that notation is completely arbitrary, that we use the best system but certainly not the only or definitive one, and that patterns are bound to exist in things people made. That's the way our minds work. It's not a big deal unless you're unaware of the fact that humans seek out order in all things. They impose structure. And, yes, the Greeks' big contribution to the world is that very kind of imposed structure, which they used to organize and take credit for things inherited from the Persians, so no surprise that they 'deduced' music theory and have their names all over it.

This post will remain my solitary contribution to the Music Theory forum.



No.

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I've stayed out of this thread for a while to see how it progressed but I agree with PST. Speaking as a maths grad, looking for patterns in a man-made system (in this case numbers applied to intervals in music) and applying it to some credo of beliefs is akin to numerology.

If one looks hard enough at anything, one will find their very own enigma code to life - it's just a case of what one chooses to look at. Some people could come to the conclusion that every other 6,989th letter in the Bible spells "death to nu-metal0rz", but apply this to a translated Bible from Aramaic into English and it becomes "Jesus loves you, but everybody else thinks you're a cunt".

It's completely subjective and dependent on patterns contained within artificial systems created by man. This leads nicely to the crux of my point: only man could find God in something that man alone created.

It's been interesting, but I find that this topic has exhausted itself and I can only see the defending and re-defending of each other's viewpoints occurring if this thread were to stay open.

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