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Old 2005-11-14, 13:37
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So line6/Spider/Behringer definitely sucks?

blue voodoo and shockwave are pretty expensive.

for example...does this crate head suck? http://www.thomann.de/thoiw2_crate_...l_prodinfo.html

i mean, its kinda cheap!

or this hughes&kettner
http://www.thomann.de/thoiw2_artikel-173013.html

and this marshall:
http://www.thomann.de/thoiw2_marsha...p_prodinfo.html


thanks already
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Old 2005-11-14, 13:53
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So line6/Spider/Behringer definitely sucks?

blue voodoo and shockwave are pretty expensive.

for example...does this crate head suck? http://www.thomann.de/thoiw2_crate_...l_prodinfo.html

i mean, its kinda cheap!

or this hughes&kettner
http://www.thomann.de/thoiw2_artikel-173013.html

and this marshall:
http://www.thomann.de/thoiw2_marsha...p_prodinfo.html


thanks already



dude, schokwaves and blue voodoos aren't expensive. They can be had for 300 - 400 used

And I never played that crate nor the H&K head so no opinion on those.

But I did play the marshall. And I'm not a big fan of the mg series. But Maybe you like it. Just try one out
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Old 2005-11-14, 13:59
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Well, im from Austria, and in the austrian/german ebay I cant find any of these heads. And shipping from the USA is too expensive ofc. :/
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Old 2005-11-14, 14:24
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If you want something cheaper you could go for a POD or a GT-8 or something along those lines, get a power amp and a 2-12 or 4-12 cab and you'd be set.
Or right now I've got a Crate Powerblock and you can get that really cheap. $200-250 and it will probably sound alot better than what you have now.
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If you want something cheaper you could go for a POD or a GT-8 or something along those lines, get a power amp and a 2-12 or 4-12 cab and you'd be set.
Or right now I've got a Crate Powerblock and you can get that really cheap. $200-250 and it will probably sound alot better than what you have now.



Crate powerblocks sucks.
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So line6/Spider/Behringer definitely sucks?

blue voodoo and shockwave are pretty expensive.

for example...does this crate head suck? http://www.thomann.de/thoiw2_crate_...l_prodinfo.html

i mean, its kinda cheap!

or this hughes&kettner
http://www.thomann.de/thoiw2_artikel-173013.html

and this marshall:
http://www.thomann.de/thoiw2_marsha...p_prodinfo.html


thanks already



you picked probably the worst heads from each of those respective companies.
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Old 2005-11-14, 22:47
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you picked probably the worst heads from each of those respective companies.

Hahahahah I know haha.
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Old 2005-11-15, 09:25
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tho, they are the cheapest ones.
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Old 2005-11-15, 10:51
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400$ for a Blue Voodoo or a Shockwave is a great deal, especially considering how you're paying about 150$ more for that jump in quality. If you pay that much less for a Marshall MG you will regret it.


Way too many people strapped for cash are taking the easy way out and just ordering the cheapest thing with 100 watts that's new from Musician's Friend ... you can snag some old Crate s.s. or old Randall heads for around 200$ that perform beautifully, MUCH MUCH better than the new Crate GT120 ( that thing sounds awful, believe me. And separate EQ-for-each-channel MY ASS ). At the very least, get a Marshall 8100 !!!

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Old 2005-11-15, 11:06
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100 Watt are more than enough for a guitar amp.
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Old 2005-11-15, 11:35
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For a solid-state head of 100 watts, the vast majority ( especially those under 300$ new ) will sound like a giant piece of wet cardboard slapping against a fat person's belly with the master gain up past 5 when you palm mute.
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For a solid-state head of 100 watts, the vast majority ( especially those under 300$ new ) will sound like a giant piece of wet cardboard slapping against a fat person's belly with the master gain up past 5 when you palm mute.



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Old 2005-11-15, 14:13
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Seriously, what do you need a 300 Watt amp for?
Its just not necessary, in the practice room you canīt be that loud because of the drums and live everything is running over a PA in the end.
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Seriously, what do you need a 300 Watt amp for?
Its just not necessary, in the practice room you canīt be that loud because of the drums and live everything is running over a PA in the end.



But 300 watts provide way more headroom than a 100 watts. And your tone will have more clarity if I'm not mistaking
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Old 2005-11-15, 15:09
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You donīt have to push your 100 watt amp to its limits...it will be loud enough anyway...
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Old 2005-11-15, 15:16
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the advantage of 300w to 100w, (especially in the s.s. realm) is headroom. you can actually turn it up loud enough to jam with a drummer or play a show without getting shitty distortion from your power section.

the point of having 300w is to not use all of it.

i for one, could not get by with a 100w s.s. amp. the headroom isnt enough.

besides.. we can talk about watts all day. but you still have to step back and think... "how does it sound?"
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Old 2005-11-15, 15:17
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why dont you stick with what you have for a while and save your money to buy something nice, if you just do a half-ass upgrade now your just going to want to replace it in 6 months for something better. But hey, thats just my opinion.
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You donīt have to push your 100 watt amp to its limits...it will be loud enough anyway...


No, it won't.

Wait, it will, but it sounds like wet cardboard being slapped against a fat person.
It will be loud enough, but will sound terrible. And it does'nt matter if the tone sucks. I was going to mention WHY 300 watts of solid-state power is a must, but I thought that was basically a given, an issue of common sense.

The way solid-state amps sound, its akin to the way your computer runs : Better when you're using less and less of the hard drive's capacity, but when its almost entirely full, its very slow and unresponsive.

When s.s. amps are cranked beyond a threshold of what commonly seems to be 50% power, the sound starts distorting, and in a way that you did'nt intend. My Crate head runs 350 watts at 2 ohms, and with a unit like the Aphex Aural Exciter 204, I can keep the master volume on three and keep up with a very loud drummer with a score of china cymbals.


100 watts solid state is simply not enough, given the way they make them nowadays. It seems that the old Randalls that Dime used, the old Crate heads that Cannibal Corpse used, and the Ampeg VH-130/140 head that everyone is pining after now were made in such a way that they did'nt have this problem,
which I suppose has helped lead to the common misconception that that Marshall MG is going to hold it together at jamming volume.

The only surefire way to avoid speaker farting is to get a s.s. with tons of wattage, or get a tube amp.
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