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Old 2005-11-03, 16:17
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I think this thread was kinda a bad idea, not because what dead is saying has to be wrong ( I don`t really have an opinoin on this), but it was bound to piss so many people off, especially with that tittle.
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Old 2005-11-03, 16:29
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fuck. steve vai is and always will be my favorite guitarist. i dont give a shit if theres someone out there who can shred better or whateverthefuck. i love him for his talent not only in ripping the fuck outta his guitar, but for his songwriting and composing and overal musical ability. like take that francesco ferarri guy. he sucked balls cause he couldnt write shit but could shred. steve does both. all fucking hail steve vai. satch is pretty cool himself.

agreed. my fav vai song is liberty, whispering a prayer, fuck yourself(very funny), or the animal
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Old 2005-11-03, 16:33
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I wasnt talking style, dumbass. I was speaking simply in terms of popularity and blind love of the guitarists.

You clearly know nothing about music if you think Malmsteen's 3 string arpeggios and harmonic minor jerk-off fests are the same as Paganini, Bach, and Wieniawski. Congrats on not knowing what youre talking about!

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jesus i almost cryed reading that
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Old 2005-11-03, 17:15
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Old 2005-11-03, 22:18
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You are all brilliant.

I'm not talking about song writing cockbags because that is pointless. Judging song wrtiting is personal and varies from person to person. My point is that thoes people I listed are considered the end all be all of shredders. Count how many fucking times you have seen someone say something to teh effect of "OMG muhammed plays teh most tech sweeps ever, i dont know how he plays so clean!!!" When really it isnt all that hard to get good at sweping a minor arpeggio when you ahev been playinga decent amount of time. Or how many people hair Malmsteen as a guitar god. I'm talking sole technical ability because there is no accounting for taste. Obviously you are all missing that point since all I hear is "WAHHHH VAI CAN WRITE EMOTIONAL SONGS!". Maybe I think Vai can't write a song to save his life, but it doesnt matter because arguing about songwriting is dumb because of what I have said before, ther eis no accounting for taste.

Honestly if you can't grasp the idea that all I'm syaing is that the guitar players teh majority of people hail as super elite shredders would get bent over and sodomized by these guys.

And again, whatever dumb ass said something like "oh well you must be gay because you can't play as good as Malmsteen.", you're fucking stupid. Turn around and look up because the point of this thread went way over your head.

Hehe, whats funny is everyone is bitching about song writing when all the Marshall Harrison videos are classical pieces. Yesh, thoes guys couldnt write songs at all. Well I did learn something new today, guitar noodling = classical guitar.

Honestly, where the hell did I mention anything about them being better song writers?



1. How in any way does it show Marshall Harrison's ability to make a song by playing music that others have written that are advanced? The bitching of his song writing still stands since the song writing was done by brilliant composers who would think us idiots that this sort of shred you posted is anywhere near good music, not Marshall.

2. You actually can argue who is a better song writer. I think i have said this many times, but basically when you get advanced in music, (which many of us are not on a very high level if not none of us,) you can still not like a song but still know that it takes a very good song writer to write it. There are certain aspects of a song and songwriting techniques that can be employed in creative ways, and despite you not liking it at times, its still advanced and that person would be characterized as an accomplished song writer.

This, my friends, is why the most advanced music in the world is often under-appreciated. Ashlee Simpson is making money and Allan Holdsworth isn't. Pretty much everyone on this forum appreciates more advanced music cause you play an instrument, have some understanding of music, and have a aquired an ear for it. But even we are guilty of promoting low-level music with this shred stuff that you have posted.

PS If you say that these guys make Vai, Satch, Malmsteen, etc look gay, then why don't you specify and say "In technicality" and not stir up all this trouble? That is why you are the dumbass, not us.
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Old 2005-11-03, 22:44
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Exactly.



Santana is better than all.No matter how fast,bet you Adam Fullara wont play Europa as MEANINGFULLY as the man himself,or someone that dedicates to make guitar alive,not a diarrhea-speed thing.Its fun,but back to back,which is more meaningful????
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Old 2005-11-04, 15:20
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adam fulara is incredible i showed to a friend who plays piano and he was in complete awe. Easily one of the best tappers i have ever heard except maybe

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ok now eveyone STFU qwith the bullshit, its all opinion wise

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Old 2005-11-05, 05:32
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I wasnt talking style, dumbass. I was speaking simply in terms of popularity and blind love of the guitarists.

You clearly know nothing about music if you think Malmsteen's 3 string arpeggios and harmonic minor jerk-off fests are the same as Paganini, Bach, and Wieniawski. Congrats on not knowing what youre talking about!

lolololololololololoololololololololol

lol idiot. Yngwie plays classical scales, copying those of Paganini, yet you says he doesn't have a similar style? They're all boring as fuck, especially Marshall Harrison. There's a reason why he's only slightly famous through videos of himself playing at home on a website - because he is fucking copying already unexciting pieces.
Classical music is good, playing it on the guitar is not. I hate Vai and Satch, but I have alot more respect for them than Bumblefoot and Marshall Harrison. They are very overrated yes, but at least they write their own music and are developing new sounds, instead of duplicating ones that are hundreds of years old.
It's not fucking about the shredding, there's probably thousands better than the wankers you posted. It's about the writing and creativity on the guitar, and that is why Muhammed is respected on here as much as he is.
Congrats on being an arrogant little bitch that still hasn't grown out of the "speed = best" phase!

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Old 2005-11-05, 09:00
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I don't necessarily see how saying that those guitarists are homosexual is inferring all the points you have stated in your posts. Perhaps you should think about what you write before posting.

Even if you are talking about sole-technical ability, and the guitarists whom you showed us are more technically able than that of Vai and Satch, etc, you can't ignore altogether the musical side of the guitar because that's the sole purpose of being able to play that technically good; to be better at musical expression.

People don't hail them as 'super elite shredders', they hail them as technically able guitarists who can write amazingly (cept for Yngwie....haha ing-wee) and that is why they are so popular.

So what? They're faster and better at playing a guitar. I don't care one bit.
Just don't go calling them 'gay' cause there are more technically better guitarists than them. I'd rather listen to a beginner who writes brilliantly than a shredder who plays at at ten billion bpm.

And don't go telling me about your post being about technicality and not song-writing. If you're ignoring song writing then you don't know anything about music.
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Old 2005-11-05, 11:43
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I don't necessarily see how saying that those guitarists are homosexual is inferring all the points you have stated in your posts. Perhaps you should think about what you write before posting.
dude hes not callign they gay as in homosexual, geez are peeps around here rilli that stupid, gay is a term, if i would call a dog thats walking funny gay, does it mean hes homosexual?? NO... so there aaaahhhhhh y am i even responding, hes not talking to me

im starting to wonder y peeps are so damn serious around here??
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lol, not rilli, sometimes i just cant stand the bullshit post peeps make cuz they take the word gay to serious, or they take a simple opinioun to serious, its a goddamn forum. anyway
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lol idiot. Yngwie plays classical scales, copying those of Paganini, yet you says he doesn't have a similar style? They're all boring as fuck, especially Marshall Harrison. There's a reason why he's only slightly famous through videos of himself playing at home on a website - because he is fucking copying already unexciting pieces.
Classical music is good, playing it on the guitar is not. I hate Vai and Satch, but I have alot more respect for them than Bumblefoot and Marshall Harrison. They are very overrated yes, but at least they write their own music and are developing new sounds, instead of duplicating ones that are hundreds of years old.
It's not fucking about the shredding, there's probably thousands better than the wankers you posted. It's about the writing and creativity on the guitar, and that is why Muhammed is respected on here as much as he is.
Congrats on being an arrogant little bitch that still hasn't grown out of the "speed = best" phase!

lolololololololololoololololololololol



Again, good job on not knowing what youre talking about. Have you actually listened to Paganini? And From what I se, I'm not seeing much harmonic minor. But maybe I'm wrong, maybe you could point on specific scales and modes both Paganini and Malmsteen bopth use? Maybe some song examples but I guess I'm to stupid to see them.

But, than again the Locrian scale is used frequently in both Jazz and death metal, I guess they copy eachother right?

Now listen, I'm not syaing I don't enjoy great song writing, and I',m not syaing these guitarists are better OVERALL guitarists than alot of otehr stuff I listen to. what i'm syaing, for the 50th fucking time, is that people think the guys whos i mentioned are super tech shreddders, and they are NOT. THAT IS ALL I"M FUCKING SAYING. Yet you whinny fanboy bitches cry like girls with scrapped knees.

And Muhammed isnt creative. Knowing a minor arpeggio isnt fucking creative.



madtrixcerenzia, what the fuck are you rambling about? You qyoted a post where I kept trying to explain that this post isnt about song writing, so whatever, analyize song writing all you want I'M NOT FUCKING TALKING ABOUT IT HERE. Yet all of you retardeds are still saying "OMG VAI PLAYS WITH MORE ENMOTION AND WRITES BETTER SONG!" Maybe to you. Did you ever think different people get different things out of music?

One moe time, i'm going to say this: I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT MARSHALL HARRISON BEING A SUPERIOR SONG WRITER, YOU FAGGOTS.

Haha this thread is awesome.

Hey Unholy Walter, shut the fuck up. You managed to say the same thing as everybody else, good fucking job!
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I knew it'd be a matter of time before I responded to this thread.


DEAD does have a point ... in terms of being technically advanced, there are some players who wipe their asses with anything on G3.

Now my input : There are different kinds of virtuosos. There are the virtuosos who break ground in the area of technique and mental command of the instrument, they MIGHT be people who have endorsements from Ibanez and Marshall, they MIGHT NOT be. An example of someone like that, to me, is Stanley Jordan, or any of the guys DEAD posted, like Marshall Harrison. We're talking about guys who could play anything you put in front of them, REGARDLESS of the quality of the song, whether they wrote it or not, and that's what many of those sort of players live for, for pushing the boundaries of the instrument.

The OTHER kind, the "I'm good enough at my instrument to serve my songwriting, which is something to be said for in itself" virtuoso, are the sorts who appear regularly in guitar endorsements, like Eric Johnson, the late Dimebag Darrel, or a prime example, Karl Sanders/Toler Wade. Nile writes some incredible music, with very memorable riffs ( to keep DEAD from jumping on me, I'll say that Spawn Of Possession writes very clear, distinct, and very musical death metal which is very worthy of note ) that put the instrumental adepts that Sanders and Wade are on display, what with the knuckle twistings riffs and blazing solos : Its great music that has great guitar playing. Granted, its not Andres Segovia, but its still great music, with great guitar playing, couple that with stage presence and personal charisma, and you get a signature Dunlop cry baby pedal and a spot on G3, and maybe your own guitar clinic, and Allan Holdsworth still rips it up at jazz bars to small gatherings.


DEAD has listed, in my opinion, the first kind of virtuoso that I specified, and he's saying that at what they do, their playing denounces any standing that Vai/Satch/Malmsteen/Petrucci/Laiho whomever has as dominants in the field of technical wizardry. Which is fine : Vai is incredible at what he does, Marshall Harrison is incredible at what he does. They are two different kinds of guitar players, and hardly any of you are seeing eye to eye on what makes a great guitar player ( which is also fine ), and I think DEAD is enjoying that

You guys are thinking that DEAD is saying that the players he's listed here, that he puts them in the 'second' class of virtuosi that I specified. Which is'nt true ...


To reitterate : He's saying that in terms of speed, finesse, and mastery of instrument, there are guys way better than those in our favourite bands or whatnot, even the mighty Suicmez. True, they might not have as unique a voice, might never write a record that changes the face of music and/or guitar, and it might piss you off to be told that someone you admire is 'gay' ... but DEAD knows this And you're all biting his bait.

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Ok dude, i didnt bitch about song writing again, you just said "Marshall is playing songs that are well written" trying to say our bash of song writing ability was stupid. Did you not say that? well all i said in reply is how does someone playing a well made song by someone else make them a good song writer?????? Thats the way you put it across, now i am willing to say it just might be a mistake in how you phrased it.

Second, this is the thing that has gotten everyone in heat. It IS DEAD's fault. In the very first post, you said those people who are admired by alot of people were gay because these other guys exist. Then when people started saying all this stuff about song writing and reasons why they werent gay, you called us all dumbasses saying you meant in 'technique'. Well good job specifying that in the first post. Now that you have explained yourself better, people understand where you are coming from, but before you make a bold statement like you did, try to be a little more detailed.

PS Doesn't the ability to portray emotion/vibrato/dynamics all fall under the category of 'technique'? Maybe you should have said your first statement "These guys all make Vai/Satch/Malmsteen/etc. look gay in their ability to play fast and boring with little theory and emotion" Then all of us would probably say, "yes DEAD, I agree".
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hmmph, well if its a simply a matter of technique, i'm sure others could be found to trumph those four. Also, didn't just about EVERYONE know that there were people more technical then those four?
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I really agree with Dead here.

I think Marshall Harrison has some excellent technique, especially on the Weiniawski Paraphrase video. It actually inspired me to learn it. I've been playing it for about a year now, and am not quite as close as Marshall is.

Yngwie is the master appregio player, if guitars only had three strings.

Try this guy:

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http://www.rustycooley.com/videos/RustySolo8-1.wmv
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ive seen those rusty cooley vids before, he ok, i get kinda boring after seeing him play, although he does play amazing. i think at those speeds he plays everything gets so alike, but i have that with most shredders rilli, ahwell
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