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Old 2005-09-23, 19:05
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Weak Guitarists/Song writers

alright, so i realize this is going to get on a lot of people's nerves and might even offend someone, but ive been thinking the past few days and there are two lead players that are extremely self derivative and lacking creativity. chuck schuldiner (BLASPHEMY! but listen to his solos for christs sake) and trey azagoth. im sure there are tons more out there who you guys are sick of hearing the same lick over and over again from, so go ahead and list them
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Old 2005-09-23, 19:19
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I DONT KNOW ANY LOL. Kerry Kings writing was dull as FUCK. Hanneman brought the shit imo but lets not start.

Who else...hrmm. Im sure someone will come to mind. I cant think of anyone necessarily bad atm though.
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Old 2005-09-23, 19:29
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kerry king wasnt that good of a guitarist.. but a good songwriter.
um lemme think.. the guys from six feet under. haha but that doesnt count cause the band sucks.
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Old 2005-09-23, 20:34
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ah yes, the guitar player from slayer who does that one solo. you know the one.

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like angel of death

oh god, i forgot the grandaddy of them all. youre going to crucify me for this

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KARL SANDERS!!!!!!

holy crap he does that one bend at least 5 times an album
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Old 2005-09-23, 20:49
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KARL SANDERS!!!!!!

holy crap he does that one bend at least 5 times an album


haha ouch.

I don't really dig Hate eternal that much. Eric Rutan has good vocals but he writes some boring ass guitar riffs.
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Old 2005-09-23, 21:33
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yeah, rutans riffs are a lousy too. he uses that one 3-4-5 chord and thats his gimmick...nobody else can touch it
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Old 2005-09-23, 22:47
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All of this is kind of dumb. I agree with these, but (and it's a big but) that is the guitar player's style. It's how they play, so it's no wonder all their shit sounds the same. You could even say Muhommed (spelling??) of Necrophagist's songs are all alike (and they are) he's still good though.
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Yea,


Even COB's alexi laiho's songs all sound the same, sometimes I can't tell which song is which cause he uses alot of the same songwriting techniques, but he's fuckin badass, and I'm not saying his songwriting skills suck either, just monotomous in the fashion of nothing really diverse from each other.
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I hate this thread! Everyone stop bashing my favorite bands!
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ah yes, the guitar player from slayer who does that one solo. you know the one.

BWEEE,BWEEEEE

like angel of death

oh god, i forgot the grandaddy of them all. youre going to crucify me for this

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KARL SANDERS!!!!!!

holy crap he does that one bend at least 5 times an album


Get fucked! Karl has one of the tightest bending techiques in metal. Listen to the end of the solo in Unas for an example of supreme control and vibrato of bends. Let's put it this way, if I had his bending technique I'd crank it out at regular intervals as well.
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Old 2005-09-24, 07:41
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everyone-im DEFINITELY not saying these guys suck or are a sham. its just that they all have one or two gimmicks and stick to them. alexi ,too. and muhammed (but i cant ever tell christians from muhammeds anyways)
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(but i cant ever tell christians from muhammeds anyways)


Haha, good call! That's more of a testament as to how good a guitarist Christian is, though.

I knew that you weren't ragging on these guitarists and I see what you mean with the "sticking to the same tricks" thing. I believe that Karl varies it enough though, unlike Trey or Kerry who both have stock solos that they churn out in the absence of any genuine creativity.

I've said all along that some of Trey's solos are abhorrent. Don't get me wrong, he's written some of the best solos that I've ever heard (eg, Summoning Redemption) but when he's not inspired you can definitely tell that he's just going through the motions with his whammy bar and wha pedal.

Interesting thread, Sam.
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Old 2005-09-24, 10:03
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haha thanks. actually i love the karl bend, its just that it shows up soooooo much. sometimes i do it for fun on my own guitar but man, thats a string breaker if you arent careful
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yeah, rutans riffs are a lousy too. he uses that one 3-4-5 chord and thats his gimmick...nobody else can touch it


Listen to the band Alas...I got their CD on amazon for like $6 brand new and with a poster. Erik's riffs are still distinctly his style, but they are more interesting than those in Hate Eternal.
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im sorry trans, but i have to disagree on karl.
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im sorry trans, but i have to disagree on karl.


you didnt even read the thread, did you?
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I don't know. I like when a guitarst has something that sticks out or is different about him. Sort of like his finishing move or something.

I don't really think any guitarist is bad personally. I mean to each their own.
Sort of like um Steve Swanson from SFU (I KNOW I KNOW) but think about it people acuse them of being boring and having only a few riffs a song but look at Black Sabbath. They only had a few riffs and whatnot so what is the difference?

I even like those really slow, sludge bands like Winter or Coffins. The songs are like 10 minutes and the riffs and drumms just pound you slow insted of blasting you apart. They let each note ring just so you can absorb each attack. Like this shit is slow like a Mortician without the blast beats played by a turtle after smoking three garbage bags full of weed. I mean SLOW...but I love it. It gives a really creepy feeling.
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Malmsteen. His new album seems to be the same old shite again.

About the SFU guitarist, the riffs are simple and boring, but he's quite good (nice solo's, esp. on the Graveyard Classics). He just doesn't need all his skills for the band.
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