I agree.

Paul McCartney.



Jason Newsted ....


Carol Kaye .....


Christ Squire ...


Mike Watt ...


Bobby Vega ...


Steve Swallow ...


Joe Osborn ...


Lemmy ...

Tom Araya ?

A local bassist I know who can rip through any Cannibal Corpse song ( yes ANY ) with fingerstyle ( the three finger technique attributed to players such as Alex Webster and Billy Sheehan ), now prefers to play with a pick "for the attack". And no, he's never played guitar.

Or maybe I could learn from this logic you've posited ... Alright. Stanley Jordan, Jeff Beck, and Mark Knopfler are not real modern electric guitarists because they prefer not to use plectrums. Its all so clear now !

Koffin Kats?

finger playing rules

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First of all: Hahahahahahahahahahaha

Secondly, you can slam the hell out of guitar strings and still produce the right sound. Which is probably why Tulvox told you to get a new guitar, or at least a new pick attack. Go get the Music of Mass Destruction DVD and look at how Scott and Rob hit their strings during mosh riffs and repeat what you said about mash picking. It can be done. Just apparently not by you.

Thirdly, a lot of real bassists play pick. Cut out the close-minded circle-jerk.

Finaly: h, a, and other letters to that effect.

Of course you can technically mash pick, but what I dislike is the sound I get from it. It's not the 'right' sound, because I don't like it. Just because a shitty band like Anthrax does it, doesn't mean I like it. It doesn't satisfy me.

I didn't really expect this level of assholishness. It's reminiscent of low self-esteemed 15 year olds. I post some questions on a bass forum to try to understand a little about it and I get one idiot insulting me for suggesting the use of a pick, and another idiot laughing at me because I don't like the sound of mashing guitar strings. It's like recess time at a primary school.

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give me ur god damn lunch money

You need a good ass reaming. With a baseball bat wraped in barbed wire.

Why do you think your guitar makes that clanky sound? Because you play it like shit. Why do you think you can smash the hell out of your strings and still expect it to sound good? And more importantly, why do you expect a bass to sound good played like that? Assfuck.

And at John Holland, apart from Stu Hamm, none of those bassist are remotly interesting. (Ha, and you didn't even mention Stu Hamm)

Also, PST, there may be a lot of pick guitarists, but none of them are innovative. (With the above exception) They just follow what the guitar plays.

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I truly am primarily a guitarist. . . but whenever I play bass I love using my fingers. . . whenever I took a bassist under my wing he got a little bit intimidated because I tend to Martin Mendez the mother fucker(yeah, Martin is the guy from Opeth). Anyways, neither way is picking truly cool. . . I do a lot of fingerstyle on regular guitar and I do a lot of fingerstyle on bass. . . but I use pick on both just the same. . . . just whatever compliments the mood already given by the music itself. . . . I mean if I'm doing something that I'm wanting a jazzy type feel or a heavy(metal) jazzy type feel I use finger style. . . . but if I am doing something heavy type feel. . . . .all around I use pick. . . . on bass I do prefer a lot of fingerpicking. . . . on guitar I prefer using a pick maybe I'm just weird and maybe it is hard to explain but eh, I love playing and experimenting so I just go for what sounds the best to me.

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I meant you could do it without it sounding bad. There are a lot of examples of this, one of them being the one I cited. If you had listened to it instead of saying 'WAH! ANTHRAX SUCKS!', maybe you would've heard that they mash and it sounds fine. So, again, the problem is your technique, not the technique. If you think I'm saying that because I'm a 15 year old with self-esteem problems that's certainly your prerogative, but in reality I'm saying it because it's the truth. If it can be done, but you can't do it, it's your own fault.

Paul McCartney changed the face of rock bass. Anybody who fails to appreciate that's got a problem, and anybody who doesn't consider that 'changing the face of rock bass' innovative needs a reality check. Also, he mentioned Chris Squire. Do you not know who that is? Have you heard bassists before the 80's?

Most guitarists are pick guitarists. And there are plenty of innovative pick bassists, though I'll admit that for the most part the best are top tier but don't change the face of the instrument. But that's also true of most fingerstyle bassists, so I don't really care. A good bassist is a good bassist, regardless of whether or not he uses his fingers. There are plenty of good examples of great, innovative pick bassists, and you're shutting them out by your prejudices. Which is your right I suppose, but I don't see the point of it. Good's good.

Chris Squire is'nt interesting

I'm sorry, but Tool? Seriously.
Plus, Stu Hamm counts as more than one person.

The guitar makes the clanky sound because I choose to pick it that hard and with low action. I don't 'smash' the strings, I just pick them harder. I can play normally, but the sound doesn't satisfy me, which is why I tried picking the strings harder.

I 'expect' a bass to sound good with harder picking because it just does. I've heard many recordings where the clankiness is desired, where picking softly and plucking hard makes a difference. I've heard other techniques that are used with bass, that just doesn't work with guitar. I would like to try these out.

To me, the bass seems like the meat of the songs I've been playing, and the guitar is just the icing on the cake.



'sounding bad' and 'sounding good' is subjective.

If you hadn't posted childish, disrespectful, inflamatory crap like you did, I wouldn't have posted 'anthrax sucks'. A simple, respectful answer would have been enough. But instead, you laughed at me and treated me like shit - this is why I said you're behaving like a 15-year old with low self esteem. Not because you said mashing could be done.

The mashing sounds fine for their style, for their music, but that doesn't mean I will be satisfied with it. Anthrax doesn't have the same aesthetics as death or black metal. When I do it, I don't notice enough of a change to the sound, and when I pluck harder, then it just becomes undesirable. As I said, it doesn't satisfy me. I thought maybe bass would.

I now understand why this forum is so inactive.

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Childish? Disrespectful? The laughing wasn't directed towards you. The laughing was directed at the mod who had bothered to delete a post I had made that was completely reproduced in another poster's quotation. Only the paragraph beginning with 'secondly' was directed at you. Nice try, though. By the way, an indication of self-esteem problems is assuming people are directing their jeers and insults at you when they aren't.

And by 'sounding bad,' I mean 'producing the rattling, out of tune noise you were complaining about.' That's not subjective. It has nothing to do with the style, it has everything to do with whether or not they're capable of doing exactly what you're talking about (including the whole 'translating the aggression' bit) without knocking the strings around. So calm down and either practice or give it up. It can be done, so if you can't do it, that means the problem's with you. Again. If you want to insist that it can't be done because death metal's so different, fine, but I'll still say that it can be done, just not by you.

Now, I'll expect your apology whenever you feel up to it.

A good finger guitarist/bassist tends to make girls happier though.

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Right, due to the similarities between a bass/guitar string and the clitoris. Wait...

I was just refering to the motions and movements which exercise those tendons and shit. . . not what you are touching. . . .(for bass) the big round long snakish thing. . . . Yeah, not quite female genitalia and if it is. .. you are dating/doing the wrong "women."

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once again if u want to get angry with ur guitar, start playing flamencio

u took my line.

You're very quick, blissy. In general, a good fingerstyle bassist/guitarist will make a girl frustrated with his arrogance and not happy with his calloused, string instument-attuned fingers. It's a stupid line and a stupid joke. But keep on with it.