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Old 2005-05-02, 23:43
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I see the light! r.e. The Conversion Disc...

...So, another day, another woman. This one I like about 50,004 times more than the last one (don't ask) but there's one little problem - her sum total experience with heavy music consists of seeing me sing death metal songs. This is not so bad, but it gives me an idea...

We all know songs from bands that everyone knows are blisteringly heavy. WE know how they sound, and why it's so darn corn-poppingly great. HOWEVER! Most of this stuff sounds like gibberish to Yer Average. But! Amongst all this angrypants music are genuinely good songs - undeniably heavy without being face-melting, well-composed, skillful, soulful and easily approached.

These are the ones I want your opinion on. I need to make a "Why you should listen to heavy metal" disc which rules over all possible others. Might try to narrow it down to about 10-12 tracks.

Pantera's 10's sticks in my head as just about perfect. In fact, all the mellow stuff off Trendkill is perfect. Other bands that immediately stick out as having track possibilites:

Black Label Society
Sabbath
Death
Devin Townsend
Down
Dream Theater
Evergrey
Hypocrisy
In Flames
Katatonia
Nevermore
Opeth
Symphony X
Testament
Type O -
Waylander

So, help out, cunts. Bear in mind also this could prove significantly useful to many of you. Think of this as a collective love project. Aww.
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Old 2005-05-02, 23:59
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I've tried this before and only had a little success, but to your list I'd add Iron Maiden during their Bruce/Adrian period, the very best of Priest, Metallica at their most epic (I don't know why, but this for some reason works quite well), and probably something like CoC ever since Pepper joined, which is not so far off rock as to be unrecognizable. Plus it rules. Especially their latest. A lot of fame-era Pantera's reasonably accessible, especially before FBD. I haven't listened to it for a while, but I think Countdown to Extinction goes pretty damn easy on the ears even if you're not too used to this metal thing. That's about all that comes off the top of my head. If I get more, I'll be back.
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Old 2005-05-03, 00:07
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....but I think Countdown to Extinction goes pretty damn easy on the ears....

Nice example...

For myself I'd simply say Type O has an effect indescribable in words.
Type O also varies greatly from the other bands listed IMO on the mood it puts ones self in.
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Old 2005-05-03, 00:20
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For myself I'd simply say Type O has an effect indescribable in words.
Type O also varies greatly from the other bands listed IMO on the mood it puts ones self in.


Stop trying to talk like that. You're not intelligent, and it shows quite clearly in your attempts to lie to us. I don't like being lied to, and your whole attempt to sound like anything more than an ugly, fat, slimy primate is one big disgusting lie.
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Old 2005-05-03, 00:44
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My opinion on this may no longer count, as I have drifted to far into abhorently excessive listening to grind, but from memory of all those years ago, you could go with some of the softer songs by Morbid Angel (specifically something like God Of Emptiness) and some Obituary. I love Obituary.
'Melodic' Metal is always good for getting people hooked too, as they can not easily pass it up straight away as shit, like people do with death metal. Something like Earth (Aus) (The song 'The Undead' is quite catchy) or Gardenian ('Selfproclaimed Messiah' is quite good) if you are after In Flames make sure its something mid range, like 'Jotun'.

I Think the main goal to get people into metal is to get them used to more harsh vocals, since peole tollerate all sorts of 'heavy' music in modern pop-culture. So why not tack on something simple like Blood Duster. Their newer stuff is awfully rocky, but still maintains deep vocals, so that should be somewhat of a smooth transition.
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Old 2005-05-03, 00:50
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Now, now, play nice if you're not going to add anything of substance to the thread. Remember, this isn't some stupid thread about whether or not we like emo started by an unreflexive newbie, which we could run off topic as much as we please, this is a genuine thread started by Jim, so kindly suggest something for his 'Conversion Disc' or keep your shit in the RTT. I don't give a shit who you like or dislike, just keep the flaming within the acceptible boundaries and chances are I won't even see and be annoyed by it. Though, of course, if you both flame and act helpfully, I have no complaints.

Incidentally, almost everybody here lies and tries to come off as intelligent, or clever, or tough, or funny, or whatever. If you're going to be consistent in calling people on that, you're gonna have a hell of a time on your hands. It's an annoying board home to many unpleasant people; if you don't accept that as one of the ground rules your time here will be very unhappy. I don't care if you want to insult Bia - I'm certainly not doing this to defend her - but what you're accusing her of is pretty pandemic 'round here. So chill.

Iced Earth can be pretty catchy/accessible, but really you should be trying to keep people away from them rather than introducing them. Control Denied might serve as a decent replacement for Nevermore, since Warrell Dane, much as I love the man, is a very difficult vocalist to get used to. Something like Graveflower by Acid Bath is pretty accessible, as is about half of Paegan Terrorism Tactics. It also rules.
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Old 2005-05-03, 00:58
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I've converted people with stuff off Ride the Lightning and Powerslave in the past. One particular song that always gets people is the instrumental Cremation off of King Diamond's Conspiracy album. Of course once the King starts singing all bets are off. Another one (and my personal favorite) is The Sails of Charon by the Scorpions from back when they didn't suck balls.

I'm drawing a blank now. I've almost entirely forgotten what it's like to not understand all this crazy metal.
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I just gazed over towards my old CD rack, and low and behold I was struck with an idea. This verges on nu-metal, but I think that old Fear Factory and Machine Head stuff is quite good still and borderlines on metal. Say for example, something like Replica by Fear Factory and Davidian by Machine Head.
I'm not sure how you envisiage this conversion disc to happen though. The idea that I have in my head, is it starts of as something somewhat easy on the ears, then works its way up to more and more 'extreme' (or tr00 neKr0 kVlt if that makes more sense ) as the disc goes along.

As always fbs, I would like to know your refined list at the end too.
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I noticed alot of my friends who don't listen to metal like "Quo Vadis - I Believe".
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arch enemy, most songs from wages of sin. they seem to have fast heavy, and extremely likeable songs.


the first track should be the heaviest loudest fastest nastiest most unpleasant assault on the ears you can find. then the 2nd track can be anything with a tune and your subject will like it and be thankful it isn't track 1.

i did this to somone I know, but they listened to soil very early on in their conversion and then never again. now they think that soil is heavier than most (non deathmetal) bands you can think of.
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Old 2005-05-03, 05:20
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I make my average friends listen to Cannibal Corpse and Spawn of Possession. On the other hand, you should show her:
Death-- anything from SOP.
Sepultura-- Kiowas, Inquisition Symphony
Pantera-- This Love, Cemetery Gates
Any Iron Maiden
Any Iced Earth
Children of Bodom-- Wrath Within, Children of Bodom
Any Helloween
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Slayer-- South of Heaven, Tormentor
Maybe Dream Theater...like Change of Seasons
Dimmu Borgir-- Raabjorn Speiler Draugheimens Skodde (questionable)
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Old 2005-05-03, 05:28
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Seasons in the abyss by slayer!!!!

erm Any power metalis good (dragonForce, Rhapsody etc.) erm lots of old school classic metal stuff, not too many tracks with extreme vocals, I find for most people that is the biggest turn off, not hearing the words or lyrics, or not hearing a voice as such (eg dinging notes rather than growling) Probably an opeth track or 2 I would suggest one from any album, and one from damnation (okay its not metal, but its fucking awesome)

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Old 2005-05-03, 05:52
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Some darkane as the perfect mix between brutal and melodic
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Stop trying to talk like that. You're not intelligent, and it shows quite clearly in your attempts to lie to us. I don't like being lied to, and your whole attempt to sound like anything more than an ugly, fat, slimy primate is one big disgusting lie.


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Jesus Fart-Pilfering Christ, is this at all necessary???

Some really solid suggestions so far, for which I am grateful. Ideas are forming.

[Doc, Darkane is just too damn aggressive - that, and the music just isn't that good. Won't do.]
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My Suggestions...

-Pain of Salvation
-Dark Suns
-Perhaps some Farmakon since they have those jazzy/blusy interludes
-Catchy In Flames stuff (particularly from the Clayman era)
-Agalloch
-Woods of Ypres
-New Suidakra?
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I know ya'll hate power metal, but some Angra would do nice. And Blind Guardian, perhaps something from "Nightfall". I've got to second the Iced Earth suggestion, and also say that Dark Tranquillity might get the juices flowing.
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Try out 'Leviathan' by Akercocke, it has sung vocals as well as gutteral and it's just a great song.

I find that Fear Factory are a great band if you want somebody to progress to and actually like heavier music. Start off with something like 'Descent' and work back through the albums to incorporate 'Replica', 'Zero Signal' and 'Scumgrief'. Before you know it she'll be on to the likes of 'Leechmistress' and 'Lifeblind' which are straight up death metal. Then she'll be gasping for, "More of those whatsi'calleds... blast beats!".

Also try 'Realms Of Reverie" by Martyr. The main motif is top notch, memorable and exceptionally hummable, but the song is itself rather complex. But due to that main theme this will be in the back of her mind and she'll love it.

I'm trying to keep it heavy (ie, er, 'nice' death metal) but the old classics are great, too. Give her a listen to some older Metallica such as 'Fade To Black' and 'Sanitarium' and maybe even some Megadeth with the likes of 'Lucretia' and 'Hangar 18'.

There's quite a bit there but I'd definitely get her hooked on latter day Fear Factory and gradually work backwards to Soul Of The New Machine. I suppose you could even get hold of some of the remixes from Remanufacture or Fear Is The Mindkiller to emphasize how basically music is music and the only difference is tempo, growling and a little (!) distortion.

Hope that helps, me old cobbler.
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Metallica- One (there are 3 people on the entire planet that don't like this song)
Metallica- Wherever I May Roam or Sad But True
Megadeth- Symphony of Destruction
Megadeth- Trust
Anthrax- Among the Living, One World, or Efilnikufesin (NFL)
Anthrax- Lone Justice, Madhouse, or Medusa
Exodus- Deliver Us to Evil or Bonded by Blood
Exodus- Fabulous Disaster
Testament- Practice What You Preach, Blessed in Contempt, or Nightmare
Testament- Absence of Light, Love to Hate, or One Man's Fate
Slayer- South of Heaven
Slayer- Seasons in the Abyss (especially if you have the flute version)
Sepultura- Refuse/Resist
Black Sabbath- Paranoid or Iron Man
Black Sabbath- Sweet Leaf
Ozzy Osbourne- Crazy Train (See Metallica- One)
Ozzy Osbourne- Flying High Again
Pantera- A New Level, This Love, or, even though I can no longer stand this song through repetition, Walk
Pantera- Shedding Skin or I'm Broken

Anthrax's Among the Living and Slayer's South of Heaven were albums I bought the same day, listened to the same day, and the albums that without question turned me onto hardcore metal. So, you might want to squeeze some Anthrax songs on there. Cannibal Corpse grabs a lot of crossover, too, especially on Tomb, Vile, Gallery and the latest album. The song "Nothing Left to Mutilate" has a lot of crossover potential, so I'd probably stick that on there. Also, Deicide's "Sacrificial Suicide" (the redone version on Amon, not the original) was the first death metal I ever heard and the reason I listen to death metal today. I can't honestly say there's a lot of crossover potential there, but it hooked me before I was into this type of stuff.

Metallica, Megadeth, and Black Sabbath were my gateway to metal. Anthrax and Slayer were my gateway to hardcore stuff. Deicide and Cannibal Corpse were my gateway into underground stuff. So I'd probably represent these bands at least once. You also need to get some Iron Maiden and Judas Priest on there as well, but you're probably familiar enough with those bands to figure it out yourself.

I'd also suggest putting on some heavy 70's stuff that was once considered metal, but today is largely considered hard rock. Stuff like Ted Nugent. Make sure you get some Led Zeppelin on there, popular stuff like "Immigrant Song" and such.
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If you're gonna talk 70's metal, 2 that come to my old mind as heavier are "21st Century Schizoid Man" by King Crimson and "Helter Skelter" by the Beatles. KC kicks ass for edginess on that song. Beatles just for the attitude and drone in the song.

But from some of the bands you mentioned in the first post, knowing Sabbath could go from "Fluff" to "Crazy Train" sold me on them. Maybe what you should consider is doing a more extreme metal compiliation with the more 'noisy' stuff and also one with the more melodic songs to show it isn't just noise. And throw in "Drum Check" by Morbid Angel just to show what a passionate drummer can do. "Desolate Ways" and odds an ends from your line-up. Might be a nice 'romantic' touch, too.

Is she into playing any instruments or anything? That helps greatly in appreciation. Or does she write lyrics? Death has some great ones as does Opeth. I try to encompass all aspects at some point when I start getting into a particular type music including the why's if there's a story behind a song.
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