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Old 2005-05-26, 21:00
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Old 2005-05-26, 21:50
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ERG, Four part vocal tone(SATB) talk about a headache and a half.

with smooth voice leading?
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Old 2005-05-27, 06:59
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Too bad I can't figure out how to fix the scanner, or else I'd scan in a couple of my theory assignments....it wouldn't do much anyways cause they're not 100 percent.
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Old 2005-06-26, 01:16
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Western music notation started with the Gregorian chart. It was notated in fairly inaccurate lines, dashes & squiggles called neumes. They were really only useful for brushing up and remembering already learned songs.
After tyhat, Guido Monaco used a thin red line to notate music more accurately, and added other lines to make it even more so. This is the beginning of music notation. It develpoed from those roots.
Also, scales were not known of in those times-everything was modal.
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Old 2005-06-27, 23:44
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The general term "western music" applies to the United States, and that is not how our music started.
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Old 2005-07-13, 00:22
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No. European music.
The world does not revolve soloely around the USA, you know.
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Old 2005-07-29, 22:10
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History of music and theory

I sometimes try to imagine what it would be like to live during the times when it was still fascinating to people that you could create sound by plucking a tensioned string. I wonder how long it was before more order was brought to sound by people like Ptolemy (Just Intonation) and Pythagoras (Pythagorean tuning). I think there might have been along period of time where each musician had his own scheme of intonation and concept of what sounds played in sequence or together made up something that was "good".

I also wonder why I prefer to listen to classical rock rather than classical music? I like both, but still prefer Beatles to Bach. Why don't I like 40's style music? I started to like the song "I've got Rhythm" after I read kept hearing about the chord progression known as "Rhythm Changes" and started listening to alot of jazz that was supposed to be using that progression.

I would like to think that there is a perfect system of music that could encapsulate all the different types of "popular" music and explain why its good. But I wonder if its just conditioning. After all people do like punk rock

I appreciate the many theorist who came up with all the scales and terms but in the back of my mind I always think of what John Lennon said "who wants to talk about music? talking about music is like talking about f...ng." He did go on to say "well maybe some people like talking about that " John described one highly credentialed and respected theorist as a "twit" and this guy was giving high praise to the music of the beatles and describing it using music theory terms like "Aeolian cadence"... John said, he had no idea what the guy was talking about.

I like to think I am more like Paul McCartney and have a respect for music theory and ideas of sound.. At the same time I think you can grow up in the house of a theorist, never learn the theory, but still absorb the ideas and produce results that amaze the experts and expand their domain of study.
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What a broad topic to talk about in one thread...

Anyway, on the origin of modes; If you look at the names of the modes it gives you hints at where they came from. Can you guess what group of people were the first to use the Ionian mode? If you said "hmmm...The Ionians?" You are absolutely correct. As the Ionians traveled around playing their instruments, other civilizations would pick up the jist of things and add their own little "flavor" to their scales. The most integral modal group was probably the Lydians though (hmmm, perhaps what the Lydian Mode is named after?). The Lydians were the first group of people on earth to use coined currency, an enormous advancement. So their trade was booming (thanks also to a special snail dye production by the Phoenicians). The Lydians traveled far and wide spreading their Lydian and Mixolydian modes (and also modes they'd learned from earlier people). This led other groups to explore instruments and create "flavors" of their own. (btw this was all happening even before Roman times).
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Old 2005-08-01, 17:03
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Thumbs up Ionian and Aeolian Modes are of Greek Origin

Excerpt from "History of the Modes"

"History of The early music of Greek antiquity referred to scales in the context of scalar modes. The modes are named after cities that preferred a given mode in times past. The Greek philosopher Plato felt that playing music in a particular mode would incline one towards specific behavior associated with that mode, and suggested that soldiers should listen to music in dorian mode to help make them stronger, but avoid music in lydian mode, for fear of being softened. There is a common misconception that the Church modes of medieval European music were directly descended from this notion of modality. In fact, the church modes originated in the 10th century. Authors from that period misinterpreted a text by Boethius, a scholar from the 6th century who had translated the Greek musical theory into Latin. In the 16th century, the Swiss theorist Henricus Glareanus published Dodekachordon, in which he solidified the concept of the church modes, and added four additional modes: the Aeolian, Hypoaeolian, Ionian, and Hypoionian. Thus, the names of the modes used today do not actually reflect those used by the Greeks."

In other words, the Modes are of Greek origin.
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Old 2005-08-01, 19:21
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Excerpt from "History of the Modes"

"History of The early music of Greek antiquity referred to scales in the context of scalar modes. The modes are named after cities that preferred a given mode in times past. The Greek philosopher Plato felt that playing music in a particular mode would incline one towards specific behavior associated with that mode, and suggested that soldiers should listen to music in dorian mode to help make them stronger, but avoid music in lydian mode, for fear of being softened. There is a common misconception that the Church modes of medieval European music were directly descended from this notion of modality. In fact, the church modes originated in the 10th century. Authors from that period misinterpreted a text by Boethius, a scholar from the 6th century who had translated the Greek musical theory into Latin. In the 16th century, the Swiss theorist Henricus Glareanus published Dodekachordon, in which he solidified the concept of the church modes, and added four additional modes: the Aeolian, Hypoaeolian, Ionian, and Hypoionian. Thus, the names of the modes used today do not actually reflect those used by the Greeks."

In other words, the Modes are of Greek origin.
This is Historical Fact.

Go here to see the factual source.




The Greeks didn't develop the modes. They even came before the Greek Empire.
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Old 2005-08-01, 20:15
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I just know that the harpercollins college outline refers to the greek names for the modes as Medieval church modes and I know that the names are greek but I am just as sure that the modes developed before the greek empire but if wrong I don't care all that really ends up mattering is the here and the now. Wow, do I sound arrogant or what?
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Old 2005-08-01, 22:20
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The Greeks didn't develop the modes. They even came before the Greek Empire.

Can you say when then; and who--the first known human civilization on the face of the earth? Yeah right....they didn't last very long anyways--and it most likely takes a type of kingdom to have official music, so if at all possible the first noted music might have been like 2000 B.C. during the first Sumerian dynasty. I really doubt that, since that time just about only metal was known enough to hurt other humans for conquering. I tell you what, if I was alive at that time, I'd rather have a sword in my hand that an instrument. Greece was probably the first 'real empire' to ever think of official music cause they lasted the longest time. .....

In addition to that, ......
----->@DarkLegion--
(You're probably the first one to have info from a website--however trusting--yet you've got the meaning behind it stupified, not that it's a very bad thing...Wow, I never thought I'd be able to use that word.)

...That text you copied from the site [I think] means that our modern day "modes" were conceived from Roman/Euopean music. Yes, that article says it was derived from the greeks inot Roman literature, but it was only translated, it's not presicely taken from, (just like when languages are translated into English--they sound like a child wrote the sentence when in the original language it's actually quite significant wording) so there are always misleading information.

The greeks may have done the first modes (and I'm not saying this is fact but it's of course one way of thinking the history), but after translating them into Roman lit, and not anymore--technically our North American music is coming precisely from Roman thought, not greek.

Some good irrelevent information: Greeks were more democratic, as you can see in their statues, they're men/women are always standing straight up or something very mellow dramatic. On the other hand, all Roman statues tend to be flambouyant with......let's say the man holding the globe in his hands, or a guy reaching his arm toward the heavens whose face is perfect to the thousandth of an inch. For this itself, the Romans may have been more music-loving. But I guess that probably doesn't have anything to do with anything.....

Jesus, I drank two cans of beer while writing this....
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Old 2005-08-09, 15:28
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whoever mentiond the greeks, was on the right track, because in acient greece.
dorian, lydian, pyrgian, aeolin was provinces of greece.
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