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Old 2005-02-21, 16:40
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Its the truth.. they have a low signal and the preamp boost it. Thats why their clear and not muddy (I dunno what the hell happed to the 707 though.. but it is modeled after the 85, which is supposed to be a neck pickup)

Not rocket science, but the pickups themselves arent hot.. after you add the preamp they are. How someone could see that as a negative point is beyond me.

you're missing the point... you make it sound like it's a bad thing for them to be low output, and needing a preamp to boost them.

when people say an emg is hot.. they don't care about the science or anything... they just careabout it sounding hot.. and emg's do.

so it doenst make much sense as to why you'd even bring it up.

in the end emg's "sound" very high output, clear, tight and quiet.
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Old 2005-02-21, 16:45
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Just trying to spread the facts... Unless people dont want to know how an EMG works.

But yeh, EMG's are tight and quiet (even thought My Dimarzio's are quieter due to some extensive grounding) and very clear.

I just dont dig the tone.. even thought I'll probably be buying a 81-7 to put in the bridge of my backup 7 string to replace that horrid 707.. I might pop the 707 in the neck, not sure.

Now that the guitar has been butchered in order to fit those EMG's in it I might as well keep the hideous routes hidden under the pickguard.
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Old 2005-02-21, 18:22
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I like Dimarzios, although I might be putting EMG into whatever my next guitar is.
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Old 2005-02-21, 19:23
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in the end emg's "sound" very high output, clear, tight and quiet.



But they're using a preamp, so they're cheating
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Old 2005-02-21, 20:55
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Old 2005-02-21, 21:48
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wow... is BLS about to defend EMGs?
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Old 2005-02-21, 21:51
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No, but idiots take my words out of context.. then say stupid things.

But using a preamp to boost a low signal isent cheating.. an amp does the same thing. Guess we all cheat!
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Old 2005-02-21, 22:00
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am i he only one here who saw the sarcasm in johm holland?

i'm just saying that emg's are considered hot pickups. have your fit about them not being, but that's what they're considered because that's how they sound. that's all there is to it.

and when bls posts his random and irrelivant trivia about how they arent hot, but really low output boosted by preamping, it confuses people and makes it sound like he's saying they're weak..
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Old 2005-02-21, 22:06
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That's their own stupidity for interpreting things that way, I cant be held responsible for their intelligence level.
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am i the only one here who saw the sarcasm in john holland?


I hope not.

It is silly to question the integrity of an active pickup ... just because its active. Whether or not the ceramic coils in the pickups themselves are wound hot, or not, does not make a difference. Clearly, it does'nt, otherwise EMG's would'nt have such a reputation for being so conducive to artificial harmonics, and having 'hot' characteristics. They do have that reputation, and for good reason. That's the bottom line.
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Old 2005-02-22, 00:07
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That's their own stupidity for interpreting things that way, I cant be held responsible for their intelligence level.

okay, basically i'm just saying your statements are absolutely pointless... an emg is a hot pickup as far as everybody is concerned and it's totally irrelivant whether they use a preamp to boost the signal, or the ceramic coils are like that. the end result is a hot pickup.

in a "rig", a jcm 800(per se) is just a low-medium gain amp.. but then you put a boost pedal like a proco rat in front of it.. walla, you have yourself a high gain "rig". not all of the gain has to come from the amp for it to be a high gain rig... hell, it could be a jc 120 with an eh double muff in front of it(meaning non of the gain comes fromt he amp) and it could be considered a high gain "rig" because somewhere in the chain, the signal has alot of gain.
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Old 2005-02-22, 00:10
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okay, basically i'm just saying your statements are absolutely pointless... an emg is a hot pickup as far as everybody is concerned and it's totally irrelivant whether they use a preamp to boost the signal, or the ceramic coils are like that. the end result is a hot pickup.

in a "rig", a jcm 800(per se) is just a low-medium gain amp.. but then you put a boost pedal like a proco rat in front of it.. walla, you have yourself a high gain "rig". not all of the gain has to come from the amp for it to be a high gain rig... hell, it could be a jc 120 with an eh double muff in front of it(meaning non of the gain comes fromt he amp) and it could be considered a high gain "rig" because somewhere in the chain, the signal has alot of gain.


your analogy proves BLS's point.

EMG PICKUP = not hot
EMG pickup + preamp boost = hot
JCM 800 = medium gain amp
JCM 800 + boost pedal = high gain



just playing devil's advocate here...
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Old 2005-02-22, 17:21
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Well, both xdx and BLS do have points, but they're obviously rhetorical to state, at best. I think someone here just hates EMG's
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Old 2005-02-22, 23:39
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Yeh, I dislike EMG's but my opinion is far from biased because I'm most likely the ONLY person on these forums that has two of the same guitar, one with Dimarzio Passives, the other with EMG's.

Were all stating facts, if you refused to gain any knowledge from it then to bad for you.
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Yeh, I dislike EMG's but my opinion is far from biased because I'm most likely the ONLY person on these forums that has two of the same guitar, one with Dimarzio Passives, the other with EMG's.


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Old 2005-02-22, 23:58
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That plywood guitar isent quite the same as your Mahogany bodied Dime..
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That plywood guitar isent quite the same as your Mahogany bodied Dime..


Still, you get the idea.
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Not really, I have two RG7620's.. only difference is the color and year, the black one was made in 98' the red in 99'
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your analogy proves BLS's point.

EMG PICKUP = not hot
EMG pickup + preamp boost = hot
JCM 800 = medium gain amp
JCM 800 + boost pedal = high gain



just playing devil's advocate here...

are you retarded?

i guess this isnt really as simple as i thought, i was hoping you guys were a little brighter than that. i can't really think of a much more simple way to word it.

an emg is hot BECAUSE OF THE PREAMP BOOST... you can't have it any other way. it's a package deal. the fact that the pickup it's self is low output is totally irrelivant BECAUSE it has the preamp. the preamp isnt just something you buy separately, it's part of the emg.
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