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Old 2005-01-17, 17:29
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Actually, my teacher being a jazzman to the core, asked me to bring a song in so he could find out what blastbeats sound like. I was completely lost as to which song to bring, and my friend borrowed the only Morbid Angel album I own. Who, in your opinion, plays the best sounding blast beats?
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Old 2005-01-17, 20:59
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whatever you give your teacher dont give him something that has triggered blasts beats, id say napalm death scum album, just the rawest of the raw,single pedal i believe<havent heard that album in years> flip his wig

oh yeah, if he cant do it,cant blast, cant really thrash fast, find a new guy, there are drum teachers who teach more of a metal style and listen to grind, so on. some teachers are dorks who assume cause they know the triple stroke roll or some shit, metal is all a piece of cake and they havent listened to anything faster and more recent than "and justice for all".
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Old 2005-01-18, 02:14
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Derek Roddy or something by Flo I would suggest Black seeds of vengence by Nile (the song) would be good or perhaps Slit your Guts by Cryptopsy

that would be what I do
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Old 2005-01-18, 05:16
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Too late. I gave him MA's Covenant and Astriaal's Renascent Misantropy. Besides, my teacher doesn't wear a wig. In fact, my teacher kicks a lot of ass, just not with my kind of music. Actually, he was into punk in his youth...
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Old 2005-01-18, 12:29
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thats cause blast beats are so cool




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Old 2005-01-18, 14:33
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the "flip his wig" comment is kinda an expression here in the states......not a literal flipping of the man's rugpiece

i took lessons for a year about 12 years ago from a berekely music grad in the boston area<jazz/fusion buff,50,000$drum major education, music degree, alot of people you see in modern drummer had spent some time there at some point in thier career as teachers and studio dorks or students>and im still trying to unlearn most of the shit that i was drilled with and he was preaching as scripture,he could only express a burning hatred for thrash metal and hardcore, grind wasnt even known then to these guys, if you like your teacher,cool, just beware the fire and brimstone of a guy with a music degree,30 years old,still lives with his mom, owns a 40 piece drumset, never toured in his fucking life, let alone under an indie label with no support whatsoever. i was 14 and looked up to this guy. he's still there at that little drum shop,still talking about neil pert, the "black page" by zappa, replaying horrible fusion musak noone listens to....
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Old 2005-01-18, 18:41
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Well, some people are just assholes. My teacher respects all music and has an amazing ethic and he never went to uni, he's only going this year, and so did my classroom music teacher who had a formal education. The teacher before him wasn't as tolerant and considered some genres of music to be unworthy. My violin teacher sucked, eventhough she had a full formal education she made my violin screech when she played it. Some metalheads are utter asshole elitists aswell, it depends on the person.
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Old 2005-01-18, 19:57
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would it depend on the person if you took karate lessons from a guy who's never fought a fight in his life, would it depend on the person if you learn any trade by people who arent journeyman, those whom have applied experience instead of credentials. whos word would you trust more?, a historian or an archeologist, in thier given field. would it depend if they were a nice person? one guy actual digs the dirt, anylizes the artifacts first-hand, the other reads about the people who dig, sees the artifacts in a museum

at 14 i couldn't make the distinction between a proffesional and an armchair general,a weekend warrior, and yeah i learned how to play basic beats but all the advice, all the technique was total shit and i suffered, i had to relearn all the theory, all the technique i embraced with this man ive since done about the exact opposite, if its elitist to warn others than so be it, im older now and if i want to learn something i take seriously i want the most qualified mofo available, not just a nice person, i've learn to cook japanese food under a vicious tyrant chef, endured his scorn, unending criticism,he is one son of a bitch,but the fucker knows his shit, hes been doing it most of his life, and i respect him very much

i'm also taking ju-jitsu,kickboxing lessons to unlearn all the years of useless strip-mall karate,wing-chung i experienced at a young age, which falls under a similiar principle

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Old 2005-01-21, 18:02
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that last post was not enough, i only feel compelled now to specifically explain what the bad things was i was taught, and have since unlearned
my old drum teacher is a studio drummer whos dedication and loyalty to music can be purchased,bought by the highest bidder,irregardless if said drummer likes or enjoys the musical endeaver, money is the main motivation, not the music, i heard his "projects" all complete shit, treats his main band like a side project, his"studio work"like a job

rudiments:
not palming the stick,rudiments straight from the fingers, i was berated when i arched my wrist, berated if my thumb and forefinger clamped together

drilled with triple stroke rolls,flam taps, triple ratamacues within this first year of lessons, these things are good to know,good to learn later on, but they are drumline rudiments and are useless to a beginner, and just show-off moves when you actually do know them,unless you can make a wierd blast beat with them,irrelevent untill far later

theory and music taste:
too much emphisis on rudiments, makes your beats lack in degree, playing tempos good for rudiments not for potential songs, enjoying fusion shit noone cares about, streching out simple beats to flub rudiments inside the measure, odd counts that suck, done in bassanova, playing quiet rudiments<jazz is dead, lets move on here>ghost noting entire fills, double bass drumming that only enhances fills, drum solo theory, stick flipping<i wont even bother to explain>,the magic and mystery of military grip,etc etc etc

beats
swinging your rock beats,over emphisis on triplet based improvisation while playing rock,shuffle beats<why not learn swing/jazzbeats instead>,the dreaded bassanova claves< i hated that shit,but i guess necessary>,linear beats<that one sound at a time shit,fusion crap>,ghost notes<only something a studio drummer cares about, the stupidest,dummest shit ever>, nice things like the heel/toe kick,irrelevent to a beginner,usually ends up being ghost notes when surrounded by fullstacks anyway

my drum teachers preferences towards gear:
7a or anything under a 5a guaged stick, lighter stick=quiet, not able to be heard surrounded by fullstacks<seems many, almost all triggered drummers use these sticks........aaaarrrrrgghhh....i'll leave it at that>, 90 piece drumsets consisting of "accessories" cowbells,chimes,splash cymbal trees, roto toms,conga drums.......i cannot explain enough my hatred of spash cymbals or anything under a 14"diameter, roto toms and congas are only cool while falling from a very high drop only to land on pavement. drumracks......cool if you have tons of cymbals and utilize them well, but they have one very serious flaw....A>crazed fan collides with drumset...tipping the huge rack to one side<your fucked>...B>crazed fan collides with drumset,falls backwards still holding the rack<happened recently in providence>.........

shit left out:
left hand leads,beats,drumfill.....absolutely necessary, the earlier you drill the better in the longrun
making sure your single stroke rolls,fill and beats can go fast,doing them as fast as you can,building endurance,sharpening precision. this is fundemental for thrash and grind, the very building blocks, which this guy hated and refuted constantly
playing along with songs on the radio at full blast, doesnt matter what it is, fun and worthwhile in the beginner stages, i constantly did the look and read way which sucks
no advice about recording, micking,touring,merchendizing,booking,good vans,dealing with mechanics<mark these words>when your miles from home,the evil of labels,the evil of promoters,managers,venues,bouncers, psychotic fans.granted i was young but this guy didnt even have cool wars stories, no real road experience, these obstacles are the true test of a musician, in my view

sorry for the long post, sorry to drag this one out but its been on my mind lately, i also apologize about the last post on this being kinda crude
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Old 2005-01-30, 14:46
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I cant blast beat for shit, so I just do the old skool thrash beat (Bass+Hi Hat, Snare) really fast but every time I hit the snare, I make sure my left kick goes with the snare at the same time. Also, my doube bass is as bad as it is, what I do in order to cover up that I cant do double bass for a long time, is that I do all of fills and jazz beats in middle of a death metal song. Also I do excercises everyday, like whenever I do homework, I tie weights on my calf area and do air double bass.
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Old 2005-02-15, 17:31
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I've only been drumming for about a year but i have found that playing "true/kult" Black metal blast beats (also applys to death metal) its easier to play with your wrists relaxed (otherwise the tension in your arm may cause you to cramp up) holding the stick mainly between your index finger & thumb allowing a "bounce" off the snare & using your middle finger to tap/lever the stick back down to the snare just hard enough to get a good snap back.(the same style apply's for the hihat), your stick will bounce off a little if executed properly with minimal hand/wrist movement. If you can master this techniqe (study Hellhammers drumming on the Mayhem DVD for the best example of this).
Also to begin with if you match each hihat & snare hit to each kick of your bass drums/drum pedal you will build up that "stupidly necro" sound you hear on most "true" B.M records.

to start with:
H-x---x---x---x---x---x---x---x-
S o---o---o---o---o---o---o---o-
B-L---R---L---R---L---R---L---R-

to work up to
H-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-
S-ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo-
B-LRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRL-

Terror & Blasphemy

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Old 2005-03-15, 03:00
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none have mensioned the blastbeat when you play the hh and the bd once and the snare second and loose and do it fucking fast as hell
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Old 2005-03-15, 03:59
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Check my sig for the 101 of blastbeats.

Tyrian Xort dude, what you described as the wrist technique is quite commmon. I use it, if I didn't I'd have to use 7A sticks. Tension is bad people, be lazy and find ways to do things with as little effort as possible! GRAR GRAR

Low Tech, the problem you had with your teacher is that he was biased, therefore he had bad ethic. In reality, you should bring CD's to your teacher and ask him to pull them apart and tell you what's going on and teach you exersises to achieve that, just to show him what you want to play.

If you hate your teachers - FUCKING DITCH THEM. Find a better one, teach yourself, learn from tapes, sell your soul, anything, but don't stick with a bad teacher! They might be a genius on drums and play technical crap that can make you orgasm over and over, but they won't teach you good ethic and you'll be left out in the cold with that, not knowing how to treat a band or deal with auditions (being auditioned and hosting them), musical tolerance (learning from other music genres that you mightn't listen to too often), and they will bias you against certain gear that you might like.

I don't know why everyone dislikes heel/toe, it's fucking great, makes your ankle so much smoother when you play heel up aswell and you can do some interesting sounding crap with it.

For now, I'm still on my lenghty road to blasting and then single foot blasting. My father promised me a double kicker and now he's refusing to buy it. I wish I could kill him and claim the life insurance and spend it all on my kit!
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