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Old 2004-12-31, 18:15
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well the dummer is names mike portnoy maybe thats why
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Old 2004-12-31, 18:23
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Tom Morelo(sp?). I wish I had a $10,000 budget to buy effects with...


10,000? Hardly! He only uses 5 pedals - which isn't much. Espically for the huge assortments of sounds he reproduces (bagpipes, harmonicas, turn tables, etc).

1. Dunlop Crybaby (70$)
2. Digitech Whammy (200$)
3. Boss DD-2 (190$)
4. DOD EQ (50$)
5. Ibanez Flanger (60$)

Thats about 570$. Alot of his sound though comes from his guitar (which he personally tweaked) or outside influences (wrenches, steel picks, feedback, etc.)

Tom Morello may not be a shred master, but he knows his music. He certainly is one of the most innovated guitar players of our day.
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Old 2004-12-31, 18:36
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Tom Morrello is better at playing his effects than playing his guitar.
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Old 2004-12-31, 19:11
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10,000? Hardly! He only uses 5 pedals - which isn't much. Espically for the huge assortments of sounds he reproduces (bagpipes, harmonicas, turn tables, etc).

1. Dunlop Crybaby (70$)
2. Digitech Whammy (200$)
3. Boss DD-2 (190$)
4. DOD EQ (50$)
5. Ibanez Flanger (60$)

Thats about 570$. Alot of his sound though comes from his guitar (which he personally tweaked) or outside influences (wrenches, steel picks, feedback, etc.)

Tom Morello may not be a shred master, but he knows his music. He certainly is one of the most innovated guitar players of our day.


I'm not a RATM fan and probably never will be, but I'd be hard pressed to refute anything Darko said. Morello really is one of the most creative guitarists of our time, and definitely a true innovator. I'm not a fan of what he does, but I'd be lying if I said it wasn't somewhat impressive.
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Old 2004-12-31, 19:59
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I mean no disrespect, well maybe I do. I'm probably gonna get flamed for this one.

Euronymous - From all the shit I hear from the 9rim tr00 n3cr0 kvlt, that he was Mayhem's best guitarist, I honestly thought he was kind of boring as a guitarist.

Slash - He's awesome on the guitar, but good lord, a hear the same amount of hyping up as I hear about Euronymous. "He's the best ever! BLAH BLAH!"

Munky and Head - Puts a heavy element in Korn, to cover up that bass slapping shit Fieldy does, I hate that freaking crap. Really simple guitar playing though. I'll give credit to whichever one of them that played the guitar solo from Another Brick in the Wall, in Korn's cover.

Daron Malakian - I've only heard 2 guitar solos (i think) from him.

Kirk Hammet & James Hetfield - self-explanatory
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Don't you people ever get bored of being close-minded and idiotic? Once Dylan gave his explanation, I figured nobody but a dumbass would argue with it. Thanks for proving me right, CC.

There's more to life than being able to shred. Listen to what you say when you criticize Yngwie and apply it to everything in your life. Or become an insufferable bore on the lead guitar.

Also, whoever said Hetfield's greatest accomplishment was a lead: way to miss the point. He's an important rhythm player. Much more important than probably any thrash lead player. In general, lead gets more attention, because flash is always more attractive than substance, but rhythm playing is everything. The fact that some bands can be perfectly functional without lead playing should prove this.

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I don't think Hetfield is that overrated, he's just an arrogant cunt.
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Going back a page: Robert Vigna over-rated? The guy is fucking unique.
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Old 2005-01-01, 11:56
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So is Trey, John. Obviously all, or most, of these guitarists are going to be good and distinctive; otherwise they wouldn't have been singled out and praised so frequently we have to comment on how overrated they are, and we'd see a lot more of names like Munky, Wes Borland, Mark Tremonti, and whoever else was popular and overpraised back when we last paid attention to pop culture. At some point, personal preference is going to come in and play the decisive role unless you come up with a mathematically-weighted formula by which all guitarists can be measured. But, again, that would be weighted by the personal preferences of the person who came up with it.
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I fail to see what is so damn unique about Vigna. I am certainly an Immolation fan, and he is good, but he's just not a mindblowing guitarist for me. I'm not going to go so far as to say he's overrated, that would be utter bollocks.

And I am saying this not having heard the Failures For Gods album, so if I'm missing some really crazy shit, please let me know. I figure I am.
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I think the appealing quality of Vigna, or at least for me, is that he's got a very distinct sound.
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And I am saying this not having heard the Failures For Gods album, so if I'm missing some really crazy shit, please let me know. I figure I am.


thats the only album i have. its good.
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So is Trey, John...


I love Trey. On some days I really could listen to nothing but Morbid Angel. Of course, on other days I could listen to nothing but Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, or Wesley Willis, so maybe I'm just weird.

I disagree about Hetfield not being overrated. He is generally heralded as the greatest metal rhythm guitarist ever, and he wasn't even the best thrash rhythm guy back when he was actually good. Every guitar magazine verbally fellates him. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't take those guitar magazines seriously, but the general public perception, as evidenced in those shitty magazines, is that he is or was the best. He wasn't even close to the best. Therefore, he is (or was) overrated.
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Old 2005-01-01, 19:37
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I didn't say he wasn't overrated, just that judging him by his lead playing ability is stupid. I've thought he was overrated since the day I first heard Anthrax. Though I think at least a part of that is due to the fact that his influence on metal players to come after him is huge enough that he's basically been canonized. Influence should count for something, even if it is the reason he's so overpraised.

I also love Trey. I love guitarists whose fingers I can hear.
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I disagree about Hetfield not being overrated. He is generally heralded as the greatest metal rhythm guitarist ever.



SCOTT FUCKIN' IAN!!!

Trey is fucking sick, but 90% of his leads are just the same.
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I've noticed Jon Donais getting a lot of praise for his guitar work, while I do think he's has outstanding skill, his style is very ripped off
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Oh and for non metal...Jimi Hendrix...I can't figure out what the fuck is so special about that guy...
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Old 2005-01-02, 12:30
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We're all swimming in his wake. Compare him to other players from the same era: They were all playing the amplified acoustic guitar. He was playing the electric guitar. Is he the best player of all time? Certainly not, and in that sense he is overrated. But it's hard to think of someone else who left the same mark on electric guitar playing. And, like I just said, the sheer impact of the playing should count for something, even if it does cause people to include manufactured ideas of skill.

Jon Donais isn't incredible, but I haven't heard him praised much. I really, really dislike Shadows Fall, but I wouldn't have included him in this. Then again, I haven't read a guitar or metal magazine for about four years.

This thread more or less exists so everyone can agree on Hammett. It's not his fault that he's somehow become a standard of what 'good' is (for some reason I keep seeing 'He's no Kirk, but he's pretty good,' or 'His style is all right, but compare him to a player like Kirk Hamster and you'll see why it's all hype' in the inevitable guitarist vs other guitarist debates, even those he isn't included in), but he only goes so far towards living up to his legend. And, of course, I can only be annoyed at someone whose attitude towards playing over a career is 'Well, I started out playing the pentatonic box because it's where I was comfortable, but I eventually expanded into modal playing' - which is a good thing, since it's never a bad idea to give yourself different options within your own style - 'but now I'm back to the pentatonic box.' What the fuck? That's Metallica's unfortunate career: they started out with something that was simple and familiar, expanded to what is, in retrospect, a breathtaking degree (the rest of metal does not catch up to the arrangement of late 80's Metallica for years, though it probably could have), then, right at the (as it turned out) height of their compositional complexity, decide that a well-arranged song is 'too anal' and return to familiar rock patterns. Even though Kirk had no creative input, he followed the exact same pattern. That's not to say that Metallica doesn't have some awesome lead playing; it's just that, the way you hear about it, you expect Hammett's playing to be an all night acrobatic fuck session, and it turns out it's a good hand job: nice, but you could do it yourself without all the bullshit.

Plus, he has no vibrato. That is really annoying. Even Tony Iommi has vibrato, and he has no fingertips. Where is Kirk's vibrato?
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